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1. 03:29 AM - Re: Landing the 701 (Peter Thomson)
2. 04:40 AM - Flying the 701 (Peter Thomson)
3. 07:20 AM - Re: Landing the 701 (Paul Tipton)
4. 08:02 AM - Re: Landing the 701 (n85ae)
5. 05:55 PM - Need recommendations for work table height (stepinwolf)
6. 06:26 PM - Re: Need recommendations for work table height (Ryan Vechinski)
7. 06:42 PM - Re: Need recommendations for work table height (n801bh@netzero.com)
8. 07:09 PM - Re: Need recommendations for work table height (Terry Phillips)
9. 08:02 PM - Re: Need recommendations for work table height (Larry Hursh)
10. 09:11 PM - Re: Work table fix. (raymondj)
11. 11:45 PM - Re: Need recommendations for work table ()
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| Subject: | Re: Landing the 701 |
I put my VG's under the elevator (www.stolspeed.com) and find I can hold the
nosewheel off the ground on a fast taxi.
Occasionally I get the nosewheel plunking down or a 3pter, but most usually
it is mains first and then the nosewheel in orderly fashion.
It took a while to get there as 701 quite different to the feel of larger GA
a/c, etc.
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http://www.acomodata.com/zenair701/flying.htm
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| Subject: | Re: Landing the 701 |
You are right in holding power to keep the nose off. Without power you
just sort of land and park it at the same time. Makes for a short
landing though.
I fly my approach at 55 MPH with 3,000 RPM to touchdown. It help makes
the squeaky landings. If I am flying at gross wt. my RPM will be as
high as 3,200. This makes for a more "conventional" landing.
It doesn't sound like you have anything wrong with your rigging.
I had a jet jockey who had a 701 tell me this was the hardest plane to
land he had ever flown. I haven't had that experience. Maybe it is
because I don't have that much experience to compare it to. I'm having
a blast with mine.
Paul Tipton
321PT
180 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Landing the 701 |
My tailwheel instructor claimed the absolute hardest pilots he ever taught
to fly light planes were Jet Jockeys .... :)
I've mostly flown tailwheel for the last eight years, seems like some tail
wheel instruction my help. I realize before anybody jumps on me, that
tri-gear 701's are totally different. However I became a much better
tri-gear pilot after I got my tailwheel endorsement.
I think a lot has to do with learning to land the airplane 3-pt, and also
how to do wheel landings helps put you much more in tune with landing
speed and aircraft attitude.
One thing that I have noticed flying with a some tri-gear drivers is
that some are not very adept at carrying the nose during landing and
tend to land flat. Which if you do in a taildragger will lead to an enormous bounce.
Not saying it's a cure, but it's good instruction that might help.
Ok, flame away :)
regards,
Jeff
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| Subject: | Need recommendations for work table height |
The title say's it all,
I am in the process of building my work table, and would like to know the height
of the various tables, people are using.
Height is not an issue, but I don't particularly want to spend hours, bent over
something too low either.
Thanks to all those who will take the time to respond to my concern
Bob the 701 scratch
Three Rivers, Quebec
# 7-7143
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| Subject: | Need recommendations for work table height |
My table is at 37 inches, and I have no problems. I have not built the fus
elage, though.
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: Need recommendations for work table height> F
rom: robert.pelland@cgocable.ca> Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 17:54:36 -0700> To:
"stepinwolf" <robert.pelland@cgocable.ca>> > The title say's it all, > > I
am in the process of building my work table, and would like to know the he
ight of the various tables, people are using.> > Height is not an issue, bu
t I don't particularly want to spend hours, bent over something too low eit
her.> > Thanks to all those who will take the time to respond to my concern
> > Bob the 701 scratch> Three Rivers, Quebec> # 7-7143> > do not archive>
> --------> Live each day, as if it was your last> > > > > Read this topic
online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=182046#182046
=========> > >
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| Subject: | Re: Need recommendations for work table height |
I am 6 foot tall, I made my table 32" high and it worked for 98% of the
build. I did need a small step ladder when I was fitting the top skin of
the fuselage. The key is to get it as flat and straight as possible. af
ter all this is the foundation your baby will rise from..
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "stepinwolf" <robert.pelland@cgocable.ca> wrote:
ocable.ca>
The title say's it all,
I am in the process of building my work table, and would like to know th
e height of the various tables, people are using.
Height is not an issue, but I don't particularly want to spend hours, be
nt over something too low either.
Thanks to all those who will take the time to respond to my concern
Bob the 701 scratch
Three Rivers, Quebec
# 7-7143
do not archive
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Live each day, as if it was your last
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| Subject: | Re: Need recommendations for work table height |
Bob
I built mine at 31.5" (from the high end of the sloping garage floor) and
that works fine for me, at least up to wings. But I would second what Ben
said about making it flat and level. I was in a hurry and got the
straightest 2x6x12's I could find at the local Lowes, because engineered
beams were special order out here in western Mont. The 2x6's weren't
straight enough--the table is probably 3/8" (9-mm) low at one end. I've
been paying for my lack of patience ever since.
Older and wiser.
Terry
At 05:54 PM 5/8/2008 -0700, you wrote:
><robert.pelland@cgocable.ca>
>
>The title say's it all,
>
>I am in the process of building my work table, and would like to know the
>height of the various tables, people are using.
>
>Height is not an issue, but I don't particularly want to spend hours, bent
>over something too low either.
>
>Thanks to all those who will take the time to respond to my concern
>
>Bob the 701 scratch
>Three Rivers, Quebec
># 7-7143
>
>do not archive
>
>--------
>Live each day, as if it was your last
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=182046#182046
>
>
Terry Phillips
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons
are done; working on the wings
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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| Subject: | Re: Need recommendations for work table height |
Bob
I built mine at 31.5" (from the high end of the sloping garage floor) and
that works fine for me, at least up to wings. But I would second what Ben
said about making it flat and level. I was in a hurry and got the
straightest 2x6x12's I could find at the local Lowes, because engineered
beams were special order out here in western Mont. The 2x6's weren't
straight enough--the table is probably 3/8" (9-mm) low at one end. I've
been paying for my lack of patience ever since.
Older and wiser.
Terry
Terry and Bob,
All is not lost if you should decide to try to get the table more level. If
you can, remove the plywood or OSB from the top. Take a taunt string on each
2 X 6 one at a time and find all the high spots. Remove those high spots with
a wood plane. Keep checking the straightness with your tight string as you work
the high spots down. Run the string opposite corners to see if if you are
level across at the "X" or dead center. If the string just touches in the center
board as it touches each corner, you should be more level than you are right
now. Once you get the 2 x 6's level, reattach the top and then go for the
level of the entire table. Most all garage floors have a certain amount of tip
to them, to allow water to run off your vehicle and out the garage door. Put
shims under the table as needed to get the entire table level all around. At
this point, some people literally anchor the entire table and shims to the garage
floor using adhesive. I think you will find
a vast improvement on how you next kit turns out for you. I wouldn't want to
keep fighting it or "paying the high price" with a wing that has twist in it or
worse yet, is warped and not straight. You could be setting yourself up for
a bigger problem later on. We don't need to read about another pilot going down.
If anyone has a better way of helping these gentleman out than what I suggested,
PLEASE jump in here and comment! Even I can stand to learn a better way of
doing this!
Regards and happy building!
Larry Hursh
CH601XL (Building from Kits - Just beginning)
(N601LL Reserved)
SkyriderSBN@Yahoo.com
Keep your eyes skyward - always!
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| Subject: | Re: Work table fix. |
Greetings all,
THE FOLLOWING IS SPECULATION AND HAS NOT BEEN TRIED.
I am considering building my construction table with solid foundation
and top, then a layer of self-leveling compound, and then gluing the final
top on to the dried compound. I think that will give me a level and flat
surface.
I think this technique could also be used to modify existing tables
which are out of line.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
"Hope for the best,
but prepare for the worst."
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Hursh" <skyridersbn@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Need recommendations for work table height
> Terry Phillips <ttp44@rkymtn.net> wrote: --> Zenith701801-List message
> posted by: Terry Phillips
>
> Bob
>
> I built mine at 31.5" (from the high end of the sloping garage floor) and
> that works fine for me, at least up to wings. But I would second what Ben
> said about making it flat and level. I was in a hurry and got the
> straightest 2x6x12's I could find at the local Lowes, because engineered
> beams were special order out here in western Mont. The 2x6's weren't
> straight enough--the table is probably 3/8" (9-mm) low at one end. I've
> been paying for my lack of patience ever since.
>
> Older and wiser.
>
> Terry
>
>
> Terry and Bob,
>
> All is not lost if you should decide to try to get the table more level.
> If you can, remove the plywood or OSB from the top. Take a taunt string
> on each 2 X 6 one at a time and find all the high spots. Remove those
> high spots with a wood plane. Keep checking the straightness with your
> tight string as you work the high spots down. Run the string opposite
> corners to see if if you are level across at the "X" or dead center. If
> the string just touches in the center board as it touches each corner, you
> should be more level than you are right now. Once you get the 2 x 6's
> level, reattach the top and then go for the level of the entire table.
> Most all garage floors have a certain amount of tip to them, to allow
> water to run off your vehicle and out the garage door. Put shims under
> the table as needed to get the entire table level all around. At this
> point, some people literally anchor the entire table and shims to the
> garage floor using adhesive. I think you will find
> a vast improvement on how you next kit turns out for you. I wouldn't want
> to keep fighting it or "paying the high price" with a wing that has twist
> in it or worse yet, is warped and not straight. You could be setting
> yourself up for a bigger problem later on. We don't need to read about
> another pilot going down.
>
> If anyone has a better way of helping these gentleman out than what I
> suggested, PLEASE jump in here and comment! Even I can stand to learn a
> better way of doing this!
>
> Regards and happy building!
>
>
> Larry Hursh
> CH601XL (Building from Kits - Just beginning)
> (N601LL Reserved)
> SkyriderSBN@Yahoo.com
>
> Keep your eyes skyward - always!
> Do Not Archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Need recommendations for work table |
More about worktables:
Although not a requirement to have the table exactly horizontally level
(only flat is required)
it helps to be able to use a water level. This later is true as well
when assembling the rest
of your aircraft when the upper back of the 701 airframe is the
reference surface.
Three more helpful things:
- use a cheap or sacrificial work table surface so you can drill into it
without remorse
- clecos can be used with ad-hoc holes drilled in the table surface to
keep anything in place
- having a few inches of table edge overhang really helps to clamp down
anything you work on
regards
Max
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