---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith701801-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 05/08/08: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:29 AM - Re: Landing the 701 (Peter Thomson) 2. 04:40 AM - Flying the 701 (Peter Thomson) 3. 07:20 AM - Re: Landing the 701 (Paul Tipton) 4. 08:02 AM - Re: Landing the 701 (n85ae) 5. 05:55 PM - Need recommendations for work table height (stepinwolf) 6. 06:26 PM - Re: Need recommendations for work table height (Ryan Vechinski) 7. 06:42 PM - Re: Need recommendations for work table height (n801bh@netzero.com) 8. 07:09 PM - Re: Need recommendations for work table height (Terry Phillips) 9. 08:02 PM - Re: Need recommendations for work table height (Larry Hursh) 10. 09:11 PM - Re: Work table fix. (raymondj) 11. 11:45 PM - Re: Need recommendations for work table () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:29:03 AM PST US From: "Peter Thomson" Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Landing the 701 I put my VG's under the elevator (www.stolspeed.com) and find I can hold the nosewheel off the ground on a fast taxi. Occasionally I get the nosewheel plunking down or a 3pter, but most usually it is mains first and then the nosewheel in orderly fashion. It took a while to get there as 701 quite different to the feel of larger GA a/c, etc. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:40:33 AM PST US From: "Peter Thomson" Subject: Zenith701801-List: Flying the 701 http://www.acomodata.com/zenair701/flying.htm ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:20:07 AM PST US From: "Paul Tipton" Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Landing the 701 You are right in holding power to keep the nose off. Without power you just sort of land and park it at the same time. Makes for a short landing though. I fly my approach at 55 MPH with 3,000 RPM to touchdown. It help makes the squeaky landings. If I am flying at gross wt. my RPM will be as high as 3,200. This makes for a more "conventional" landing. It doesn't sound like you have anything wrong with your rigging. I had a jet jockey who had a 701 tell me this was the hardest plane to land he had ever flown. I haven't had that experience. Maybe it is because I don't have that much experience to compare it to. I'm having a blast with mine. Paul Tipton 321PT 180 hours ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:02:04 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Landing the 701 From: "n85ae" My tailwheel instructor claimed the absolute hardest pilots he ever taught to fly light planes were Jet Jockeys .... :) I've mostly flown tailwheel for the last eight years, seems like some tail wheel instruction my help. I realize before anybody jumps on me, that tri-gear 701's are totally different. However I became a much better tri-gear pilot after I got my tailwheel endorsement. I think a lot has to do with learning to land the airplane 3-pt, and also how to do wheel landings helps put you much more in tune with landing speed and aircraft attitude. One thing that I have noticed flying with a some tri-gear drivers is that some are not very adept at carrying the nose during landing and tend to land flat. Which if you do in a taildragger will lead to an enormous bounce. Not saying it's a cure, but it's good instruction that might help. Ok, flame away :) regards, Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=181914#181914 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:55:39 PM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Need recommendations for work table height From: "stepinwolf" The title say's it all, I am in the process of building my work table, and would like to know the height of the various tables, people are using. Height is not an issue, but I don't particularly want to spend hours, bent over something too low either. Thanks to all those who will take the time to respond to my concern Bob the 701 scratch Three Rivers, Quebec # 7-7143 do not archive -------- Live each day, as if it was your last Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=182046#182046 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:35 PM PST US From: Ryan Vechinski Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Need recommendations for work table height My table is at 37 inches, and I have no problems. I have not built the fus elage, though. > Subject: Zenith701801-List: Need recommendations for work table height> F rom: robert.pelland@cgocable.ca> Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 17:54:36 -0700> To: "stepinwolf" > > The title say's it all, > > I am in the process of building my work table, and would like to know the he ight of the various tables, people are using.> > Height is not an issue, bu t I don't particularly want to spend hours, bent over something too low eit her.> > Thanks to all those who will take the time to respond to my concern > > Bob the 701 scratch> Three Rivers, Quebec> # 7-7143> > do not archive> > --------> Live each day, as if it was your last> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=182046#182046 =========> > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:42:57 PM PST US From: "n801bh@netzero.com" Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Need recommendations for work table height I am 6 foot tall, I made my table 32" high and it worked for 98% of the build. I did need a small step ladder when I was fitting the top skin of the fuselage. The key is to get it as flat and straight as possible. af ter all this is the foundation your baby will rise from.. do not archive Ben Haas N801BH www.haaspowerair.com -- "stepinwolf" wrote: ocable.ca> The title say's it all, I am in the process of building my work table, and would like to know th e height of the various tables, people are using. Height is not an issue, but I don't particularly want to spend hours, be nt over something too low either. Thanks to all those who will take the time to respond to my concern Bob the 701 scratch Three Rivers, Quebec # 7-7143 do not archive -------- Live each day, as if it was your last Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=182046#182046 ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== ======================== =========== _____________________________________________________________ Security Camera for your small business. Click Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2221/fc/Ioyw6i4tTf9Zebhr5bSVZ6UjC hqfOJruzIy1xLM2ktvjs2PyJapXGS/?count=1234567890 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:09:44 PM PST US From: Terry Phillips Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Need recommendations for work table height Bob I built mine at 31.5" (from the high end of the sloping garage floor) and that works fine for me, at least up to wings. But I would second what Ben said about making it flat and level. I was in a hurry and got the straightest 2x6x12's I could find at the local Lowes, because engineered beams were special order out here in western Mont. The 2x6's weren't straight enough--the table is probably 3/8" (9-mm) low at one end. I've been paying for my lack of patience ever since. Older and wiser. Terry At 05:54 PM 5/8/2008 -0700, you wrote: > > >The title say's it all, > >I am in the process of building my work table, and would like to know the >height of the various tables, people are using. > >Height is not an issue, but I don't particularly want to spend hours, bent >over something too low either. > >Thanks to all those who will take the time to respond to my concern > >Bob the 701 scratch >Three Rivers, Quebec ># 7-7143 > >do not archive > >-------- >Live each day, as if it was your last > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=182046#182046 > > Terry Phillips ttp44~at~rkymtn.net Corvallis MT 601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons are done; working on the wings http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:02:00 PM PST US From: Larry Hursh Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Need recommendations for work table height Bob I built mine at 31.5" (from the high end of the sloping garage floor) and that works fine for me, at least up to wings. But I would second what Ben said about making it flat and level. I was in a hurry and got the straightest 2x6x12's I could find at the local Lowes, because engineered beams were special order out here in western Mont. The 2x6's weren't straight enough--the table is probably 3/8" (9-mm) low at one end. I've been paying for my lack of patience ever since. Older and wiser. Terry Terry and Bob, All is not lost if you should decide to try to get the table more level. If you can, remove the plywood or OSB from the top. Take a taunt string on each 2 X 6 one at a time and find all the high spots. Remove those high spots with a wood plane. Keep checking the straightness with your tight string as you work the high spots down. Run the string opposite corners to see if if you are level across at the "X" or dead center. If the string just touches in the center board as it touches each corner, you should be more level than you are right now. Once you get the 2 x 6's level, reattach the top and then go for the level of the entire table. Most all garage floors have a certain amount of tip to them, to allow water to run off your vehicle and out the garage door. Put shims under the table as needed to get the entire table level all around. At this point, some people literally anchor the entire table and shims to the garage floor using adhesive. I think you will find a vast improvement on how you next kit turns out for you. I wouldn't want to keep fighting it or "paying the high price" with a wing that has twist in it or worse yet, is warped and not straight. You could be setting yourself up for a bigger problem later on. We don't need to read about another pilot going down. If anyone has a better way of helping these gentleman out than what I suggested, PLEASE jump in here and comment! Even I can stand to learn a better way of doing this! Regards and happy building! Larry Hursh CH601XL (Building from Kits - Just beginning) (N601LL Reserved) SkyriderSBN@Yahoo.com Keep your eyes skyward - always! Do Not Archive --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:11:50 PM PST US From: "raymondj" Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Work table fix. Greetings all, THE FOLLOWING IS SPECULATION AND HAS NOT BEEN TRIED. I am considering building my construction table with solid foundation and top, then a layer of self-leveling compound, and then gluing the final top on to the dried compound. I think that will give me a level and flat surface. I think this technique could also be used to modify existing tables which are out of line. Raymond Julian Kettle River, MN "Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Hursh" Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 10:01 PM Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Need recommendations for work table height > Terry Phillips wrote: --> Zenith701801-List message > posted by: Terry Phillips > > Bob > > I built mine at 31.5" (from the high end of the sloping garage floor) and > that works fine for me, at least up to wings. But I would second what Ben > said about making it flat and level. I was in a hurry and got the > straightest 2x6x12's I could find at the local Lowes, because engineered > beams were special order out here in western Mont. The 2x6's weren't > straight enough--the table is probably 3/8" (9-mm) low at one end. I've > been paying for my lack of patience ever since. > > Older and wiser. > > Terry > > > Terry and Bob, > > All is not lost if you should decide to try to get the table more level. > If you can, remove the plywood or OSB from the top. Take a taunt string > on each 2 X 6 one at a time and find all the high spots. Remove those > high spots with a wood plane. Keep checking the straightness with your > tight string as you work the high spots down. Run the string opposite > corners to see if if you are level across at the "X" or dead center. If > the string just touches in the center board as it touches each corner, you > should be more level than you are right now. Once you get the 2 x 6's > level, reattach the top and then go for the level of the entire table. > Most all garage floors have a certain amount of tip to them, to allow > water to run off your vehicle and out the garage door. Put shims under > the table as needed to get the entire table level all around. At this > point, some people literally anchor the entire table and shims to the > garage floor using adhesive. I think you will find > a vast improvement on how you next kit turns out for you. I wouldn't want > to keep fighting it or "paying the high price" with a wing that has twist > in it or worse yet, is warped and not straight. You could be setting > yourself up for a bigger problem later on. We don't need to read about > another pilot going down. > > If anyone has a better way of helping these gentleman out than what I > suggested, PLEASE jump in here and comment! Even I can stand to learn a > better way of doing this! > > Regards and happy building! > > > Larry Hursh > CH601XL (Building from Kits - Just beginning) > (N601LL Reserved) > SkyriderSBN@Yahoo.com > > Keep your eyes skyward - always! > Do Not Archive > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG. 5:23 PM ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:45:51 PM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Need recommendations for work table From: More about worktables: Although not a requirement to have the table exactly horizontally level (only flat is required) it helps to be able to use a water level. This later is true as well when assembling the rest of your aircraft when the upper back of the 701 airframe is the reference surface. Three more helpful things: - use a cheap or sacrificial work table surface so you can drill into it without remorse - clecos can be used with ad-hoc holes drilled in the table surface to keep anything in place - having a few inches of table edge overhang really helps to clamp down anything you work on regards Max ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith701801-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith701801-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith701801-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith701801-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.