---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith701801-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 05/18/08: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:52 AM - Extended wing (stepinwolf) 2. 05:54 AM - Re: first flight (Tommy Walker) 3. 06:01 AM - Re: first flight (kmccune) 4. 01:33 PM - High water temps (Dan) 5. 01:51 PM - Aluminum Sources / Bending Brake... (SafeAirOne) 6. 02:24 PM - Re: Re: first flight (Gordon) 7. 03:07 PM - Re: Re: first flight (John Marzulli) 8. 03:21 PM - Re: Aluminum Sources / Bending Brake... (John Bolding) 9. 03:22 PM - Chat room reminder the the "Digesters" (George Race) 10. 05:33 PM - Re: first flight (kmccune) 11. 09:52 PM - Gas springs on 701 bubble doors? (Craig Payne) 12. 11:13 PM - Re: Gas springs on 701 bubble doors? () 13. 11:15 PM - Re: Getting started scratch building a 701. (AB_Summit) 14. 11:20 PM - Re: Gas springs on 701 bubble doors? (Craig Payne) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:52:04 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Extended wing From: "stepinwolf" I have been told that Chris Heinz has written, or approved of, a slight increase in the wingspan as a mod for the 701. Can anyone point me in the right direction to the article, mod, or where it was published. ? Thank you Bob the 701 scratch Three Rivers, Quebec # 7-7143 -------- Live each day, as if it was your last Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183637#183637 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:54:28 AM PST US From: "Tommy Walker" Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: first flight Gordon, Congratulations! Tommy Walker in Alabama N8701 57 Hrs Do Not Archive The plane flew beautifully with nothing unexpected at all to report. What a great little plane! 701 / 912ULS Gordon Lysle Vote Democrat - it's easier than working! Vote Republican - it's easier than thinking! ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:01:55 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: first flight From: "kmccune" Congrats! Any pics of your new baby? I'm sooo jealous! :D Kevin -------- Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183643#183643 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:33:41 PM PST US From: Dan Subject: Zenith701801-List: High water temps All: In my test flights of my 701 with the 912S, I have been seeing high water temps that are close to the maximum of 250 degrees F. I have cut off quite a bit of the cowl per the plans and the temperatures are still on the high side. What has been everyone else's experience and what have you done to reduce the water temps. The oil temps and pressures are fine. This engine only has 7 hours on it so far. Dan Wilde ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:51:33 PM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Aluminum Sources / Bending Brake... From: "SafeAirOne" Hello Everyone, I've just received my set of drawings for a plans-built 701, and I have my first few (of many) questions already... I'm trying to plan ahead and see that the wing spar caps are .093" thick, 90-degree extrusions. None of the common (and economical) sources sell 3/32" thick (.0938) 90-degree extrusions called for in the plans. What are all you scratch builders using for wing spar caps? I presume that the answer is 1/8" (.125) thick extrusion with an appropriate-length solid rivet. Speaking of aluminum, what is the most economical source for 6061 T6? Wicks is the cheapest I've found so far, with Airparts, Inc. coming in a close second. Are there any other sources that might be cheaper? Finally, what is the longest part I'll have to bend on a brake? I've scanned the plans and think it's the horizontal stabilizer rear spar @ 2220mm (7'-04" or so). Are there any pieces longer than this that will need to be bent in a brake? Thanks, --Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183701#183701 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:24:11 PM PST US From: "Gordon" Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: first flight I've been having a blast with this plane, attached is a photo ----- Original Message ----- From: "kmccune" Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 9:01 AM Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: first flight > > Congrats! Any pics of your new baby? > I'm sooo jealous! :D > > Kevin > > -------- > Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the > things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the > bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your > sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183643#183643 > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:07:32 PM PST US From: "John Marzulli" Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: first flight Sharp looking paint job! DO NOT ARCHIVE On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 2:23 PM, Gordon wrote: > I've been having a blast with this plane, attached is a photo > ----- Original Message ----- From: "kmccune" > To: > Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 9:01 AM > Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: first flight > > >> >> Congrats! Any pics of your new baby? >> I'm sooo jealous! :D >> >> Kevin >> >> -------- >> Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the >> things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the >> bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your >> sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183643#183643 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- John Marzulli http://701Builder.blogspot.com/ http://www.GenevieveMarzulli.org/ http://www.JohnMarzulli.net/ "Flying a plane is no different than riding a bicycle... it's just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes. -Airplane The Movie ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:21:52 PM PST US From: "John Bolding" Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Aluminum Sources / Bending Brake... Mark, Trident Metals and Yarde Metals are both Industrial Metal houses with large stocks and several warehouses, I've ALWAYS found metal cheaper there. They have sheet as well. The .093 is a special Zenith extrusion available only from them, as far as anybody has discovered to date. Weight penalty using the 1/8" is about 4# and price savings of $300 last time I figured it. Zenith approves the substitution. The longerons are a little longer but only if you want to bend them full length instead of splicing them as in the plans. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "SafeAirOne" Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 3:51 PM Subject: Zenith701801-List: Aluminum Sources / Bending Brake... > > > Hello Everyone, > > I've just received my set of drawings for a plans-built 701, and I have my > first few (of many) questions already... > > I'm trying to plan ahead and see that the wing spar caps are .093" thick, > 90-degree extrusions. None of the common (and economical) sources sell > 3/32" thick (.0938) 90-degree extrusions called for in the plans. What > are all you scratch builders using for wing spar caps? I presume that the > answer is 1/8" (.125) thick extrusion with an appropriate-length solid > rivet. > > Speaking of aluminum, what is the most economical source for 6061 T6? > Wicks is the cheapest I've found so far, with Airparts, Inc. coming in a > close second. Are there any other sources that might be cheaper? > > Finally, what is the longest part I'll have to bend on a brake? I've > scanned the plans and think it's the horizontal stabilizer rear spar @ > 2220mm (7'-04" or so). Are there any pieces longer than this that will > need to be bent in a brake? > > Thanks, > --Mark > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183701#183701 > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:22:59 PM PST US From: "George Race" Subject: Zenith701801-List: Chat room reminder the the "Digesters" Please join us for our Monday evening chat room starting around 8:00 PM Eastern Time. http://www.mykitairplane.com/chat/ George CH-701 Registered as N73EX Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:33:39 PM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: first flight From: "kmccune" Sweet! do not archive. Kevin -------- Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183742#183742 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:52:29 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: Zenith701801-List: Gas springs on 701 bubble doors? I know that some 701s have gas springs to hold the doors up and open (the "Lizard" plane for one). Does anyone have any detailed information like photos, geometry, strength of spring to use, pluses and minuses? ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:13:21 PM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Gas springs on 701 bubble doors? From: Craig, the CZAW made 701s used gas door springs and they work really nicely. There is even a -cz version of the ZAC drawing for this installation. If you want I can send some photos and more detailed part information. rgrds Max >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On >Behalf Of ext Craig Payne >Sent: 19 May, 2008 07:49 >To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith701801-List: Gas springs on 701 bubble doors? > >--> > >I know that some 701s have gas springs to hold the doors up >and open (the "Lizard" plane for one). Does anyone have any >detailed information like photos, geometry, strength of spring >to use, pluses and minuses? ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:15:50 PM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Getting started scratch building a 701. From: "AB_Summit" Hit my first rookie scratch building milestone today - my rudder is complete. (All except for a few rivets that need to be installed after the pre-cover inspection is done.) It went really well, the rudder is straight and looks pretty decent for my first try at aircraft construction. I think I'm hooked on airplane building. -------- Scratch building a 701. Rudder complete. www.mykitlog.com/rengler Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183769#183769 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:20:53 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Gas springs on 701 bubble doors? Yes, please! -- Craig craig "at" craigandjean.com Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of max.johansson@nokia.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 12:12 AM Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Gas springs on 701 bubble doors? Craig, the CZAW made 701s used gas door springs and they work really nicely. There is even a -cz version of the ZAC drawing for this installation. If you want I can send some photos and more detailed part information. rgrds Max >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com >[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On >Behalf Of ext Craig Payne >Sent: 19 May, 2008 07:49 >To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com >Subject: Zenith701801-List: Gas springs on 701 bubble doors? > >--> > >I know that some 701s have gas springs to hold the doors up >and open (the "Lizard" plane for one). Does anyone have any >detailed information like photos, geometry, strength of spring >to use, pluses and minuses? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith701801-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith701801-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith701801-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith701801-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.