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1. 01:59 AM - Re: Extended wing (rbjjr)
2. 05:10 AM - Re: High water temps (n801bh@netzero.com)
3. 05:46 AM - Re: Re: Extended wing (John Bolding)
4. 06:00 AM - Chat Room Reminder (George Race)
5. 06:48 AM - Re: Gas springs on 701 bubble doors? (Stanley Challgren)
6. 06:57 AM - 750 plans availability (MacDonald Doug)
7. 06:58 AM - Re: Gas springs on 701 bubble doors? ()
8. 07:01 AM - Re: 750 plans availability (Craig Payne)
9. 07:04 AM - Re: Re: Getting started scratch building a 701. (LarryMcFarland)
10. 07:13 AM - Re: 750 plans availability (John Bolding)
11. 07:38 AM - Re: Gas springs on 701 bubble doors? (SABorns@aol.com)
12. 07:45 AM - Re: Manual's Annoyance, again (n85ae)
13. 10:01 AM - Re: Re: Extended wing (Robert Pelland)
14. 10:46 AM - Re: Re: Extended wing (John Bolding)
15. 02:34 PM - Re: Gas springs on 701 bubble doors? (Mark Sherman)
16. 03:02 PM - Re: Gas springs on 701 bubble doors? (Craig Payne)
17. 05:29 PM - Re: 750 plans availability (rbjjr)
18. 06:56 PM - Re: 750 plans availability (kmccune)
19. 09:37 PM - Extended Wing (Dave and Pam Fisher)
20. 10:53 PM - Re : Re: 750 plans availability (jrmjoseph@videotron.ca)
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| Subject: | Re: Extended wing |
I have wondered the same. Is there such a thing, officially? Somewhere I have
seen a builder refer to his 701 as such and such "long wing" in a post, I think.
Thanks
Burke Johnson
CH701
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| Subject: | Re: High water temps |
That is too high in my book. I am guessing you are running the Evans coo
lant, all the local 912 -914 operators here found the Evans stuff adds
about 15-20 degrees over using 50- 50 water antifreeze mixture. IMHO
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- Dan <dwilde@clearwire.net> wrote:
All:
In my test flights of my 701 with the 912S, I have been seeing high
water temps that are close to the maximum of 250 degrees F. I have cut
off quite a bit of the cowl per the plans and the temperatures are still
on the high side.
What has been everyone else's experience and what have you done to
reduce the water temps. The oil temps and pressures are fine. This
engine only has 7 hours on it so far.
Dan Wilde
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| Subject: | Re: Extended wing |
Yes and no I guess, I have a COPY of a sketch that another builder was kind
enough to send me showing the spar doubler mod that makes a 12" extension
possible. The drawing is signed by Chris. I am sorry I don't remember who
sent it to me (memory is the second thing to go) but the drawing was made
for him so it hasn't been handed down too many times.
I'll be glad to send it to someone who can scan it and put it in the files .
I don't have that capability.
I ASSUME that the news that the 750 was also gonna be avail as plans built
made it to the list ??
LO&SLO John
----- Original Message -----
From: "rbjjr" <burkeandsusan@verizon.net>
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 3:58 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Extended wing
> <burkeandsusan@verizon.net>
>
> I have wondered the same. Is there such a thing, officially? Somewhere I
> have seen a builder refer to his 701 as such and such "long wing" in a
> post, I think.
>
> Thanks
>
> Burke Johnson
> CH701
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Chat Room Reminder |
Please join us for our Monday evening chat room starting around 8:00 PM
Eastern Time.
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George
CH-701 Registered as N73EX
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| Subject: | Re: Gas springs on 701 bubble doors? |
Max:
Would you please include me also in the photos and part information
for the gas door springs.
Thanks,
<challgren@mac.com>
Stan Challgren
On May 19, 2008, at 12:11 AM, max.johansson@nokia.com wrote:
>
> Craig,
>
> the CZAW made 701s used gas door springs and they work really nicely.
> There is even a -cz version of the ZAC drawing for this installation.
> If you want I can send some photos and more detailed part information.
>
> rgrds
> Max
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On
>> Behalf Of ext Craig Payne
>> Sent: 19 May, 2008 07:49
>> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Zenith701801-List: Gas springs on 701 bubble doors?
>>
>> --> <craig@craigandjean.com>
>>
>> I know that some 701s have gas springs to hold the doors up
>> and open (the "Lizard" plane for one). Does anyone have any
>> detailed information like photos, geometry, strength of spring
>> to use, pluses and minuses?
>
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| Subject: | 750 plans availability |
John, are you sure about the 750 being available as
plans? In this day and age and given what happened
with the 701 knock offs, I can't imagine Zenith
offering plans for 750. Someone mentioned this just
after Sun and Fun but I don't see it happening.
Absolutely AWESOME if it is true but I just don't see
it.
Another 750 question. Has anyone heard if the
prototype will be at Oshkosh? The pictures that were
posted on here a few months ago looked very
interesting. Interesting enough to almost make me
willing to try building a kit as opposed to scratch
building my next project. But if the 750 is going to
be available as plans, WOW, I'm in.
Lets all hope.
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch Builder
NW Ontario, Canada
working on fuel system
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> I ASSUME that the news that the 750 was also gonna
> be avail as plans built
> made it to the list ??
> LO&SLO John
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| Subject: | Gas springs on 701 bubble doors? |
No problem Stan,
will take some pics tomorrow and put them
on the photo share and will also send some
more information to you and Craig directly.
rgrds
Max
>> the CZAW made 701s used gas door springs and they work really nicely.
>> There is even a -cz version of the ZAC drawing for this installation.
>> If you want I can send some photos and more detailed part
information.
>>
>> rgrds
>> Max
>>> --> <craig@craigandjean.com>
>>> I know that some 701s have gas springs to hold the doors up and open
>>> (the "Lizard" plane for one). Does anyone have any detailed
>>> information like photos, geometry, strength of spring to use,
>>> pluses and minuses?
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| Subject: | 750 plans availability |
I spoke with Roger at the Quality Sport Planes open house about the 750. He
said they would be accepting orders for wing (and I think tail) kits at
Oshkosh.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of MacDonald
Doug
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 7:57 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: 750 plans availability
<dougsnash@yahoo.com>
John, are you sure about the 750 being available as
plans? In this day and age and given what happened
with the 701 knock offs, I can't imagine Zenith
offering plans for 750. Someone mentioned this just
after Sun and Fun but I don't see it happening.
Absolutely AWESOME if it is true but I just don't see
it.
Another 750 question. Has anyone heard if the
prototype will be at Oshkosh? The pictures that were
posted on here a few months ago looked very
interesting. Interesting enough to almost make me
willing to try building a kit as opposed to scratch
building my next project. But if the 750 is going to
be available as plans, WOW, I'm in.
Lets all hope.
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch Builder
NW Ontario, Canada
working on fuel system
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> I ASSUME that the news that the 750 was also gonna
> be avail as plans built
> made it to the list ??
> LO&SLO John
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| Subject: | Re: Getting started scratch building a 701. |
Congratulations Mr Engler,
Hang in there, you'll get it done one day.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
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AB_Summit wrote:
>
> Hit my first rookie scratch building milestone today - my rudder is complete.
(All except for a few rivets that need to be installed after the pre-cover inspection
is done.) It went really well, the rudder is straight and looks pretty
decent for my first try at aircraft construction. I think I'm hooked on airplane
building.
>
>
> --------
> Scratch building a 701.
> Rudder complete.
> www.mykitlog.com/rengler
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| Subject: | Re: 750 plans availability |
I got it from a friend of mine that spoke directly to Sebastian at Sun &
Fun about it, he'll chime in here if he wishes.
Surprised me too. Hope they don't change their mind. John
----- Original Message -----
From: "MacDonald Doug" <dougsnash@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 8:56 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: 750 plans availability
> <dougsnash@yahoo.com>
>
> John, are you sure about the 750 being available as
> plans? In this day and age and given what happened
> with the 701 knock offs, I can't imagine Zenith
> offering plans for 750. Someone mentioned this just
> after Sun and Fun but I don't see it happening.
> Absolutely AWESOME if it is true but I just don't see
> it.
>
> Another 750 question. Has anyone heard if the
> prototype will be at Oshkosh? The pictures that were
> posted on here a few months ago looked very
> interesting. Interesting enough to almost make me
> willing to try building a kit as opposed to scratch
> building my next project. But if the 750 is going to
> be available as plans, WOW, I'm in.
>
> Lets all hope.
>
> Doug MacDonald
> CH-701 Scratch Builder
> NW Ontario, Canada
> working on fuel system
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>> I ASSUME that the news that the 750 was also gonna
>> be avail as plans built
>> made it to the list ??
>> LO&SLO John
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Gas springs on 701 bubble doors? |
Max,
Would you please add me to the list for info on the gas door springs.
Thanks,
Steve
Steven Bornstein
475 E. North Broadway
Columbus, Ohio 43214
614 263-5819
In a message dated 5/19/2008 9:58:53 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
max.johansson@nokia.com writes:
--> Zenith701801-List message posted by: <max.johansson@nokia.com>
No problem Stan,
will take some pics tomorrow and put them
on the photo share and will also send some
more information to you and Craig directly.
rgrds
Max
>> the CZAW made 701s used gas door springs and they work really nicely.
>> There is even a -cz version of the ZAC drawing for this installation.
>> If you want I can send some photos and more detailed part
information.
>>
>> rgrds
>> Max
>>> --> Zenith701801-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"
>>> --> <craig@craigandjean.com>
>>> I know that some 701s have gas springs to hold the doors up and open
>>> (the "Lizard" plane for one). Does anyone have any detailed
>>> information like photos, geometry, strength of spring to use,
>>> pluses and minuses?
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| Subject: | Re: Manual's Annoyance, again |
You think so?
Here's a simple problem 6061 = 42,000 PSI tensile strength.
Strap less the material from the bolt = (approx) .063 x 1 x 42K
2646 lb.
Ok rivets, I can't remember offhand but I think it is less than 8 A5's.
A5(255 lb's shear) x 8 = 2040lb.s
150(lb.s) x 20G = 3000
200(lb.s) x 20G = 4000
Ok, the load is probably distributed across three mount point, so ...
It's not so bad. But it certainly doesn't meet my definition of "strong"
It's a minimal design.
cal.riggs wrote:
> Actually the 0.063 6061 T6 seat belt mounts have been field tested on the 701,
and they didn't fail. The material which the mount is attached will pull away
before the mount bracket pulls through the bolt hole. In the field test, the
701 hit a tree with a wing and nose planted in the ground. The pilot is alive
with no broken bones as a result of the airframe collapse at the seat belt mount.
However, the lap belt pulled through the material at the tunnel. ZAC made
a change to add a backing plate on the inside of the tunnel to strengthen the
attachment. So, there is tested confirmation that the mount brackets themselves
are fine at 0.063 6061.
>
> You can do whatever you want to strengthen the seat belt mount but to say it
is a poor design choice is unproven.
>
> Regards,
>
> Cal
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| Subject: | Re: Extended wing |
John,
Since I have not as yet started cutting up the aluminum for my 701, to
say that I would be interested in knowing exactly where you heard about
the availability of the 750 in "plans " form, would be an
understatement. Can you be more precise in your following statement and
I quote " I ASSUME that the news that the 750 was also going to be avail
as plans built made it to the list ?? unquote, regarding where you
obtained the information.
>From everything I ever heard, the exact opposite should be the case.
Bob the 701 scratch
Three Rivers, Quebec
----- Original Message -----
From: John Bolding
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: Extended wing
<jnbolding1@teleshare.net>
Yes and no I guess, I have a COPY of a sketch that another builder
was kind
enough to send me showing the spar doubler mod that makes a 12"
extension
possible. The drawing is signed by Chris. I am sorry I don't
remember who
sent it to me (memory is the second thing to go) but the drawing was
made
for him so it hasn't been handed down too many times.
I'll be glad to send it to someone who can scan it and put it in the
files .
I don't have that capability.
I ASSUME that the news that the 750 was also gonna be avail as plans
built
made it to the list ??
LO&SLO John
----- Original Message -----
From: "rbjjr" <burkeandsusan@verizon.net>
To: <zenith701801-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 3:58 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Extended wing
> <burkeandsusan@verizon.net>
>
> I have wondered the same. Is there such a thing, officially?
Somewhere I
> have seen a builder refer to his 701 as such and such "long wing" in
a
> post, I think.
>
> Thanks
>
> Burke Johnson
> CH701
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=183772#183772
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| Subject: | Re: Extended wing |
Bob, As stated in my previous post if the fellow that Sebastian made
this statement to wants to chime in here he can. this fellow called me
on my cell as soon as he stepped out of the tent at SunFun to tell me ,
I was skeptical as are you and stated the same reasons as everybody else
has. The guy that was talking to Sebastian is a very hands on kinda guy
and REALLY pays attention. No chance he misunderstood in my view, also
as I said before, hope they don't change their mind.
You now know as much about it as I do. If I say anything else I'm
making it up. LO&SLO John
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Pelland
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: Extended wing
John,
Since I have not as yet started cutting up the aluminum for my 701, to
say that I would be interested in knowing exactly where you heard about
the availability of the 750 in "plans " form, would be an
understatement. Can you be more precise in your following statement and
I quote " I ASSUME that the news that the 750 was also going to be avail
as plans built made it to the list ?? unquote, regarding where you
obtained the information.
From everything I ever heard, the exact opposite should be the case.
Bob the 701 scratch
Three Rivers, Quebec
----- Original Message -----
From: John Bolding
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: Extended wing
<jnbolding1@teleshare.net>
Yes and no I guess, I have a COPY of a sketch that another builder
was kind
enough to send me showing the spar doubler mod that makes a 12"
extension
possible. The drawing is signed by Chris. I am sorry I don't
remember who
sent it to me (memory is the second thing to go) but the drawing was
made
for him so it hasn't been handed down too many times.
I'll be glad to send it to someone who can scan it and put it in the
files .
I don't have that capability.
I ASSUME that the news that the 750 was also gonna be avail as plans
built
made it to the list ??
LO&SLO John
----- Original Message -----
From: "rbjjr" <burkeandsusan@verizon.net>
To: <zenith701801-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 3:58 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Extended wing
> <burkeandsusan@verizon.net>
>
> I have wondered the same. Is there such a thing, officially?
Somewhere I
> have seen a builder refer to his 701 as such and such "long wing"
in a
> post, I think.
>
> Thanks
>
> Burke Johnson
> CH701
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Gas springs on 701 bubble doors? |
Craig.
Go to www.ch701.com and look under BUILDERS PICTURES, you will see some
pictures and a part number of the gas spring I used.
Mark Sherman
701/912ULS
Painting
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 9:48 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Gas springs on 701 bubble doors?
> <craig@craigandjean.com>
>
> I know that some 701s have gas springs to hold the doors up and open (the
> "Lizard" plane for one). Does anyone have any detailed information like
> photos, geometry, strength of spring to use, pluses and minuses?
>
>
> --
> Checked by AVG.
> 5/18/2008 9:31 AM
>
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| Subject: | Gas springs on 701 bubble doors? |
Got them, thanks!
It appears that you have flat doors while I have bubble doors so I'll have
somewhat different geometry.
What little I saw of your plane looks very nice, BTW.
-- Craig
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Sherman
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Gas springs on 701 bubble doors?
Craig.
Go to www.ch701.com and look under BUILDERS PICTURES, you will see some
pictures and a part number of the gas spring I used.
Mark Sherman
701/912ULS
Painting
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Payne" <craig@craigandjean.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 9:48 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Gas springs on 701 bubble doors?
> <craig@craigandjean.com>
>
> I know that some 701s have gas springs to hold the doors up and open (the
> "Lizard" plane for one). Does anyone have any detailed information like
> photos, geometry, strength of spring to use, pluses and minuses?
>
>
> --
> Checked by AVG.
> 5/18/2008 9:31 AM
>
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| Subject: | Re: 750 plans availability |
Do we know anything about the flying characteristics? I mean details? I assume
it will have similar performance but are there any numbers?
I also wonder about engines. The 701 is so great but that engine is so expensive...
And then there's 20 plus years of history vs. zero. I know it's a very similar
design but this still means something.
I've finished my rudder but may consider the 750 if it's "real"...
Burke Johnson CH701
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| Subject: | Re: 750 plans availability |
The larger size may open up the engine choices a lot. But it still needs a lot
of thrust to compete with the 701 capabilities. Who knows maybe I'll be able
to buy a 701 cheap in August after EAA [Wink]
I honestly think the 701 will continue as its STOL capabilities are hard to beat
and its proven, we will just have more choices.
Kevin
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Hi ,
I asked Chris several years ago about extending each wing by a foot for
high altitude operation. He replied "If you increase the wing span you'll
have to reinforce the spar, which is heavier and cancels some of the
increased span!
To retain full strength the web doubler 7-V-2, 6SP should be t=.040
(instead .032) and longer."
He included a sketch showing 7-V-2 longer both inboard and outboard by 80
mm in each direction for a total of 160mm longer.
I've not yet done the mod but am considering it. If you're considering
longer wings I'd suggest you discuss it with the good folks at the Zenith
factory as I'm sure they'll have more current and complete information.
Dave, 701 with A80-8 Continental- still slowly building!
>From: "stepinwolf" <robert.pelland@cgocable.ca>
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>I have been told that Chris Heinz has written, or approved of, a slight
>increase
>in the wingspan as a mod for the 701.
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