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Bob. I'm at work so i can't answer in the detail you want. I bought my firewall
and some of the angles were a little off so I just altered them to fit, and thats
the point I'll make to you here. Don't worry too much about the angles yet.
After you fit it up it will be obvious what angle you need. I'm sure you will
get more specific help from someone who has built their own but this is not
an area of concern yet. You want to worry about something. Worry about the Inboard
top Wing skins...Geoff
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I cannot go with the long ones. No panel space. I need the smaller profile, like
Becker sells but everything is over a grand. I didn't realize they were so expensive.
Can anyone help with the price......Thanks Geoff
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=GHFfkxNy7Co
check out first flight of a 701
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1. 05:56 AM - Issues you encountered during initial flights of your 701
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2. 06:08 AM - Need FORM BLOCK help (stepinwolf)
3. 11:08 AM - Re: Issues you encountered during initial flights of your
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________________________________ Message 1
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Time: 05:56:37 AM PST US
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Issues you encountered during initial flights of
your
701
From: "kmccune" <kmccune@somtel.net>
I've been thinking a lot about the eventual flight testing of my 701. I
know, its
still a long way off. But how did all of you do the testing and what issue
did you find?
Thanks
Kevin
--------
Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the
things that
you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore.
Dream.
Discover.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185696#185696
________________________________ Message 2
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Time: 06:08:22 AM PST US
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Need FORM BLOCK help
From: "stepinwolf" <robert.pelland@cgocable.ca>
I am in the process of getting ready to cut the firewall form block (
7-F-1 ) and
there is something I having a problem figuring out.
Although the different angles around the perimeter that need to be followed
are
clearly marked ( ex. 18-open 10-closed, and 8-open ) nowhere is there any
mention
where the different angles start, or stop.
Since I don't have access to any correct, compete airframe, to eyeball it
from
photos, would most certainly be a hit or miss proposition on my part. Can
anyone,
using the crimp measurements shown on the plan as a guide, explain to me
exactly
where each of the angles should start or stop.
Thank's to those of you ( there most certainly will be different opinions )
who
will take the time to respond to my concerns.
Bob the 701 scratch
Three Rivers, Quebec
# 7-7143
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Time: 11:08:28 AM PST US
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Issues you encountered during initial
flights of
your 701
From: "sonar1@cox.net" <sonar1@cox.net>
Only thing I noticed 3 years ago was that on the first flight, when I pushed
the
stick over for the first turn (to impress the onlookers with my crisp turns)
I nearly went inverted! The controls are very responsive! Other than that
(which
takes about ten seconds to get used to) it flew as planned. Stalls are just
more mushing, no bad characteristics at all. It is a wonderful plane. I love
it! .Fred Sanford..........N9701.....Santa Barbara, Ca................
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Time: 12:22:53 PM PST US
From: "Gordon" <cscsail@gmavt.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Issues you encountered during initial
flights of
your 701
Kevin,
I was surprised by how easy the plane is to fly, it's extremely
forgiving and responsive and I have to watch myself so that I don't get over
confident with it. I had initially planned a high speed taxi to see if
anything odd would happen. With about 4000 rpm and what seemed like 100'
(probably much longer) I realized I was no longer rolling but flying and
just kept going. I've only got about 8 hrs on it, but I'm very pleased with
the performance and the way the plane flied in every respect.
Gordon.
----- Original Message -----
From: "kmccune" <kmccune@somtel.net>
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 8:54 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Issues you encountered during initial flights of
your 701
>
> I've been thinking a lot about the eventual flight testing of my 701. I
> know, its still a long way off. But how did all of you do the testing and
> what issue did you find?
>
>
> Thanks
> Kevin
>
> --------
> Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the
> things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the
> bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your
> sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185696#185696
>
>
________________________________ Message 5
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Time: 12:55:07 PM PST US
From: Dan <dwilde@clearwire.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Issues you encountered during initial
flights
of your 701
kmccune wrote:
>
> I've been thinking a lot about the eventual flight testing of my 701. I
know,
its still a long way off. But how did all of you do the testing and what
issue
did you find?
>
>
> Thanks
> Kevin
>
>
I had three things on my initial flights.
1. Water temps were high. I had to cut the cowling three times in
order to bring the temps down. It now stays in the 230 F range. I
still need to close the gaps around the radiator and the cowl.
2. The plane initially was nose heavy. Based on information from this
list, I straightened the trailing edge of the elevator and now it flies
at 80 mph hands off with no trim.
3. I had a slight left turn that was easily remedied.
If you can, take a demo flight somewhere. I went to Quality Sport
Planes in Cloverdale, CA and took a ride. This gave me the confidence
to do the initial test flight. As others have stated, it is easy to fly
but is a little sensitive until you get used to it.
My initial flight was only once around the pattern and then landing. I
now have 10 hours in the plane and love it!
Dan Wilde
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Time: 01:10:56 PM PST US
From: "Chuck Deiterich" <cffd@pgrb.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Jab 2200 vs 3300
Tim,
I have a Jab 2200 on my 701 (Dry weight 570 lbs). It seems to perform close
to an 80 HP Rotax 912.
As draggy as the 701 is (which increases with airspeed), it is not clear if
much is to be gained in cruise. Take off and climb might be better, but it
will be heavier.
Chuck D.
N701TX
>
> I and a friend are at Jabiru USA taking the engine class this weekend. He
> ordered
> a 3300 which he is yet to take delivery on. There has been some
> discussion
> as to whether the 3300 is too powerful for the airframe and that a 2200
> might
> be a much better fit. I'm building a 601 so I hope some of you 701 pilots
> can
> share your experiences and advice.
>
> Tim Juhl
>
> --------
>
________________________________ Message 7
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Time: 02:55:52 PM PST US
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Jab 2200 vs 3300
From: "kmccune" <kmccune@somtel.net>
Jab 2200 85hp @ 3300RPM =135ft-lb prop torque
Jab 3300 120hp @ 3300RPM = 191ft-lbs prop torque
912 80 hp @ 5500 ROM = 76 ft-lbs x 2.43 reduction = 185 ft-lbs prop torque
912s
100hp @ 5800 RPM = 90 ft-lbs x 2.43 reduction =218ft-lbs prop torque
Number for Jab from their web site, Rotax numbers from Zenith web site.
Though I'm not sure about the reduction ratio on the 912.
Looks to me like the 3300 is the best match. Kinda like a light Corvair
engine!
Kevin
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Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the
things that
you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore.
Dream.
Discover.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185757#185757
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Time: 03:09:06 PM PST US
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Jab 2200 vs 3300
From: "rbjjr" <burkeandsusan@verizon.net>
Now that you mention it, I wonder how the Corvair does compare and, how that
translates
into performance, especially climb.
Thanks,
Burke Johnson
CH701
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________________________________ Message 9
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Time: 03:44:27 PM PST US
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Issues you encountered during initial
flights of
your 701
From: "jetboy" <sanson.r@xtra.co.nz>
For me the pitch nose up change at takeoff and power setting vs. elevator
authority
on landing had to be learned with anticipation. This is a designed in effect
of having the high mounted elevator to make use of the propwash and I don't
consider it a problem just a factor to be ready for. Its very forgiving even
in one of my dumber moments lifting off in a quartering tailwind before I
had
rudder control I kept the nose low while being drifted towards the fence
until
proper flying speed was there.
The best first flight video is here. Non 701 pilots may need counseling to
watch.
Its a reasonably accurate representation of the direct handling available.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GHFfkxNy7Co
Ralph
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Ralph - CH701 / 2200a
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Time: 06:52:04 PM PST US
From: NYTerminat@aol.com
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: Issues you encountered during initial
flights
of y...
Ralph,
That was a great video. I concur that depending on what you are used to
flying it is initially pitch sensitive.
To Kevin my experience was a heavy left wing and a drop in landing for my
first flight.
You should definitely get some dual time in a 701, biggest difference to me
was the fast sink rate at slow speed and reduced throttle. As a big plus is
the quick response when you add the throttle. It just takes some time to
become one with the 701. Great STOL performance and I love it more each
flight.
Bob Spudis
N701ZX/ 150HRS/ 912ULS
In a message dated 6/1/2008 6:44:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
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--> Zenith701801-List message posted by: "jetboy" <sanson.r@xtra.co.nz>
For me the pitch nose up change at takeoff and power setting vs. elevator
authority on landing had to be learned with anticipation. This is a
designed in
effect of having the high mounted elevator to make use of the propwash and
I
don't consider it a problem just a factor to be ready for. Its very
forgiving even in one of my dumber moments lifting off in a quartering
tailwind
before I had rudder control I kept the nose low while being drifted towards
the
fence until proper flying speed was there.
The best first flight video is here. Non 701 pilots may need counseling to
watch. Its a reasonably accurate representation of the direct handling
available.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GHFfkxNy7Co
Ralph
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I am at the point of installing the wheels, I have purchased 6" wheels &
axle kits from Great plains. The plans show welding a 3/4" bolt into
this square plate and bolting them to the main gear. My question is this
seams a bit minimal for carry most all the weight. Would it not be
better to weld the plate and bolt together, drill the 3/4 " hole in the
main gear and then bolt it on using the 4 bolts all from the back side
of the main. Then you could bolt the brake calipers on the wheel side of
the gear as normal using the same 4 bolts.
Has anyone done this? Seams like it would provide extra support.
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| Subject: | Re: Issues you encountered during initial flights of |
your 701
If I could add any advice I would say to carry some power on landing for a while.
You can slowly back of the power on landing until you get used to the plane.
With no power it comes down at a very sharp angle and the flare window is SHORT,
do not flare high! I always land my 701, power off and flaps. It does take
some practice though. Don't forget you don't have a lot of inertia with such
a low weight plane. When you flare it slows down very quickly and quits flying!
I equate it with pulling back the power on a boat that is on plane, it doesn't
plane long after pulling power, just like a 701. I don't want to start any
thing here, but removing the slats and installing vortex generators help alot.
I would never go back to the slats.
I flew with slats for 50 hours, I now have 110 on my plane.
Ron Lee
Tucson, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Issues you encountered during initial flights |
of your 701
Do you feel that your 701 still has good STOL capability without the slats ?
Thanks,
Damien
----- Original Message -----
From: "ronlee" <rlee468@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 8:40 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Issues you encountered during initial
flights of your 701
>
> If I could add any advice I would say to carry some power on landing for a
> while. You can slowly back of the power on landing until you get used to
> the plane. With no power it comes down at a very sharp angle and the flare
> window is SHORT, do not flare high! I always land my 701, power off and
> flaps. It does take some practice though. Don't forget you don't have a
> lot of inertia with such a low weight plane. When you flare it slows down
> very quickly and quits flying! I equate it with pulling back the power on
> a boat that is on plane, it doesn't plane long after pulling power, just
> like a 701. I don't want to start any thing here, but removing the slats
> and installing vortex generators help alot. I would never go back to the
> slats.
> I flew with slats for 50 hours, I now have 110 on my plane.
> Ron Lee
> Tucson, AZ
>
> --------
> Ron Lee
> Tucson, Arizona
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185958#185958
>
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