---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith701801-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 06/24/08: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:54 AM - Re: CH-750 (Chris Lewis) 2. 05:37 AM - CH-750?? (Zed Smith) 3. 06:14 AM - Re: CH-750 (Brady) 4. 07:16 AM - Re: Spar Cap Extrusion... (ricklach) 5. 07:42 AM - A question to Randall H. (ricklach) 6. 07:54 AM - Re: Re: Spar Cap Extrusion... (Dan) 7. 08:15 AM - Re: CH-750 (Chris Lewis) 8. 08:19 AM - Re: A question to Randall H. (Bob Sturgis) 9. 08:34 AM - Re: Re: CH-750 (Iberplanes IGL) 10. 10:39 AM - Re: A question to Randall H. (bcchurch) 11. 11:52 AM - Re: CH-750 (PatrickW) 12. 12:44 PM - Re: CH-750 (Chris Lewis) 13. 12:52 PM - Re: Re: Spar Cap Extrusion... (LarryMcFarland) 14. 12:53 PM - Re: Re: Fuel routing (Phil Owens) 15. 12:56 PM - Re: Outboard elevator hinge plate - 801 (n85ae) 16. 01:07 PM - Re: Re: CH-750 (Iberplanes IGL) 17. 04:12 PM - Re: Spar Cap Extrusion... (ricklach) 18. 04:20 PM - Re: A question to Randall H. (ricklach) 19. 05:38 PM - Unknown part (Elwood140@aol.com) 20. 06:21 PM - Re: Unknown part (John Marzulli) 21. 10:32 PM - Designators for Zenith Aircraft (JohnDRead@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:54:22 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: CH-750 From: "Chris Lewis" Here are some photos. Enjoy! Chris in Seattle -------- 701 Scratch Builder Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189535#189535 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0081_787.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0080_905.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0068_968.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0065_151.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0065_425.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0062_145.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0061_197.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0060_658.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:31 AM PST US From: Zed Smith Subject: Zenith701801-List: CH-750?? do not archive Chris posted photos of the CH-750. Nice. Plenty of left over panel space! Anybody know the source of the seat cushions? Thanks, Zed ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:04 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: CH-750 From: "Brady" Sweet! That's a perfect candidate for the Corvair! Too Bad I'm already committed to the 701. Looks like I'm gonna have two airplanes.... The wife is gonna Love this. [Rolling Eyes] But a man has to do what a man has to do [Laughing] -------- Brady McCormick Poulsbo, WA www.magnificentmachine.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189547#189547 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:16:14 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Spar Cap Extrusion... From: "ricklach" This is a very interesting conversation, but what is the factory providing? The factory is the decider. Can some one please take a look at their kit and provide that very important piece of information to us. I would if I had a kit but I do not. Rick Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189553#189553 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:42:51 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: A question to Randall H. From: "ricklach" I was buying some Aluminum at the local supplier here in Bakersfield and one piece of 2 x 3/16 flat stock was labeled 6061-T6511. No one could explain the 6511 call out. After some research I found a Spec. that referred to the tempering of the metal in a slightly different way that the T6 call out. Every one Ive asked said that its not an issue. So the question to you is: Do you know what the difference is between the two call outs? If not thats OK and thanks for your time. Rick Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189557#189557 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:28 AM PST US From: "Dan" Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Re: Spar Cap Extrusion... Hi Rick: See my post from Yesterday. I talked to Zenith Yesterday and they are providing .093 thickness with square inside corner, Dan. -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ricklach Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 7:16 AM Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Spar Cap Extrusion... This is a very interesting conversation, but what is the factory providing? The factory is the decider. Can some one please take a look at their kit and provide that very important piece of information to us. I would if I had a kit but I do not. Rick Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189553#189553 Checked by AVG. 7:16 PM ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:15:48 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: CH-750 From: "Chris Lewis" Brady - I'll see you at Arlington. I specifically attended the open house to see how close I came in my efforts to upsize the 701 to 110% for space (I'm 6'4" with shoes and 240#), LSA capacity and to fit the Corvair that I'm building. I did all of this a couple of years ago and got Chris Heintz's blessing to my mod's. I'm proud to say that I'm pretty close to what the 750 turned out to be. I really liked the new panel design after sitting in the cockpit and seeing the difference it made in forward vision. They also used the 601 firewall to take advantage of existing hardware for the larger engines on the 601. I feel pretty good about continuing my scratch-build and will certainly adopt the new panel and the taller gear when I get there. I'm awfully tempted to buy that new corner extrusion and pay to ship it to Seattle - we'll see. Chris in Seattle -------- 701 Scratch Builder Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189567#189567 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:19:11 AM PST US From: Bob Sturgis Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: A question to Randall H. Rick,=0AGoogle- 6061-t6 vs 6061-t6511 and a lot of info will come up and a site to ask questions.=0ABobefx=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFro m: ricklach =0ATo: zenith701801-list@matronics.com=0ASen t: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 7:42:37 AM=0ASubject: Zenith701801-List: A questi rick@ravengear.us>=0A=0AI was buying some Aluminum at the local supplier he re in Bakersfield and one piece of 2 x 3/16 flat stock was labeled =936061- T6511=94. No one could explain the =936511=94 call out. After some research I found a Spec. that referred to the tempering of the metal in a slightly different way that the =94T6=94 call out. Every one I=92ve asked said that it=92s not an issue. So the question to you is:=0A=0ADo you know what the d ifference is between the two call outs? If not that=92s OK and thanks for y our time.=0A=0ARick=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp:// forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189557#189557=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, L ======= ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:27 AM PST US From: "Iberplanes IGL" Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: CH-750 Hello there, On ZAC=B4s website says that this airplane will never be available in kit, Is it still true? http://www.zenithair.com/news/ch750.html Currently there are no plans for the CH 750 aircraft to be offered as an aircraft kit or plans (blueprints) for amateur builders. Heintz has stated that the larger CH 750 aircraft is a new aircraft model, and not a replacement to the very popular STOL CH 701aircraft - which can be built from complete kits, component kits or from plans-only: Alberto Martin www.iberplanes.es Igualada - Barcelona - Spain ---------------------------------------------- Zodiac 601 XL Builder Serial: 6-7011 Tail Kit: Finished Wings: Not Started Fuselage: Ordered Engine: Jabiru 3300 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:39:50 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: A question to Randall H. From: "bcchurch" Rick, The "T6" refers to the heat treatment as being solution heat treated and artificially aged. The -511 is added to specify applicability to extruded rod, bar, tubes or shapes when stretched after solution heat treatment. If you have rolled plate and not an extruded bar, the temper designation should be T651, not T6511. My ASM Metals Handbook lists the same typical mechanical properties for both 6061-T6 and 6061-T651. Further, ASTM B221 (spec for extruded aluminum bars, rods, etc) calls out the same mechanical property limits for 6061-T6, T651 and T6511. Hope that helps... Regards, Ben do not archive -------- Ben Church CH801 Racine, WI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189590#189590 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:52:25 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: CH-750 From: "PatrickW" It was the 701 that first caught my eye when I decided to build an airplane. But I'm a tall guy, and I figured that I had better find one to sit in before making a commitment. So when I sat in a 701 at OSH a few years ago, it was obvious that it just wasn't meant to be... [Crying or Very sad] I looked over to the 601 that was sitting a few feet away. To make a long story short, I've now got a nearly complete 601 in my garage... :D But had it been a 750 sitting there when I was first looking at an airplane to build, things may have been different. - Pat -------- Patrick 601XL/Corvair N63PZ (reserved) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189607#189607 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:44:34 PM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: CH-750 From: "Chris Lewis" Alberto - The plane will definitely be available as a kit according to Caleb at Zenith - who is working the design. I could not get a firm answer on plans or even the timing of kit production. They are working feverishly to get the production unit together for Osh Kosh and will then work on the documentation and production schedule. My guess is that they'll be flooded with orders at Osh Kosh, so you may want to see if they have a waiting list for kit buyers right now. If you're a tall guy and are on the fence about the 701, it'll be worth the wait. I talked to a guy who's selling his 701 (complete from FW back) because he is a Corvair fan and likes the fit better. It will certainly be more expensive than the 701 as it is much more complete production-wise, is larger and has .020" skins. Chris in Seattle -------- 701 Scratch Builder Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189612#189612 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:52:58 PM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: Spar Cap Extrusion... Rick, 1 x 1 x 1/8th extruded structural aluminum angle, 6061-t6, with a proper radius is available from Aircraft Spruce as p/n 03-48000. If the dimensions suit you, or if you need something that can be resized, the prices quoted are reasonable (if Zenith is not providing the angle with the radius). Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com do not archive ricklach wrote: > > This is a very interesting conversation, but what is the factory providing? The factory is the decider. Can some one please take a look at their kit and provide that very important piece of information to us. I would if I had a kit but I do not. > > Rick > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189553#189553 > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:53:19 PM PST US From: "Phil Owens" Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: Fuel routing ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:56:14 PM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Outboard elevator hinge plate - 801 From: "n85ae" A word of caution, the AN bolts that they welded for the original hinge pins have a tensile strength of 125,000 psi, stainless steel is often around 75 ksi, which = 75,000 psi. So even with the larger pins you may actually have ended up with weaker hinges. Do you know specifically which alloy stainless you used? 3/16 AN bolts at 125,000 = 10818 lb.s 1/4 SS at 75,000 = 9390 lb.s This is not in shear, but I think it illustrates the point. Regards, Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189617#189617 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:07:48 PM PST US From: "Iberplanes IGL" Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: CH-750 Thanks Chris, that=B4s good news. As soon as I get my XL finished I=B4ll pl ace and order for the CH750, I was about to order the tail kit for a 701, so I better stop and wait until the new kit comes out. Have fun! -- Alberto Martin www.iberplanes.es Igualada - Barcelona - Spain ---------------------------------------------- Zodiac 601 XL Builder Serial: 6-7011 Tail Kit: Finished Wings: Not Started Fuselage: Ordered Engine: Jabiru 3300 2008/6/24 Chris Lewis : > christopherlewis@earthlink.net> > > Alberto - The plane will definitely be available as a kit according to > Caleb at Zenith - who is working the design. I could not get a firm answe r > on plans or even the timing of kit production. > > They are working feverishly to get the production unit together for Osh > Kosh and will then work on the documentation and production schedule. My > guess is that they'll be flooded with orders at Osh Kosh, so you may want to > see if they have a waiting list for kit buyers right now. > > If you're a tall guy and are on the fence about the 701, it'll be worth t he > wait. I talked to a guy who's selling his 701 (complete from FW back) > because he is a Corvair fan and likes the fit better. > > It will certainly be more expensive than the 701 as it is much more > complete production-wise, is larger and has .020" skins. > > Chris in Seattle > > -------- > 701 Scratch Builder > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189612#189612 > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > -- Alberto Martin www.iberplanes.es Igualada - Barcelona - Spain ---------------------------------------------- Zodiac 601 XL Builder Serial: 6-7011 Tail Kit: Finished Wings: Not Started Fuselage: Ordered Engine: Jabiru 3300 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:12:48 PM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Spar Cap Extrusion... From: "ricklach" Thank You both Dan and Larry for your information. Rick Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189657#189657 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:20:15 PM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: A question to Randall H. From: "ricklach" Thanks everyone for providing me with some additional conversation about these call outs. Rick Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189660#189660 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:38:26 PM PST US From: Elwood140@aol.com Subject: Zenith701801-List: Unknown part To all: I have found an item marked '7E-9 door' that doesn't show up on any of my drawings. The part is 215 X 320mm, .025-in thick. Does anyone have an idea as to what it may be? Larry Wood (N701LW reserved) **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:21:42 PM PST US From: "John Marzulli" Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Unknown part Access door for the electric trim tab motor? DO NOT ARCHIVE John Marzulli http://701Builder.blogspot.com/ http://www.GenevieveMarzulli.org/ http://www.JohnMarzulli.net/ On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 5:38 PM, wrote: > To all: I have found an item marked '7E-9 door' that doesn't show up on > any of my drawings. The part is 215 X 320mm, .025-in thick. Does anyone > have an idea as to what it may be? > > Larry Wood > (N701LW reserved) > > > ------------------------------ > Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars > . > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:32:13 PM PST US From: JohnDRead@aol.com Subject: Zenith701801-List: Designators for Zenith Aircraft All; Recently there was some discussion as to how to announce a Zenith CH701 to a controller. I went to the ICAO website and this is what I found for the CH701. ZENAIR CH-701 Stol CH70 John Read Phone: 303-648-3261 Fax: 303-648-3262 Cell: 719-494-4567 **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. 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