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1. 08:22 AM - Re: False ribs (ricklach)
2. 09:36 AM - Re: Diagonal bracing on Fuselage (Jeffrey A Beachy)
3. 09:36 AM - Re: AOA/LRI on a 701? (Jeffrey A Beachy)
4. 10:39 AM - Speaking of covers (Craig Payne)
5. 11:02 AM - Two Lists (Stanley Challgren)
6. 12:11 PM - Re: Diagonal bracing on Fuselage (Ralph Sharp)
7. 01:02 PM - Should the lists have been split? (Randy L. Thwing)
8. 01:11 PM - Re: Should the lists have been split? (Randall J. Hebert)
9. 01:29 PM - Re: Should the lists have been split? (kmccune)
10. 01:33 PM - Re: Should the lists have been split? (Bob Sturgis)
11. 01:33 PM - Re: Should the lists have been split? (MacDonald Doug)
12. 01:39 PM - Re: Should the lists have been split? (John Short)
13. 01:46 PM - Re: Should the lists have been split? (Mark Sherman)
14. 02:16 PM - Two Lists, Please! (Zed Smith)
15. 02:42 PM - Re: Two Lists, Please! (kmccune)
16. 04:21 PM - Re: Should the lists have been split? (George Race)
17. 04:34 PM - Rotax carb sync tools (Craig Payne)
18. 04:35 PM - Re: Should the lists have been split? (Craig Payne)
19. 06:45 PM - Re: Should the lists have been split? (Art Olechowski)
20. 07:53 PM - Re: Should the lists have been split? (ricklach)
21. 07:57 PM - Re: Should the lists have been split? (kmccune)
22. 08:03 PM - 10% ethanol in 912s (Joe Spencer)
23. 10:35 PM - Re: Should the lists have been split? (Mark Kershaw)
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Hi Phil,
Always interested in Mods. Please post your pictures so we can see what others
are doing and thinking.
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: Diagonal bracing on Fuselage |
I had Zenith make me .016 L angles and installed them using 3M tape.
After installation I crimped the L angles. If I had it over to do again,
I would run the L angles all the way to the vertical fuse L's and install
one rivet on each end of the .016 angles where the touch the vertical L's
just to be sure that the cross bracing L's cannot come loose and fall
onto the control cables. That being said, the tape has held fine through
120 hours and I only hear oil canning when I am slipping or doing some
such cross control maneuver.
I also installed L angles in the wings between the ribs. My experience is
that the flat bottom of the wings are more prone to oil canning than the
curved tops.
Jeff Beachy
N701N, 120 hours
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| Subject: | Re: AOA/LRI on a 701? |
I installed the Ohio LRI in my 701. It is bent back to a riduculous
degree and I still don't have it calibrated to stall at the Red/White
line. I like having it, especially in steep, slow turns and such
maneuvers, but it certainly isn't necessary in such a high lift design.
Jeff Beachy
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| Subject: | Speaking of covers |
Bruce's Custom Covers now makes covers for the 701. QSP was handing out
flyers at Arlington and had a sample. I also received the same flyer from
Bruce's in the mail. Doug at QSP said they came up and measured a 701 at
QSP. If you have never see Bruce's work they are a thing of beauty but
*heavy*.
Anyway the flyer lists the cover at $335, an "extended" cover for $435,
engine cover $255, propeller cover (2 blade) $185, wing covers (pair) $425,
Empennage cover $490, light-weight travel canopy cover $290. For a little
more they will put your tail number on the covers.
The fact that they offer a "travel" cover shows that the standard cover is
heavy enough that you probably won't be taking it with you on trips. The
flyer offers a 10% discount "when you mention this flyer, limit 30 days". I
received the same discount when I ordered my 601 cover at SnF a few years
ago.
800-777-6405
www.aircraftcovers.com (the 701 covers are not listed)
-- Craig (just a customer of Bruce's)
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Do not archive
I vote two lists. Had a 601, sold it and now building a 701. Still
some interest in 601 if I have info on it or if item of special
interest shows up but most of interest now centered on the building of
701 hence my favoring two lists.
Stan
N701VG
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| Subject: | Re: Diagonal bracing on Fuselage |
I too have added 0.016 false ribs in wings (except outermost bay) and 0.025
zig-zag bracing in fuselage sides (still building). Used homemade tools
from www.ch701.com (modified shortened version of Murray's "Home Depot"
wooden brake, homemade crimping pliers, and Alfa Knife). Used A4 rivets
same pitch as existing wing ribs and fuselage vertical "L" angles. The ends
of the fuselage zig-zag angles pick up rivets in the longerons (same as the
aft-most diagonal "L"s between horizontal stabilizer attach points). If I
had to do it over, I would have also added a false rib in the wing outermost
bay, top skin. May still do that. :-)
Ralph
N701SA (reserved)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey A Beachy" <beachyjeff@juno.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Diagonal bracing on Fuselage
> <beachyjeff@juno.com>
>
> I had Zenith make me .016 L angles and installed them using 3M tape.
> After installation I crimped the L angles. If I had it over to do again,
> I would run the L angles all the way to the vertical fuse L's and install
> one rivet on each end of the .016 angles where the touch the vertical L's
> just to be sure that the cross bracing L's cannot come loose and fall
> onto the control cables. That being said, the tape has held fine through
> 120 hours and I only hear oil canning when I am slipping or doing some
> such cross control maneuver.
>
> I also installed L angles in the wings between the ribs. My experience is
> that the flat bottom of the wings are more prone to oil canning than the
> curved tops.
>
> Jeff Beachy
> N701N, 120 hours
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| Subject: | Should the lists have been split? |
Hello Listers:
Members of the Zenith-list are revisiting the question of; "should the
lists have been split up or should there be just one Zenith list".
I have been asked to post the same question to the 701 list.
Please vote if you favor going back to one list or keeping the separate
lists.
I have found 4 lists clumsy and unnecessary and am for one list myself.
Regards,
Randy, Las Vegas
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| Subject: | Should the lists have been split? |
Although I could have it either way I like the individual list so I
don't have to weed thru the high anxiety levels that are fairly common
in the 601 list :)
(Apologies to DrEd)
Randall J Hebert
Randall J Hebert & Associates, Inc
Consulting Civil / Structural Engineers
Lafayette, Louisiana
PH 337-261-1976 - FX 337-261-1977
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[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randy
L. Thwing
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 3:01 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Should the lists have been split?
Hello Listers:
Members of the Zenith-list are revisiting the question of; "should the
lists have been split up or should there be just one Zenith list".
I have been asked to post the same question to the 701 list.
Please vote if you favor going back to one list or keeping the separate
lists.
I have found 4 lists clumsy and unnecessary and am for one list myself.
Regards,
Randy, Las Vegas
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| Subject: | Re: Should the lists have been split? |
Leave it alone I like it. You can click all the way over to the Zenith list and
read my reply there. I too don't care to sort through 601 specific things, but
the Zenith list is still there for general stuff... perfect!
Kevin
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Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that
you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192938#192938
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| Subject: | Re: Should the lists have been split? |
two lists 601 701/801=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Randy L.
Thwing <n4546v@mindspring.com>=0ATo: zenith701801-list@matronics.com=0ASent
: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 1:00:30 PM=0ASubject: Zenith701801-List: Should th
e lists have been split?=0A=0A=0AHello Listers:=0A-=0AMembers of the Zeni
th-list are revisiting the question of;- "should the lists have been spli
t up or should there be just one Zenith list".=0A-=0AI have been asked to
post the same question to the 701 list.=0A-=0APlease vote if you favor g
oing back to one list or keeping the separate lists.=0A-=0AI have found 4
lists clumsy and unnecessary and-am for one list myself.=0A-=0ARegards
=======================
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| Subject: | Re: Should the lists have been split? |
Personally, I love the STOL only list. While I support peoples rights to build
and fly what ever they want, the amateurish re-design of the 601 was driving
me nuts. I am perfectly happy having this STOL only list.
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch Builder
NW Ontario, Canada
DO NOT ARCHIVE
--- On Tue, 7/15/08, Randy L. Thwing <n4546v@mindspring.com> wrote:
> From: Randy L. Thwing <n4546v@mindspring.com>
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: Should the lists have been split?
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 3:00 PM
> Hello Listers:
>
> Members of the Zenith-list are revisiting the question of;
> "should the lists have been split up or should there be
> just one Zenith list".
>
> I have been asked to post the same question to the 701
> list.
>
> Please vote if you favor going back to one list or keeping
> the separate lists.
>
> I have found 4 lists clumsy and unnecessary and am for one
> list myself.
>
> Regards,
>
> Randy, Las Vegas
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| Subject: | Re: Should the lists have been split? |
I vote to keep it split. Lot less BS since 701 made the split.
John (Scratch building 701)
Kaufman, Tx
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy L. Thwing
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 3:00 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Should the lists have been split?
Hello Listers:
Members of the Zenith-list are revisiting the question of; "should
the lists have been split up or should there be just one Zenith list".
I have been asked to post the same question to the 701 list.
Please vote if you favor going back to one list or keeping the
separate lists.
I have found 4 lists clumsy and unnecessary and am for one list
myself.
Regards,
Randy, Las Vegas
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| Subject: | Re: Should the lists have been split? |
Both lists please. It is so peaceful and quiet on the 701/801 list,
haven't had to listen to a cross word in months. Just the way it should
be
Mark S.
701/912ULS
painting
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy L. Thwing
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 1:00 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Should the lists have been split?
Hello Listers:
Members of the Zenith-list are revisiting the question of; "should
the lists have been split up or should there be just one Zenith list".
I have been asked to post the same question to the 701 list.
Please vote if you favor going back to one list or keeping the
separate lists.
I have found 4 lists clumsy and unnecessary and am for one list
myself.
Regards,
Randy, Las Vegas
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
7/15/2008 5:48 AM
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| Subject: | Two Lists, Please! |
do not archive
The 601 group consists of a fine bunch of builders.
However.....I didn't pass Rocket Science 101, so they're outta my league.
Have enjoyed the peace and quiet of 701 builders; not even one mention of green
Scotch Bright pads.
Let us continue with the split Lists for a few more months, at the least.
Regards to all,
Zed
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| Subject: | Re: Two Lists, Please! |
whatsa green scotchbrite pad :D
Kevin
do not archive
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Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that
you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192965#192965
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| Subject: | Should the lists have been split? |
I vote to keep the 701/801 list just the way it is.
George
N73EX
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy L. <mailto:n4546v@mindspring.com> Thwing
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 3:00 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Should the lists have been split?
Hello Listers:
Members of the Zenith-list are revisiting the question of; "should the
lists have been split up or should there be just one Zenith list".
I have been asked to post the same question to the 701 list.
Please vote if you favor going back to one list or keeping the separate
lists.
I have found 4 lists clumsy and unnecessary and am for one list myself.
Regards,
Randy, Las Vegas
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| Subject: | Rotax carb sync tools |
For their Rotax 912 has anyone built their own synchronizer (basically a
double-ended differential manometer) instead of buy a commercial kit? How
well did it work? Looks like it should be as good (or better with the longer
scale).
Something like this:
http://www.powerchutes.com/manometer.asp
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Should the lists have been split? |
But what will we do with the 750? It's a bigger 701 but the FWF is
compatible with the 601.
-- Craig
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| Subject: | Re: Should the lists have been split? |
My preference is to remain seperated from the 601 group.
Art
--- "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Hello Listers:
>
> Members of the Zenith-list are revisiting the question of; "should the lists
have been split up
> or should there be just one Zenith list".
>
> I have been asked to post the same question to the 701 list.
>
> Please vote if you favor going back to one list or keeping the separate lists.
>
> I have found 4 lists clumsy and unnecessary and am for one list myself.
>
> Regards,
>
> Randy, Las Vegas
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Should the lists have been split? |
I like the split.
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: Should the lists have been split? |
701/750/801....STOL
There is still the Zenith list for general/crossover Zenith stuff.
Don't forget that its a pretty free list, if it applies post it, where you wish.
Kevin
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[quote="craig(at)craigandjean.com"]But what will we do with the 750? Its a bigger
701 but the FWF is compatible with the 601.
-- Craig
> [b]
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Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that
you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=193009#193009
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| Subject: | 10% ethanol in 912s |
Has anybody run enough 10% ethanol in the 912s to know how it tolerants
it?
Thanks Joe
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| Subject: | Should the lists have been split? |
I am in favor of keeping the lists separate too.
Regards
Mark Kershaw
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[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
George Race
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 2:21 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Should the lists have been split?
I vote to keep the 701/801 list just the way it is.
George
N73EX
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy L. Thwing <mailto:n4546v@mindspring.com>
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 3:00 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Should the lists have been split?
Hello Listers:
Members of the Zenith-list are revisiting the question of;
"should the lists have been split up or should there be just one Zenith
list".
I have been asked to post the same question to the 701 list.
Please vote if you favor going back to one list or keeping the
separate lists.
I have found 4 lists clumsy and unnecessary and am for one list
myself.
Regards,
Randy, Las Vegas
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