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1. 12:42 AM - Re: Should the lists have been split? (raymondj)
2. 01:56 AM - Re: AOA/LRI on a 701? (jetboy)
3. 02:31 AM - Re: Should the lists have been split? (stepinwolf)
4. 03:39 AM - Re: Should the lists have been split? ()
5. 03:47 AM - Capacitor for 912 (Elwood140@aol.com)
6. 04:04 AM - Re: Capacitor for 912 (MacDonald Doug)
7. 04:46 AM - Re: Should the lists have been split? (river1)
8. 04:52 AM - Re: 10% ethanol & 912 (Zed Smith)
9. 06:05 AM - Re: Should the lists have been split? (Bob Sturgis)
10. 06:17 AM - Re: Two Lists, Please! (Paul Tipton)
11. 06:39 AM - Re: Should the lists have been split? (Larry)
12. 06:51 AM - Split list (george.mueller@aurora.org)
13. 07:48 AM - Re: Zenith701801-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 07/15/08 ()
14. 08:17 AM - Re: Should the lists have been split? (Jim McBurney)
15. 08:43 AM - Re: Should the lists have been split? (Tony & Peggy Pierce)
16. 09:17 AM - Re: Capacitor for 912 (Craig Payne)
17. 09:53 AM - leave the list alone (Robert K.)
18. 10:16 AM - Re: Should the lists have been split? (Jeffrey A Beachy)
19. 10:21 AM - Re: 10 percent ethanol in 912s (Jeffrey A Beachy)
20. 10:35 AM - RES: Re: 10% ethanol & 912 (Francisco Espuny)
21. 12:49 PM - Some Arlington 2008 Photos (John Marzulli)
22. 01:49 PM - Re: Should the lists have been split? (dj45)
23. 02:42 PM - Re: Some Arlington 2008 Photos (kmccune)
24. 02:58 PM - Re: Should the lists have been split? (ronlee)
25. 03:22 PM - Re: Re: Should the lists have been split? (John Bolding)
26. 05:33 PM - A lot less traffic, but. (Perry Delano)
27. 06:24 PM - Re: Re: Should the lists have been split? (Joemotis@aol.com)
28. 06:46 PM - copying holes (Carlos Sa)
29. 11:52 PM - Re: copying holes (Craig Payne)
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| Subject: | Re: Should the lists have been split? |
Please keep the lists separate.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
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but prepare for the worst."
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 3:00 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Should the lists have been split?
Hello Listers:
Members of the Zenith-list are revisiting the question of; "should the
lists have been split up or should there be just one Zenith list".
I have been asked to post the same question to the 701 list.
Please vote if you favor going back to one list or keeping the separate
lists.
I have found 4 lists clumsy and unnecessary and am for one list myself.
Regards,
Randy, Las Vegas
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5:48 AM
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| Subject: | Re: AOA/LRI on a 701? |
I built one up from a rod of plexiglass using a long drill and a sensitive air
gauge, and trialled it for a few flights.
I had to set the probe at a much lower angle than expected, and although it operated
as supposed to I really wouldnt want it on my 701.
There is such a wide envelope of airspeed and AOA available and I dont see the
gauge has any compensation for A/C weight and flaps down conditions, these variables
have a huge effect on when and where the plane ends up.
I'd like to be more specific but having tried it out conclude its best left out
of the 701 / 801 cockpit
Ralph
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| Subject: | Re: Should the lists have been split? |
Although builders of the 601's and the 701-801 builders belong to the same Zenith
family, they are like most families, two completely different individuals.
Their needs, their likes and dislikes, should justify each having their own list.
Although I regularly read both, my personal opinion is that they must stay
separated.
Bob the 701 scratch
Trois Riviers, Quebec
# 7-7143
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| Subject: | Re: Should the lists have been split? |
Keep the 701/801 list. No scrolling through BS, petty arguments, rants, etc.
Welcome 750 builders,
Rich Hartwig
hart701@charter.net
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| Subject: | Capacitor for 912 |
Listers, I'm about to need a 22,000uf capacitor for my 912S. Is there any
particular source for this or will Radio Shack work?
Larry Wood
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| Subject: | Re: Capacitor for 912 |
Larry, good luck finding something that big from Radio Shack. Digikey might be
a more likely source if they even have one that big. Lockwood or Leaf might
be your only choice but I'm betting a genuine Rotax cap will be pricy (everything
else Rotax is).
Wherever you get it from, make sure you connect it up the right way as electrolytic
capacitors tend to explode when connected backwards. Not a big deal if a
little half inch by 3/4 inch capacitor pops but something as big as the Rotax
capacitor could be dangerous. At the very least a big mess.
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch Builder
NW Ontario, Canada
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--- On Wed, 7/16/08, Elwood140@aol.com <Elwood140@aol.com> wrote:
> From: Elwood140@aol.com <Elwood140@aol.com>
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: Capacitor for 912
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 5:46 AM
> Listers, I'm about to need a 22,000uf capacitor for my
> 912S. Is there any
> particular source for this or will Radio Shack work?
>
> Larry Wood
> (N701LW reserved)
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| Subject: | Re: Should the lists have been split? |
I vote for separate list .
PR
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| Subject: | Re: 10% ethanol & 912 |
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Joe and List,
Good question.
My local fuel distributor tells me that it is his understanding that the percentage
runs as high as 20 to 25 in some parts of the world.
Maybe some member of the List outside North America can offer comment.
Regards,
Zed
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| Subject: | Re: Should the lists have been split? |
Crig,=0AJoin both lists. I have both because I have a 601 and had started a
701 and will build a 750 as soon as they hit the market.=0ABobefx=0A=0A=0A
----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>=0A
PM=0ASubject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Should the lists have been split?=0A
=0A=0ABut what will we do with the 750? It=A2s a bigger 701 but the FWF is
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| Subject: | Re: Two Lists, Please! |
Definitely two lists!
Paul Tipton
321PT
Ch701 - 185 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Should the lists have been split? |
Art Olechowski wrote:
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> My preference is to remain seperated from the 601 group.
>
> Art
> --- "Randy L. Thwing" <n4546v@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
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>> Hello Listers:
>>
>> Members of the Zenith-list are revisiting the question of; "should the lists
have been split up
>> or should there be just one Zenith list".
>>
>> I have been asked to post the same question to the 701 list.
>>
>> Please vote if you favor going back to one list or keeping the separate lists.
>>
>> I have found 4 lists clumsy and unnecessary and am for one list myself.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Randy, Las Vegas
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>>
>>
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> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
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>
Since I've been on this list, this is at least the third time we've had
this discussion. I thought/hoped the last one was it.
Here's what you do. For those who want both the 601 and 701/801 dialog,
then please sign up for both lists. It's that simple, now you have them
combined. Otherwise sign up on either one you want and they are not
combined. Where's the problem?
Larry www.skyhawg.com
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I also much prefer to have the 701 list split off.
Separately, has anyone done timed full throttle climbs at different
airspeeds to calculate Vx and Vy? What numbers did you get? I still have
to do this as part of my phase 1 flight testing but I am curious as to
whether or not everyone gets the same numbers or if there is variability.
George in Milwaukee
701GM 35 Hours Flying
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith701801-List Digest: 23 Msgs - 07/15/08 |
Please keep the lists separate.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Should the lists have been split? |
I vote to keep the split list. I'm an "in-and-out-quick"er, not much for
the "get-there-quick-and-miss-all-the-fun"er.
Matt, I also voted on the main list.
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Blue skies and tailwinds
Jim
CH-801
DeltaHawk diesel
Augusta GA
90% done, 90% left
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| Subject: | Re: Should the lists have been split? |
Please keep the lists separate...
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy L. Thwing
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 1:00 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Should the lists have been split?
Hello Listers:
Members of the Zenith-list are revisiting the question of; "should
the lists have been split up or should there be just one Zenith list".
I have been asked to post the same question to the 701 list.
Please vote if you favor going back to one list or keeping the
separate lists.
I have found 4 lists clumsy and unnecessary and am for one list
myself.
Regards,
Randy, Las Vegas
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| Subject: | Capacitor for 912 |
B and C has some (and other interesting stuff). They have 10,000 and 47,000
uF units. Go to the link below and search for "capacitor":
http://www.bandc.biz
Or look in their PDF catalog:
http://www.bandc.biz/2008_Catalog_20pg_sm.pdf
-- Craig
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| Subject: | leave the list alone |
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| Subject: | Re: Should the lists have been split? |
I like the separate 701 list.
Jeff Beachy
CH701, 120 hours
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| Subject: | Re: 10 percent ethanol in 912s |
I have given up on finding ethanol free 92 octane in my area. Ethanol
content has been 5% to 7% around here. I used fuel injection lines and
have an ACS gascolator approved for auto fuel. I keep the plane hangared
and have never found water in my fuel. (Perhaps that will change when I
park outside at Oshkosh.) I have had no issues with my 912ULS and ethanol
and, frankly, don't worry much about it anymore.
Jeff Beachy
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| Subject: | Re: 10% ethanol & 912 |
Hi.
Here, in Brazil, we've been adding ethanol to our automotive gas for decades, and
I must say that, in the beggining, there were a lot of troubles like corrosion
(remember that ethanol is hidrated) and malfunctions that have been corrected
with the development of new techs. Today's cars run very fine and trusty with
our almost 25% ethanol fuel, or any mix of gas/ethanol (the local FLEX technology
adopted by Ford, GM, Toyota, Honda, Peugeot, Volkswagen, Renault, Fiat
and others). Theres no auto gas for sale without ethanol here, so we have to
run our aero engines on AVGAS.
Many pilots risk themselves filling the tanks with local hi-octane auto gas, and
some of them say that the ethanol added means no problems and outputs higer
power.
In fact, what we can see is a lot of ultralight crashes due to engine failure,
and many of those linked to auto gas use.
We must remember that today's injection system and engines that can run either
on pure gas or 100% ethanol were specifically developed for it.
Although ethanol delivers more power, the compression rate of cylinders must be
higher, the materials employed must be corrosion-free and there are other specs
to observe, as we learned. I witnessed all this decades' process and know how
many problems one will experience just adding ethanol without any modifications.
So, if an engine's factory says it's for AVGAS , for me this means NO ethanol.
And, think : we can trust the petrol company and the field deliverers, but what
about the gas stations that have both tanks of gas and ethanol, side by side,
one product more valuable than other, and that can be mixed together without
any visual effect?
Here we have many planes flying on 100% ethanol, but their engines have been changed
to. And face to the oil prices and the stablishment of a global vegetal
source fuel industry, I think that what happened to auto engines will do to aero
ones, and soon all factories will be delivering engines that can run on both
fuels, and any percent of each one, like my brand new GM pickup!
But we have to wait.
No experiences with my plane and my life.
Still on AVGAS untill new techs come from Rotax and others.
Francisco Espuny
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De: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] Em nome de Zed Smith
Enviada em: quarta-feira, 16 de julho de 2008 08:53
Para: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Assunto: Zenith701801-List: Re: 10% ethanol & 912
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Joe and List,
Good question.
My local fuel distributor tells me that it is his understanding that the percentage
runs as high as 20 to 25 in some parts of the world.
Maybe some member of the List outside North America can offer comment.
Regards,
Zed
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| Subject: | Some Arlington 2008 Photos |
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| Subject: | Re: Should the lists have been split? |
I also am for keeping them split, no bickering here.
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N9801S
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701-40% done
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| Subject: | Re: Some Arlington 2008 Photos |
thanks for the pics!
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| Subject: | Re: Should the lists have been split? |
I don't care what you do with the other Zenith lists but please keep the 701 &
801 list separate.
Ron Lee
Tucson, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Should the lists have been split? |
keep'em split , nice,quiet, peaceful, just information, no drama
John
750 guys welcome
----- Original Message -----
From: "dj45" <dj45@modempool.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 3:48 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Should the lists have been split?
>
> I also am for keeping them split, no bickering here.
>
> --------
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> Dan Stanton
> N9801S
> 99.9% Done and Flying
> 701-40% done
>
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| Subject: | A lot less traffic, but. |
It seems that the 601 list died after the split, but the 701/801 list has
chugged along in a low key way, focusing mainly on building rather than
religion, politics or money.
Unfortunately I think one just has to let the one list thing die.
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| Subject: | Re: Should the lists have been split? |
I agree, split lists!
I personally dislike people (that seem to be in abundance on the 601 list)
that feel that they have to give their answer for every frigging question
posted. How the heck do they get anything done, they are always spouting off how
much they know.And to a lot of people reading, it becomes apparent how much
they do not know.
Joe Motis
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Hello, all
How have you copied a hole pattern from one part to a new part, without
damaging (i.e., making them bigger, oval) the existing holes?
In my case, the wing ribs have already been drilled to A4 size, and I am
going to discard the old skin.
I think the least laborious way of doing this would be to back-drill the
skin, from inside the wing.
But how do I make sure I won't enlarge the holes on the ribs?
Thanks in advance for your comments / suggestions.
Carlos
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How about a transfer punch?
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=3577
Or just search www.harborfreight.com for item number 3577-2VGA.
Remember that pulled rivets do expand in their holes. So some enlargement of
the existing holes is tolerable. I think there is something in the Zenith
construction standards about this.
-- Craig
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Sa
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 7:46 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: copying holes
Hello, all
How have you copied a hole pattern from one part to a new part, without
damaging (i.e., making them bigger, oval) the existing holes?
In my case, the wing ribs have already been drilled to A4 size, and I am
going to discard the old skin.
I think the least laborious way of doing this would be to back-drill the
skin, from inside the wing.
But how do I make sure I won't enlarge the holes on the ribs?
Thanks in advance for your comments / suggestions.
Carlos
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