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1. 02:37 AM - Re: copying holes (John Marzulli)
2. 06:38 AM - Re: copying holes (Carlos Sa)
3. 07:24 AM - Re: 10 percent ethanol in 912s (ricklach)
4. 07:49 AM - Re: copying holes (n85ae)
5. 07:57 AM - Re: Re: copying holes (Carlos Sa)
6. 08:24 AM - Re: Re: 10 percent ethanol in 912s (Bob Sturgis)
7. 08:31 AM - N73EX Is Now An Airplane (George Race)
8. 08:42 AM - Should the lists have been split? (Keystone Engineering LLC)
9. 08:44 AM - Re: Re: copying holes (Randy L. Thwing)
10. 08:48 AM - Re: N73EX Is Now An Airplane (Randall J. Hebert)
11. 09:05 AM - Re: N73EX Is Now An Airplane (Bob Sturgis)
12. 09:29 AM - Re: Re: 10 percent ethanol in 912s (NYTerminat@aol.com)
13. 10:09 AM - Re: N73EX Is Now An Airplane (John Marzulli)
14. 10:29 AM - Re: Should the lists have been split? (n85ae)
15. 11:26 AM - Re: Hole finder (Zed Smith)
16. 12:31 PM - Re: Re: Hole finder (Randy L. Thwing)
17. 12:55 PM - Re: N73EX Is Now An Airplane (kmccune)
18. 01:32 PM - More N73EX (Zed Smith)
19. 01:53 PM - N73EX Follow Up Clarification (George Race)
20. 03:06 PM - Re: More N73EX (kmccune)
21. 04:23 PM - Re: Should the lists have been split? (n801bh@netzero.com)
22. 04:34 PM - Re: N73EX Is Now An Airplane (Art Olechowski)
23. 07:50 PM - Re: Should the lists have been split? (kmccune)
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| Subject: | Re: copying holes |
If you are copying the holes from the ribs, then doing back-drilling one
skin at a time should work. Otherwise, you can make a strap duplicator
easily using a few rivets and two spent hack saw blades.
GOOD LUCK and DO NOT ARCHIVE
John Marzulli
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
http://www.GenevieveMarzulli.org/
http://www.JohnMarzulli.net/
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Carlos Sa <carlossa52@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello, all
>
>
> How have you copied a hole pattern from one part to a new part, without
> damaging (i.e., making them bigger, oval) the existing holes?
>
> In my case, the wing ribs have already been drilled to A4 size, and I am
> going to discard the old skin.
> I think the least laborious way of doing this would be to back-drill the
> skin, from inside the wing.
> But how do I make sure I won't enlarge the holes on the ribs?
>
> Thanks in advance for your comments / suggestions.
>
> Carlos
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: copying holes |
Hello, Craig
This is one of the many tools out thre I didn't know existed...
If I understand it well, you place it in the hole (in my case, the rib's),
with the target piece under it (the skin), and tap it so you get an
indentation at the centre of the location where the hole needs to be?
Nice.
Thanks for writing
Carlos
2008/7/17 Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>:
> How about a transfer punch?
>
>
> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=3577
>
>
> Or just search www.harborfreight.com for item number 3577-2VGA.
>
>
> Remember that pulled rivets do expand in their holes. So some enlargement
> of the existing holes is tolerable. I think there is something in the Zenith
> construction standards about this.
>
>
> -- Craig
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 10 percent ethanol in 912s |
Hi Jeff,
What part of the country is "around Here"? I live in California and haven't seen
Ethanol yet. Has any one "out here" seen any ethanol?
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: copying holes |
Can you lay the old skin on top of the new skin as a drilling template?
This would be the easiest way. Lay the new skin on a sheet of plywood,
and drill and cleco the old skin right on top of if clecoing all the way
through into the plywood. I did this with my cabin floor after I discovered
that the lines drawn by Zenith were incorrect and I had trimmed to the lines.
Every single hole matched perfectly.
I don't think you can use a hole finder on wing skins as the edge to hole
distance would be excessive.
Regards,
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: copying holes |
Good idea, Jeff, but the reason I have to go through this operation in the
first place is that the original skin isn't square.
That's why I want to use the holes in the ribs as a guide. Using the skin is
not impossible, but it represents more work (I would have to reposition it
for each rib station).
(A hole finder is unnecessary, the structure is still just clecoed.)
Thanks for the comment.
Carlos
2008/7/17 n85ae <n85ae@yahoo.com>:
>
> Can you lay the old skin on top of the new skin as a drilling template?
> This would be the easiest way. Lay the new skin on a sheet of plywood,
> and drill and cleco the old skin right on top of if clecoing all the way
> through into the plywood. I did this with my cabin floor after I discovered
> that the lines drawn by Zenith were incorrect and I had trimmed to the
> lines.
> Every single hole matched perfectly.
>
> I don't think you can use a hole finder on wing skins as the edge to hole
> distance would be excessive.
>
> Regards,
> Jeff
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 10 percent ethanol in 912s |
Rick,=0AI live in the Los Angeles area and some Ethanol has been found in g
as here. Check with your supplier, it is not always on the pump, or it may
say "may contain Ethanol" in small print. It is here, just- not broadcast
or advertised.=0A-=0ABobefx=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom:
ricklach <rick@ravengear.us>=0ATo: zenith701801-list@matronics.com=0ASent:
Thursday, July 17, 2008 7:24:10 AM=0ASubject: Zenith701801-List: Re: 10 per
h" <rick@ravengear.us>=0A=0AHi Jeff,=0A=0AWhat part of the country is "arou
nd Here"? I live in California and haven't seen Ethanol yet. Has any one "o
ut here" seen any ethanol?=0A=0ARick=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online h
ere:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=193356#193356=0A=0A
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| Subject: | N73EX Is Now An Airplane |
Had my FAA inspection this morning, all went well.
Have my Airworthiness and Repairman's certificates in hand.
ITS DONE! ! ! ! !
George CH-701
N73EX
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| Subject: | Should the lists have been split? |
List
We should have spilt the lists when we first took a vote 4 or 5 years ago.
I vote for two separate lists!
Bill Wilcox
N801BW
375 hrs
Should have time to put on floats soon.
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| Subject: | Re: copying holes |
Do not archive
I botched a set of 701 wing skins and made a set of LONG hole finders to do
this exact job. I made them from the widest pallet banding material I could
find in the dumpster. Long enough to reach from trailing edge to the main
spar.
If you decide to go this route I could send pictures.
Regards,
Randy, Las Vegas
> I don't think you can use a hole finder on wing skins as the edge to hole
> distance would be excessive.
>
> Regards,
> Jeff
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| Subject: | N73EX Is Now An Airplane |
Congrts George, I am so jealous of you guys.
But I'll keep pulling rivets and maybe one day!
Randall J Hebert
Randall J Hebert & Associates, Inc
Consulting Civil / Structural Engineers
Lafayette, Louisiana
PH 337-261-1976 - FX 337-261-1977
________________________________
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
George Race
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:30 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: N73EX Is Now An Airplane
Had my FAA inspection this morning, all went well.
Have my Airworthiness and Repairman's certificates in hand.
ITS DONE! ! ! ! !
George CH-701
N73EX
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| Subject: | Re: N73EX Is Now An Airplane |
Congratulations George, nice work. Now go fly!!!=0A-=0ABobefx=0A-=0Ado
not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: George Race <myk
itairplane@mrrace.com>=0ATo: zenith701801-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thursd
ay, July 17, 2008 8:29:59 AM=0ASubject: Zenith701801-List: N73EX Is Now An
Airplane=0A=0A=0AHad my FAA inspection this morning, all went well.=0A-
=0AHave my Airworthiness and Repairman's certificates in hand.=0A-=0AITS
DONE! ! ! ! !=0A-=0AGeorge CH-701=0A--- -N73EX
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| Subject: | Re: 10 percent ethanol in 912s |
So far in NY none in premium unleaded.
Bob Spudis
In a message dated 7/17/2008 10:24:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rick@ravengear.us writes:
--> Zenith701801-List message posted by: "ricklach" <rick@ravengear.us>
Hi Jeff,
What part of the country is "around Here"? I live in California and haven't
seen Ethanol yet. Has any one "out here" seen any ethanol?
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: N73EX Is Now An Airplane |
Congrats!
Enjoy that first flight, you earned it.
Thanks,
DO NOT ARCHIVE
John Marzulli
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
http://www.GenevieveMarzulli.org/
http://www.JohnMarzulli.net/
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Bob Sturgis <bobefx@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Congratulations George, nice work. Now go fly!!!
>
>
> Bobefx
>
>
> do not archive
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: George Race <mykitairplane@mrrace.com>
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 8:29:59 AM
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: N73EX Is Now An Airplane
>
> Had my FAA inspection this morning, all went well.
>
> Have my Airworthiness and Repairman's certificates in hand.
>
> ITS DONE! ! ! ! !
>
> George CH-701
> N73EX
>
>
> *
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> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Should the lists have been split? |
Isn't this discussion, in itself, similar to the reasons that the very split
occurred to begin with ...?
Regards,
Jeff
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do not archive
A cheap & dirty quick blind duplicator is two hacksaw blades. Screw through one
end, whatever you like at the other.
Another, although not very flexible, is a pair of metal yardsticks. You can disassemble
it to still use the yardstick, re-assemble to locate holes.
I like the metal banding idea, too. Good to know I'm not the only pack rat on
the list.
Regards,
Zed
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Do not archive
Zed:
Please get your terms straight, the Genus is "Bottomfeeder". "Pack Rat",
"Dumpster Diver", etc. are just a couple of the zillions of "species".
Yuks,
Randy, Las vegas
> I like the metal banding idea, too. Good to know I'm not the only pack
rat on the list.
>
> Regards,
> Zed
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| Subject: | Re: N73EX Is Now An Airplane |
Congrats!
Kevin
--------
Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that
you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover.
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Looking good, George!!
Anybody notice the CLEAN table and floor?
Really, George, you didn't have to go to so much trouble just for us!!
Congrats!
Zed
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| Subject: | N73EX Follow Up Clarification |
Thanks for all the congrats, greatly appreciated.
The attached picture is not me, but a big thumbs up from FAA Inspector Rick
after the inspection.
George
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Trouble, isn't your work shop always spotless????? [Laughing]
............I can hardly move in mine right now [Wink]
Kevin
do not archive
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Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that
you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover.
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| Subject: | Re: Should the lists have been split? |
there already is TWO lists....
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- Keystone Engineering LLC <keystone@gci.net> wrote:
List<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:offic
e:office" />
We should have spilt the lists when we first took a vote 4 or 5 years ag
o.
I vote for two separate lists!
Bill Wilcox
N801BW
375 hrs
Should have time to put on floats soon.
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| Subject: | Re: N73EX Is Now An Airplane |
Awesome George! Congrats, one huge step complete, now focus here, make sure you
have your takeoff
checklist memorized as I've heard you'll be lifting off during slow speed taxi
tests:)
do not archive
Art
--- George Race <mykitairplane@mrrace.com> wrote:
> Had my FAA inspection this morning, all went well.
>
> Have my Airworthiness and Repairman's certificates in hand.
>
> ITS DONE! ! ! ! !
>
> George CH-701
> N73EX
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Should the lists have been split? |
No it is not, a question was asked, and we are answering the question. Politely
and with respect.
Kevin
n85ae wrote:
> Isn't this discussion, in itself, similar to the reasons that the very split
> occurred to begin with ...?
>
> Regards,
> Jeff
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Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that
you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=193535#193535
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