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1. 03:50 AM - Re: 701/914 (MacDonald Doug)
2. 04:36 AM - =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9p=2E_=3A_Zenith701801-List=3A_701/914? (Jean-Paul Roy)
3. 06:42 AM - Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p=2E_=3A_Zenith701?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?801-List=3A_701/914? (Keith Ashcraft)
4. 07:07 AM - Re: 801bw is a float plane (Gordon)
5. 09:19 AM - =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Zenith701801-List=3A_R=E9p=2E_=3A_Zenith701801-List?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3A_701/914? (Jean-Paul Roy)
6. 09:43 AM - =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:__R=E9p._:_Zenith701801-List:_701/914? (Ken Ryan)
7. 10:35 AM - =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:__R=E9p._:_Zenith701801-List:_701/914? (Ken Ryan)
8. 10:59 AM - Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p=2E_=3A_Zenith701?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?801-List=3A_701/914? (Keith Ashcraft)
9. 11:59 AM - =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Zenith701801-List=3A_Re=3A_Zenith7018?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?01-List=3A_R=E9p=2E_=3A_Zenith701801-List=3A_701/?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?914? (Keith Ashcraft)
10. 12:26 PM - =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9p=2E_=3A_Zenith701801-List=3A_Re=3A_Zenith701801-List?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3A_Re=3A_Zenith701801-List=3A_R=E9p=2E_=3A_Zenith701801-L?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?ist=3A_701/914? (Jean-Paul Roy)
11. 02:55 PM - Ch-750 versus Ch-701 (flicka750)
12. 03:16 PM - Re: Ch-750 versus Ch-701 (kmccune)
13. 04:59 PM - Re: [Probable Spam] Ch-750 versus Ch-701 (LarryMcFarland)
14. 07:37 PM - Re: [Probable Spam] Ch-750 versus Ch-701 (flicka750)
15. 08:22 PM - Re: Ch-750 versus Ch-701 (Roy Szarafinski)
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Ken, the only two negatives I've ever heard about the 914 in the 701 were cooling
it and of course the price tag. I seem to remember Skyshops had a special
cowl for the 914 or something to that effect to allow better cooling.
I could be wrong though, this is remembering a couple of years ago.
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch Builder
Rotax 912 UL
NW Ontario, Canada
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--- On Mon, 8/18/08, Ken Ryan <kenryan@alaska.net> wrote:
> From: Ken Ryan <kenryan@alaska.net>
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: 701/914
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 9:45 PM
> Ryan" <kenryan@alaska.net>
>
> I've spoken with Mr. Wood in Colorado who installed a
> 914 in his 701 about
> 10 years ago, and who has about 900 hours on it. He is
> very, very happy.
>
> His reason for going to the 914 was that his strip is at
> 5000 ft and he needs
> 13000 ft just to clear the terrain in certain directions.
> He loves his 914 and
> would do it again in an instant.
>
> He also told me that there was no more than a 10 pound
> weight penalty in
> going from the 912ULS to the 914, and that the 914 has been
> a beautiful,
> reliable, trouble-free engine.
>
> I'm wondering if there's anybody else out there
> with a 914/701 installation,
> and if so, their comments.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ken Ryan
> Still-looking-at-701-vs-750
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| Subject: | =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9p=2E_=3A_Zenith701801-List=3A_701/914? |
Ken, where about in Colorado is Mr. Wood located ? I'm actualy on an assign
ement here in Colorado until october before I-return to Canada. I would l
ike to pay him a visit and see that set-up.-
Jean-Paul Roy
wings skelletons still waiting home
--- En date de-: Lun, 18.8.08, Ken Ryan <kenryan@alaska.net> a =E9crit-
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De: Ken Ryan <kenryan@alaska.net>
Objet: Zenith701801-List: 701/914
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<kenryan@alaska.net>
I've spoken with Mr. Wood in Colorado who installed a 914 in his 701 about
10 years ago, and who has about 900 hours on it. He is very, very happy.
His reason for going to the 914 was that his strip is at 5000 ft and he nee
ds
13000 ft just to clear the terrain in certain directions. He loves his 914
and
would do it again in an instant.
He also told me that there was no more than a 10 pound weight penalty in
going from the 912ULS to the 914, and that the 914 has been a beautiful,
reliable, trouble-free engine.
I'm wondering if there's anybody else out there with a 914/701
installation,
and if so, their comments.
Thanks,
Ken Ryan
Still-looking-at-701-vs-750
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| Subject: | Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p=2E_=3A_Zenith701?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?801-List=3A_701/914? |
Jean-Paul,
Last I knew, he was in the Grand Junction area, (West central, about 20 mil
es from the Utah boarder)
Where is your assignement at here in Colorado?
Keith
CH701-scratch
N 38.9940 (hint - just West of Colorado Springs, CO)
W 105.1305
Alt. 9,100 - (notice, I am 4,000' higher than Mr. Wood)
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Jean-Paul Roy wrote:
Ken, where about in Colorado is Mr. Wood located ? I'm actualy on an assign
ement here in Colorado until october before I return to Canada. I would lik
e to pay him a visit and see that set-up.
Jean-Paul Roy
wings skelletons still waiting home
--- En date de : Lun, 18.8.08, Ken Ryan <kenryan@alaska.net><mailto:kenryan
@alaska.net> a ?crit :
De: Ken Ryan <kenryan@alaska.net><mailto:kenryan@alaska.net>
Objet: Zenith701801-List: 701/914
?: zenith701801-list@matronics.com<mailto:zenith701801-list@matronics.com>
<kenryan@alaska.net><mailto:kenryan@alaska.net>
I've spoken with Mr. Wood in Colorado who installed a 914 in his 701 about
10 years ago, and who has about 900 hours on it. He is very, very happy.
His reason for going to the 914 was that his strip is at 5000 ft and he nee
ds
13000 ft just to clear the terrain in certain directions. He loves his 914
and
would do it again in an instant.
He also told me that there was no more than a 10 pound weight penalty in
going from the 912ULS to the 914, and that the 914 has been a beautiful,
reliable, trouble-free engine.
I'm wondering if there's anybody else out there with a 914/701
installation,
and if so, their comments.
Thanks,
Ken Ryan
Still-looking-at-701-vs-750
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| Subject: | Re: 801bw is a float plane |
Alvin,
I'm also shopping for floats, but I'm look at next season. Skyshop
seems to be able to get the CZAW floats and I think they are readily
available. I asked CanZac for info and pricing, but didn't get any
useful information other than they are scheduled well into next winter.
Are there other options for Zenair amphib floats ?
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: Alvin Rose
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 6:34 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: 801bw is a float plane
Hello Bill
Congratulations on getting your Zenair on floats..If your aircraft
is porpuseing on full lotus floats usually they are mounted too far
back on
the tubes and needs to be moved forward for better balance..check
the c of g point on the floats and move them forward..I am going to
install Zenair amphib floats on my 701 too..I have had them on order
since february 7th
of this year and have not received them yet..They were promised for
May 15th..Then after Oshkosh was over and now within two weeks of
August 6th..Needless to say I am not very pleased as My Summer flying
will be over before I get them ...but I am looking forward to
receiving them
after this extensive wait time..
Was there a reason why you chose Full Lotus for your aircraft
instead of the Zenair Floats....Has anyone on the list installed the
Zenair floats on their
701..Were they supplied in a timely manner..How do they perform
are you pleased with them..They were designed by Chris Heinz so I am
sure
they should be good...CZAW has started manufacturing floats again.too
Will let the list know how my float situation works out
Also I am writing an article for KITPLANE magazine called BUILDING THE
CH-701....
ONE BUILDERS EXPERIENCE...Should be interesting
Alvin Rose
Zenair CH-701
Marystown, Nfld
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=?iso-8859-1?Q?=3A_701/914?
I'm working in Lake City trying to get a gold mine going,,,,,,,,,,,,future
will tell. Grand Junction is about 4 hours drive from here.
-
Jean-Paul Roy
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De: Keith Ashcraft <keith.ashcraft@itt.com>
Objet: Re: Zenith701801-List: R=E9p. : Zenith701801-List: 701/914
=C0: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Jean-Paul,
Last I knew, he was in the Grand Junction area, (West central, about 20 mil
es from the Utah boarder)
Where is your assignement at here in Colorado?
Keith
CH701-scratch
N 38.9940- (hint - just West of Colorado Springs, CO)
W 105.1305
Alt. 9,100 - (notice, I am 4,000' higher than Mr. Wood)
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Jean-Paul Roy wrote:
Ken, where about in Colorado is Mr. Wood located ? I'm actualy on an assign
ement here in Colorado until october before I-return to Canada. I would l
ike to pay him a visit and see that set-up.-
Jean-Paul Roy
wings skelletons still waiting home
--- En date de-: Lun, 18.8.08, Ken Ryan <kenryan@alaska.net> a =E9crit-
:
De: Ken Ryan <kenryan@alaska.net>
Objet: Zenith701801-List: 701/914
=C0: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
<kenryan@alaska.net>
I've spoken with Mr. Wood in Colorado who installed a 914 in his 701 about
10 years ago, and who has about 900 hours on it. He is very, very happy.
His reason for going to the 914 was that his strip is at 5000 ft and he nee
ds
13000 ft just to clear the terrain in certain directions. He loves his 914
and
would do it again in an instant.
He also told me that there was no more than a 10 pound weight penalty in
going from the 912ULS to the 914, and that the 914 has been a beautiful,
reliable, trouble-free engine.
I'm wondering if there's anybody else out there with a 914/701
installation,
and if so, their comments.
Thanks,
Ken Ryan
Still-looking-at-701-vs-750
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Keith,
Do you use the 912ULS on your 701? How does it work for you at that
altitude?
On 19 Aug 2008 at 7:42, Keith Ashcraft wrote:
> Keith
> CH701-scratch
> N 38.9940 (hint - just West of Colorado Springs, CO)
> W 105.1305
> Alt. 9,100 - (notice, I am 4,000' higher than Mr. Wood)
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A description of the installation, along with contact info, can be viewed here:
http://www.zenithair.com/kit-data/7-914.html
On 19 Aug 2008 at 4:35, Jean-Paul Roy wrote:
> Ken, where about in Colorado is Mr. Wood located ? I'm actualy on an assignement
here in Colorado until october before Ireturn to Canada. I would like to pay
him a visit and see that set-up.
>
> Jean-Paul Roy
> wings skelletons still waiting home
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| Subject: | Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p=2E_=3A_Zenith701?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?801-List=3A_701/914? |
Ken,
Not quite there yet..but... I am going with "something" turbo'd. I have flo
wn with a guy that had a 912S from Paonia, CO (7V2). With both of us (appro
x 320lbs) and approx 1/2 fuel (10gallons) the 701 did a good job. Not exact
ually sure what our TO run was, guessing <200'.but his field elevation is s
till low in altitude approx 5,800'.
I am trying to convence myself that the 914 $28K+ price tag is worth it. Al
so, have been keeping watch on the Raptor105 Diesel engine (comparible to t
he 914). Ramengines.com has a couple of turbo'd engines also( start with a
115hp and end with 140hp)
Gary in Mexico, (I think), tells of his experience of high altitude flying
once in a while, maybe he will jump into the conversation. (maybe do a Matr
onics search on him, in the original zenith list, gary gower, gary growler
not exactly sure, I will have to go back and look at some old emails from h
im)
Keith
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Keith,
Do you use the 912ULS on your 701? How does it work for you at that
altitude?
On 19 Aug 2008 at 7:42, Keith Ashcraft wrote:
Keith
CH701-scratch
N 38.9940 (hint - just West of Colorado Springs, CO)
W 105.1305
Alt. 9,100 - (notice, I am 4,000' higher than Mr. Wood)
--
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ITT Industries
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80919
(719) 599-1787 -- work
(719) 332-4364 -- cell
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=?ISO-8859-1?Q?914?
Good Luck, Maybe you can get hold of Rob Hunker
(www.coloradoaerialviews.com) He is the one I flew with out of Paonia,
CO, which is not too far from where you are now.
He used to have the 701, (that is how he took his pictures), but I don't
see it on the website anymore.
Maybe worth a contact. (so is driving up to Grand Junction for a weekend
to see Mr. Wood, then you can let all of us know what you find
(hint..hint..)
Keith
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Jean-Paul Roy wrote:
> I'm working in Lake City trying to get a gold mine
> going,,,,,,,,,,,,future will tell. Grand Junction is about 4 hours
> drive from here.
>
> Jean-Paul Roy
>
> --- En date de : *Mar, 19.8.08, Keith Ashcraft
> /<keith..ashcraft@itt.com>/* a crit :
>
> De: Keith Ashcraft <keith.ashcraft@itt.com>
> Objet: Re: Zenith701801-List: Rp. : Zenith701801-List: 701/914
> : zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> Date: mardi 19 Aot 2008, 9 h 42
>
> Jean-Paul,
> Last I knew, he was in the Grand Junction area, (West central,
> about 20 miles from the Utah boarder)
> Where is your assignement at here in Colorado?
> Keith
> CH701-scratch
> N 38.9940 (hint - just West of Colorado Springs, CO)
> W 105.1305
> Alt. 9,100 - (notice, I am 4,000' higher than Mr. Wood)
>
> ****************************************************************************
> Jean-Paul Roy wrote:
>
>> Ken, where about in Colorado is Mr. Wood located ? I'm actualy on
>> an assignement here in Colorado until october before I return to
>> Canada. I would like to pay him a visit and see that set-up.
>>
>> Jean-Paul Roy
>> wings skelletons still waiting home
>>
>> --- En date de : *Lun, 18.8.08, Ken Ryan /<kenryan@alaska.net>/*
>> a crit :
>>
>> De: Ken Ryan <kenryan@alaska.net>
>> Objet: Zenith701801-List: 701/914
>> : zenith701801-list@matronics.com
>> Date: lundi 18 Aot 2008, 22 h 45
>>
>><kenryan@alaska.net>
>>
>>I've spoken with Mr. Wood in Colorado who installed a 914 in his 701 about
>>10 years ago, and who has about 900 hours on it. He is very, very happy.
>>
>>His reason for going to the 914 was that his strip is at 5000 ft and he needs
>>13000 ft just to clear the terrain in certain directions. He loves his 914 and
>>would do it again in an instant.
>>
>>He also told me that there was no more than a 10 pound weight penalty in
>>going from the 912ULS to the 914, and that the 914 has been a beautiful,
>>reliable, trouble-free engine.
>>
>>I'm wondering if there's anybody else out there with a 914/701
>>installation,
>>and if so, their comments.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Ken Ryan
>>Still-looking-at-701-vs-750
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Ken Ryan
>>http://kenryan.com
>>"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity,
>>and I'm not sure about the former." -Albert Einstein-
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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You know Keith, being an almost sea level pilot (easthern Canada) , I- lo
ok at the San Juan beast and often wonder how you guys can be so at ease fl
ying them. I guess I would also get used to it. Thanks for the photo link.
I'll try and make contact with Mr. Wood. I will probably contact with you a
s well and have a chat on my way back to Canada via Denver.
Jean-Paul
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Good Luck, Maybe you can get hold of Rob Hunker (www.coloradoaerialviews.co
m) He is the one I flew with out of Paonia, CO, which is not too far from w
here you are now.
He used to have the 701, (that is how he took his pictures), but I don't se
e it on the website anymore.
Maybe worth a contact. (so is driving up to Grand Junction for a weekend to
see Mr. Wood, then you can let all of us know what you find (hint..hint..)
Keith
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Jean-Paul Roy wrote:
I'm working in Lake City trying to get a gold mine going,,,,,,,,,,,,future
will tell. Grand Junction is about 4 hours drive from here.
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Jean-Paul,
Last I knew, he was in the Grand Junction area, (West central, about 20 mil
es from the Utah boarder)
Where is your assignement at here in Colorado?
Keith
CH701-scratch
N 38.9940- (hint - just West of Colorado Springs, CO)
W 105.1305
Alt. 9,100 - (notice, I am 4,000' higher than Mr. Wood)
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Jean-Paul Roy wrote:
Ken, where about in Colorado is Mr. Wood located ? I'm actualy on an assign
ement here in Colorado until october before I-return to Canada. I would l
ike to pay him a visit and see that set-up.-
Jean-Paul Roy
wings skelletons still waiting home
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I've spoken with Mr. Wood in Colorado who installed a 914 in his 701 about
10 years ago, and who has about 900 hours on it. He is very, very happy.
His reason for going to the 914 was that his strip is at 5000 ft and he nee
ds
13000 ft just to clear the terrain in certain directions. He loves his 914
and
would do it again in an instant.
He also told me that there was no more than a 10 pound weight penalty in
going from the 912ULS to the 914, and that the 914 has been a beautiful,
reliable, trouble-free engine.
I'm wondering if there's anybody else out there with a 914/701
installation,
and if so, their comments.
Thanks,
Ken Ryan
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| Subject: | Ch-750 versus Ch-701 |
The debate continues. Some say the ch701 is not x-country, but people do it.
Some say that the 701 can't support a O-200, but they're out there, I have seen
them.
The 750 is going to cost considerably more, and there still is little known information.
How about a real debate guys??
Is it really worth throwing away an extra $5-10K?? If so what do you get?
AMD is talking about offering a Ch-750 for $99k, which is going to becoming very
close to kit-cost if you do QB, with nice panel.
How about a real debate, and some real information??
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| Subject: | Re: Ch-750 versus Ch-701 |
Thats the rub isn't it . A few inches of elbow room, a higher VNE and cruise.
A quicker build for kit builders. A higher approved weight rating for the engine.
A higher gross, but with about the same payload. Higher cash out-lay ....
They will sell a ton of them. But to a slightly different demographic.
I'll just keep building my 701 and counting my penny's.
Kevin
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you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover.
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| Subject: | Re: Ch-750 versus Ch-701 |
The very fact that $5 - 10K enters your mind as expendable says you've
got way too much money and too little time
or ambition to "build a 750". The very best of a Zenith project, 701 or
750 is the complete build process.
The ability to waste that kind of a difference implies you'd probably
hire someone to do the work too. The whole
process, a plans-build would net you a great 750 for $40% of that $99K
or nearer 50% as a kit build.
Give yourself a break, grow and enjoy the process. Otherwise, wait for
a used one and buy it for a lot less
than $99K. You could use a Corvair or Subaru to reduce that by a larger
margin. Simple gages with a GPS
are practical too. I'd say forget quick-build, be a builder and then go
fly with the friends you've made
along the way. What's to debate?
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
do not archive
flicka750 wrote:
>
> The debate continues. Some say the ch701 is not x-country, but people do it.
>
> Some say that the 701 can't support a O-200, but they're out there, I have seen
them.
>
> The 750 is going to cost considerably more, and there still is little known information.
>
> How about a real debate guys??
>
> Is it really worth throwing away an extra $5-10K?? If so what do you get?
>
> AMD is talking about offering a Ch-750 for $99k, which is going to becoming very
close to kit-cost if you do QB, with nice panel.
>
> How about a real debate, and some real information??
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199540#199540
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: [Probable Spam] Ch-750 versus Ch-701 |
I think the debate is about the difference between the 750 & 701. You say your
a 601 builder. To you there is no debate, but you clearly have no intention of
buying a 701 class machine, as your already happy with your 601 low-wing.
I have completed my rudder, and I have ordered the 750 plans. The back order right
now for the 701 is into late for the year for a std-build. At this point in
time, you might get a 750 wing by xmas, the rest is not clear. I was told not
to expect my 750 plans until November, and I ordered it a month ago.
Too me there is a ton of things to debate about, and until I see the 750 plans
I really don't know anything.
I think there are a lot of people right now where I'm at, and some haven't even
yet bought the rudder or finished it. We just found out three weeks the rudder
was the same.
I was told back in June 2008 by Zenith that back-orders for 701 were out past oct2008,
because they were all going to Europe. I was told that post Oshkosh it
would be anyone's guess how far the back-order is out. Like the person who bought
the floats a year ago, and was told may-08, and still hasn't seen them, there
factors that must be put into the debate and analysis.
The whole point of building is save money, and know the plane was well built. The
mention of the AMD-750 was that for $99k you could get a complete well built
plane, the comment was that a normal panel and new O-200 and your looking at
over $60k for a 750, if you throw in quick-build then your look real close to
$70k. Getting real close to just buying a full STC'd plane.
I think there is a lot to debate about, and I don't see the debate taking place.
What I know is that today I can order a 701 full kit for around $13k, and put up
1/2 in cash up front, most likely get the kit by xmas.
For the 750 at best its going to be piece-meal for a year, and we still don't know
if the FAA as and/or will certify the 750, we know the 701 is grand-fathered.
There are a lot of issues.
Teledyne now as a LSA O-200 that might be light enough for the 701, if that is
true then there may be no real reason for the 750 if all you want is a real airplane
engine.
There is a lot to debate about, at this point we really we know nothing.
The debate allows us all to share information, so we can make a decision. Putting
out $40k MIN, cash should require a decision? Right?
There's a lot to think about. Order a 701 and you know what your going to pay,
and you'll probably get the kit by xmas, probably.
Order a 750, and you might get the plans by xmas, and might get the wings by new-year,
and the rest is a complete mystery. There is a lot to think about.
I still only see one reason for me to go with the 750, and that is to get a O-200
class 'real airplane engine'.
I have seen lots of O-200's in 701's, but they're hand-start to keep the weight-down.
I don't want to be hand-starting airplane in the mud where I live.
larry(at)macsmachine.com wrote:
> The very fact that $5 - 10K enters your mind as expendable says you've
> got way too much money and too little time
> or ambition to "build a 750". The very best of a Zenith project, 701 or
> 750 is the complete build process.
> The ability to waste that kind of a difference implies you'd probably
> hire someone to do the work too. The whole
> process, a plans-build would net you a great 750 for $40% of that $99K
> or nearer 50% as a kit build.
> Give yourself a break, grow and enjoy the process. Otherwise, wait for
> a used one and buy it for a lot less
> than $99K. You could use a Corvair or Subaru to reduce that by a larger
> margin. Simple gages with a GPS
> are practical too. I'd say forget quick-build, be a builder and then go
> fly with the friends you've made
> along the way. What's to debate?
>
> Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
> do not archive
>
> flicka750 wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > The debate continues. Some say the ch701 is not x-country, but people do it.
> >
> > Some say that the 701 can't support a O-200, but they're out there, I have
seen them.
> >
> > The 750 is going to cost considerably more, and there still is little known
information.
> >
> > How about a real debate guys??
> >
> > Is it really worth throwing away an extra $5-10K?? If so what do you get?
> >
> > AMD is talking about offering a Ch-750 for $99k, which is going to becoming
very close to kit-cost if you do QB, with nice panel.
> >
> > How about a real debate, and some real information??
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199540#199540
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ch-750 versus Ch-701 |
fica750
Building an airplane takes determination, tenacity and strength of will. You will
be humbled by how much you thought you knew but do not. Kit or plans, the endeavor
requires commitment and a long term one at that. Probably not the wisest
choice if you require instant gratification. Only you can determine the value
of a design suitable for you. The specs are pretty well spelled out on the
Zenith site. Enough so that one should be able to make an informed choice if one
is clear about ones mission. No matter what your choice you will be throwing
money at it. It may cost more than money if your spouse is less than an angel.
If you want someone to tell you what to do or what you should want, don't
start because you won't finish. Larry is spot on about the process being the real
value and the cost comparisons. You would be best served by knowing and informing
yourself. There are many resources available to the newbie to help him
define his mission, one being
the book "kit airplane construction" . These lists are only a small part of what
is available as an informational resource. I would like to point out that
Larry, myself and the majority of serious builders use their real names on these
forums as a courtesy to each other.
Roy Szarafinski
701 Corvair
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From: LarryMcFarland <larry@macsmachine.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 7:58:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Probable Spam] Zenith701801-List: Ch-750 versus Ch-701
The very fact that $5 - 10K enters your mind as expendable says you've
got way too much money and too little time
or ambition to "build a 750". The very best of a Zenith project, 701 or
750 is the complete build process.
The ability to waste that kind of a difference implies you'd probably
hire someone to do the work too. The whole
process, a plans-build would net you a great 750 for $40% of that $99K
or nearer 50% as a kit build.
Give yourself a break, grow and enjoy the process. Otherwise, wait for
a used one and buy it for a lot less
than $99K. You could use a Corvair or Subaru to reduce that by a larger
margin. Simple gages with a GPS
are practical too. I'd say forget quick-build, be a builder and then go
fly with the friends you've made
along the way. What's to debate?
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
do not archive
flicka750 wrote:
>
> The debate continues. Some say the ch701 is not x-country, but people do it.
>
> Some say that the 701 can't support a O-200, but they're out there, I have seen
them.
>
> The 750 is going to cost considerably more, and there still is little known information.
>
> How about a real debate guys??
>
> Is it really worth throwing away an extra $5-10K?? If so what do you get?
>
> AMD is talking about offering a Ch-750 for $99k, which is going to becoming very
close to kit-cost if you do QB, with nice panel.
>
> How about a real debate, and some real information??
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199540#199540
>
>
>
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