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1. 06:21 AM - Re: Ch-750 versus Ch-701 (Tommy Walker)
2. 07:09 AM - Re: Re: Ch-750 versus Ch-701 (Donald Koehnlein)
3. 09:10 AM - Re: Ch-750 versus Ch-701 (gburdett)
4. 01:54 PM - Re: [Probable Spam] Ch-750 versus Ch-701 (kmccune)
5. 03:48 PM - Re: [Probable Spam] Ch-750 versus Ch-701 (Chris Lewis)
6. 05:19 PM - Re: Re: Ch-750 versus Ch-701 (Art Olechowski)
7. 05:45 PM - N73EX First Flight (George Race)
8. 05:58 PM - Re: N73EX First Flight (n801bh@netzero.com)
9. 06:03 PM - Re: N73EX First Flight (Ken Ryan)
10. 06:06 PM - Re: N73EX First Flight (Art Olechowski)
11. 06:34 PM - Re: N73EX First Flight (Tommy Walker)
12. 06:53 PM - Re: N73EX First Flight (Roy Szarafinski)
13. 07:34 PM - Re: Elevator Authority (JG)
14. 10:56 PM - Re: N73EX First Flight (ProWash)
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| Subject: | Re: Ch-750 versus Ch-701 |
I don't want to prolong the "debate" but,
I've found after building a 701 that I like building better than flying.
And I like to fly. So, I'm building another 701. I was lucky to find an
abandoned kit and a used "unreal airplane engine", Rotax 912ULS (sorry,
couldn't resist). I think there are probably a hundred or more kits that
were bought and never finished. So the opportunity is there to build one at
a reduced price. Zenith will sell you the individual parts you may need to
re-do any problems you find too.
Or you can make them. I also bought a cheap HF brake to help re-make a few
smaller parts that I need from time to time. The first 701 I built in a
10x20 garage that had a 12 inch slope in the floor from one end to the
other. I had to rub against the wings that were hanging on the walls as I
built the fuselage. It was all great fun. Now, I have the luxury of a
two-car garage to build in. The boss is giving up her side for the duration
of the project and I have LOTS of room. Also, I don't agonize for days
about whether or not to drill or cut. I have more confidence in my
abilities (still screw up some though).
If the 750 model had been available, I would have probably started to build
it. But really, the 701 does everything I want. When I get in the sky, I
have reached my destination. Although I do have plans to fly around the
Southeast for trips up to a couple hundred miles. Price is certainly a
consideration in building. N8701, "Wing Walker" weighs 604 lbs. That means
we have 496 lbs available for fuel, pax, etc.
We are going to put one of our planes up for sale in October. Buy the one
we're flying that has 74 hours and a fresh annual, or buy the one we're
building and choose the panel and paint. I'll make you a good deal. :-)
When I first started flying our 701, I thought the 912ULS has way too much
power, but now I like the fact that it is there. That's why I bought
another 912, in excellent condition, albeit used. I got a good deal on a
well maintained Rotax.
Some people seem to like to dis the Rotax, talking about all the AD's, etc.
My Continental GO-300 had more AD's than the Rotax. But, I do understand
that people really are just promoting their own engine choice and choose to
make their decision sound better by knocking the other engine (Rotax,
Suzuki, Corvair, Subaru, etc.). I say everyone should just be happy about
what they have and not bad mouth the competition to promote their decision
about something else..
Tommy Walker in Alabama
Standing Down
And definitely Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Ch-750 versus Ch-701 |
Well said Tommy! Quoting the famous philosopher and
drug addict Rodney King "Can't we just all just get
along"
--- Tommy Walker <twalker@cableone.net> wrote:
> I don't want to prolong the "debate" but,
>
>
>
> I've found after building a 701 that I like building
> better than flying.
> And I like to fly. So, I'm building another 701. I
> was lucky to find an
> abandoned kit and a used "unreal airplane engine",
> Rotax 912ULS (sorry,
> couldn't resist). I think there are probably a
> hundred or more kits that
> were bought and never finished. So the opportunity
> is there to build one at
> a reduced price. Zenith will sell you the
> individual parts you may need to
> re-do any problems you find too.
>
>
>
> Or you can make them. I also bought a cheap HF
> brake to help re-make a few
> smaller parts that I need from time to time. The
> first 701 I built in a
> 10x20 garage that had a 12 inch slope in the floor
> from one end to the
> other. I had to rub against the wings that were
> hanging on the walls as I
> built the fuselage. It was all great fun. Now, I
> have the luxury of a
> two-car garage to build in. The boss is giving up
> her side for the duration
> of the project and I have LOTS of room. Also, I
> don't agonize for days
> about whether or not to drill or cut. I have more
> confidence in my
> abilities (still screw up some though).
>
>
>
> If the 750 model had been available, I would have
> probably started to build
> it. But really, the 701 does everything I want.
> When I get in the sky, I
> have reached my destination. Although I do have
> plans to fly around the
> Southeast for trips up to a couple hundred miles.
> Price is certainly a
> consideration in building. N8701, "Wing Walker"
> weighs 604 lbs. That means
> we have 496 lbs available for fuel, pax, etc.
>
>
>
> We are going to put one of our planes up for sale in
> October. Buy the one
> we're flying that has 74 hours and a fresh annual,
> or buy the one we're
> building and choose the panel and paint. I'll make
> you a good deal. :-)
>
>
>
> When I first started flying our 701, I thought the
> 912ULS has way too much
> power, but now I like the fact that it is there.
> That's why I bought
> another 912, in excellent condition, albeit used. I
> got a good deal on a
> well maintained Rotax.
>
>
>
> Some people seem to like to dis the Rotax, talking
> about all the AD's, etc.
> My Continental GO-300 had more AD's than the Rotax.
> But, I do understand
> that people really are just promoting their own
> engine choice and choose to
> make their decision sound better by knocking the
> other engine (Rotax,
> Suzuki, Corvair, Subaru, etc.). I say everyone
> should just be happy about
> what they have and not bad mouth the competition to
> promote their decision
> about something else..
>
>
>
> Tommy Walker in Alabama
>
> Standing Down
>
> And definitely Do Not Archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ch-750 versus Ch-701 |
Re: How about a real debate, and some real information??
How about not. [Wink]
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| Subject: | Re: [Probable Spam] Ch-750 versus Ch-701 |
OK, I'll bite.
Debate what? We have 3 awesome Zenith STOL machines to choose from, pick the one
you like the most for your own reasons.
Kevin
--------
Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that
you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover.
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| Subject: | Re: [Probable Spam] Ch-750 versus Ch-701 |
I'll jump into this since I've been dealing with this debate for some time - as
a Chris H. - approved builder of a 110% 701 that's designed to 1320# and for
Corvair power.
I've also ordered the 750 plans to compare to my approved mark-ups. I'm slowly
scratch building and may switch over to the "real" 750 or I may stay with my hybrid
and adopt some of the features of the 750 which has many, many improvements
over the 701.
I started down my path because at 6'-4" and 240 pounds, I had to take the cushions
out of the factory demonstrator to go for a ride with Roger. It was COZY to
say the least and Roger's not a big guy. Also - having my knees in the panel
was not fun or safe.
The 750 is perfect for guys like me. Like Tommy, I'm enjoying the process, the
skills I'm picking up and the people I've met along the way (and I have a long
way to go - but am in no hurry). The 701 just wouldn't have worked for me and
I'd have been left out of this hobby.
I believe that Zenith got enough comments and efforts from guys like me to make
a go of this and when I spoke with Sebastian about this at the open house, he
says that Zenith sees a market for both planes for all of the reasons stated
above and previously.
In a hurry? Buy a built plane or stalled-progress kit. Got some time? It only keeps
getting better. If you've seen the 750 in person, you'll know what I mean.
It is really the pinnacle of this series and well worth waiting for for guys
like me.
Something for everyone.
Enjoy!
Chris in Seattle
--------
701 Scratch Builder
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| Subject: | Re: Ch-750 versus Ch-701 |
Tommy-well said, your last sentence nailed it home.
do not archive
Art
--- On Wed, 8/20/08, Tommy Walker <twalker@cableone.net> wrote:
> From: Tommy Walker <twalker@cableone.net>
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Ch-750 versus Ch-701
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 8:21 AM
> I don't want to prolong the "debate" but,
>
>
>
> I've found after building a 701 that I like building
> better than flying.
> And I like to fly. So, I'm building another 701. I
> was lucky to find an
> abandoned kit and a used "unreal airplane
> engine", Rotax 912ULS (sorry,
> couldn't resist). I think there are probably a hundred
> or more kits that
> were bought and never finished. So the opportunity is
> there to build one at
> a reduced price. Zenith will sell you the individual parts
> you may need to
> re-do any problems you find too.
>
>
>
> Or you can make them. I also bought a cheap HF brake to
> help re-make a few
> smaller parts that I need from time to time. The first 701
> I built in a
> 10x20 garage that had a 12 inch slope in the floor from one
> end to the
> other. I had to rub against the wings that were hanging on
> the walls as I
> built the fuselage. It was all great fun. Now, I have the
> luxury of a
> two-car garage to build in. The boss is giving up her side
> for the duration
> of the project and I have LOTS of room. Also, I don't
> agonize for days
> about whether or not to drill or cut. I have more
> confidence in my
> abilities (still screw up some though).
>
>
>
> If the 750 model had been available, I would have probably
> started to build
> it. But really, the 701 does everything I want. When I
> get in the sky, I
> have reached my destination. Although I do have plans to
> fly around the
> Southeast for trips up to a couple hundred miles. Price
> is certainly a
> consideration in building. N8701, "Wing Walker"
> weighs 604 lbs. That means
> we have 496 lbs available for fuel, pax, etc.
>
>
>
> We are going to put one of our planes up for sale in
> October. Buy the one
> we're flying that has 74 hours and a fresh annual, or
> buy the one we're
> building and choose the panel and paint. I'll make you
> a good deal. :-)
>
>
>
> When I first started flying our 701, I thought the 912ULS
> has way too much
> power, but now I like the fact that it is there.
> That's why I bought
> another 912, in excellent condition, albeit used. I got a
> good deal on a
> well maintained Rotax.
>
>
>
> Some people seem to like to dis the Rotax, talking about
> all the AD's, etc.
> My Continental GO-300 had more AD's than the Rotax.
> But, I do understand
> that people really are just promoting their own engine
> choice and choose to
> make their decision sound better by knocking the other
> engine (Rotax,
> Suzuki, Corvair, Subaru, etc.). I say everyone should just
> be happy about
> what they have and not bad mouth the competition to promote
> their decision
> about something else..
>
>
>
> Tommy Walker in Alabama
>
> Standing Down
>
> And definitely Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | N73EX First Flight |
This evening, N73EX took wing for the first time. I left my short field and
went to a nearby 1700 foot grass strip and did 6 landings. Did not fly back
to my strip as I did not feel comfortable with my "spot" landing skills as
of yet. Maybe tomorrow morning, providing calm winds, will get in some more
time and learn to hit the spot a little better.
First take off was a real thrill. Like a friend of my said about his first
takeoff, "it took off like an angel headed for home, and never looked back."
Thanks Dan, you are right!
It is well worth the three year building process to make the first flight.
All I can say is almost unbelievable
George
39 Hours To Go
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| Subject: | Re: N73EX First Flight |
Congrats to you George,, That first flight is a feeling that absoluty ca
nnot be duplicated..
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "George Race" <mykitairplane@mrrace.com> wrote:
This evening, N73EX took wing for the first time. I left my short field
and went to a nearby 1700 foot grass strip and did 6 landings. Did not
fly back to my strip as I did not feel comfortable with my "spot" landi
ng skills as of yet. Maybe tomorrow morning, providing calm winds, will
get in some more time and learn to hit the spot a little better. First
take off was a real thrill. Like a friend of my said about his first ta
keoff, "it took off like an angel headed for home, and never looked back
." Thanks Dan, you are right! It is well worth the three year building
process to make the first flight. All I can say is almost unbelievable
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| Subject: | Re: N73EX First Flight |
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Fantastic!
On 20 Aug 2008 at 20:44, George Race wrote:
>
> This evening, N73EX took wing for the first time. I left my short field and went
to a nearby 1700
> foot grass strip and did 6 landings. Did not fly back to my strip as I did not
feel comfortable with
> my "spot" landing skills as of yet. Maybe tomorrow morning, providing calm winds,
will get in
> some more time and learn to hit the spot a little better.
>
> First take off was a real thrill. Like a friend of my said about his first takeoff,
"it took off like an
> angel headed for home, and never looked back." Thanks Dan, you are right!
>
> It is well worth the three year building process to make the first flight. All
I can say is almost
> unbelievable
>
> George
> 39 Hours To Go
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith701801-List
>
>
>
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Ken Ryan
http://kenryan.com
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity,
and I'm not sure about the former." -Albert Einstein-
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| Subject: | Re: N73EX First Flight |
George,
Congrats to your the end of the long endeavor and welcome to the open skies. Go
Fly! Post pictures too!
do not archive
Art
--- On Wed, 8/20/08, George Race <mykitairplane@mrrace.com> wrote:
> From: George Race <mykitairplane@mrrace.com>
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: N73EX First Flight
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 7:44 PM
> This evening, N73EX took wing for the first time. I left my
> short field and
> went to a nearby 1700 foot grass strip and did 6 landings.
> Did not fly back
> to my strip as I did not feel comfortable with my
> "spot" landing skills as
> of yet. Maybe tomorrow morning, providing calm winds, will
> get in some more
> time and learn to hit the spot a little better.
>
> First take off was a real thrill. Like a friend of my said
> about his first
> takeoff, "it took off like an angel headed for home,
> and never looked back."
> Thanks Dan, you are right!
>
> It is well worth the three year building process to make
> the first flight.
> All I can say is almost unbelievable
>
> George
> 39 Hours To Go
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| Subject: | Re: N73EX First Flight |
George,
That is a once in a lifetime feeling isn't it?
C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S ! ! ! ! !
Tommy
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Tommy Walker
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| Subject: | Re: N73EX First Flight |
Nice work George, congrats.
Roy
----- Original Message ----
From: George Race <mykitairplane@mrrace.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:44:25 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: N73EX First Flight
This evening, N73EX
took wing for the first time. I left my short field and went to a nearby
1700 foot grass strip and did 6 landings. Did not fly back to my strip as
I did not feel comfortable with my "spot" landing skills as of yet. Maybe
tomorrow morning, providing calm winds, will get in some more time and learn to
hit the spot a little better.
First take off was a
real thrill. Like a friend of my said about his first takeoff, "it took
off like an angel headed for home, and never looked back." Thanks Dan, you
are right!
It is well worth the
three year building process to make the first flight. All I can say is
almost unbelievable
George
39 Hours To
Go
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Authority |
Gday All,
I'm a bit late in replying to this thread because I've been away to
Oshkosh followed by a family reunion in Canada.
It was really heartening at Oshkosh to see that all three display
aircraft at the Zenith stand had my Stolspeed VGs installed on the
elevators. I knew that chief pilot Roger had been recommending them to
customers for some time, and orders have been increasing. Roger
suggested that Zenith would like to sell the Stolspeed VGs direct on
their website. I agreed with this, and we are setting up that system
now. It may take a little while until that is up and running, but in
the meantime you can order direct from the manufacturer at
http://www.stolspeed.com/ordering-feathers-vgs/
At Stolspeed we discovered the idea of placing VGs directly on the
elevator rather than just on the horiz stab, and did all the testing and
proving. The results are a dramatic improvement in elevator authority,
as verified by Roger at Zenith. The story with photos can be seen at
http://www.stolspeed.com/tail-feathers/ ,
and installation instructions can be seen at
http://www.stolspeed.com/placing-vgs-on-the-701/
and
http://www.stolspeed.com/installing-feathers-vgs/ .
I believe that at Stolspeed we have more real life experience and have
done more real life experimenting, including controlled engineering
testing and video tuft testing than anyone else in the field of applying
VGs to light recreational aircraft. I already have 8 hours of video
tuft testing on file, and since each test uses only about 10 minutes of
video, that's a lot of flights. I flew 240 hrs last year, much of that
in testing and evaluation on 701, Savannah, and Rans S7 aircraft. Still
going at it and lots more to come. Working on fuel comsumption and fuel
efficiency right now, and getting some very interesting results. The
problem is getting enough time on the computer to publish these results
- I'd far rather be flying and testing...... So right now I'm off to
the airfield again.......
Tailwinds always,
JG
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| Subject: | Re: N73EX First Flight |
Nice going George. I hope to have my 701 in the air in a month or so.
--------
R Craig
North Central Arkansas
701 SP Nearly Done
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