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1. 08:35 AM - First Flight Pictures of N73EX (George Race)
2. 08:48 AM - Re: First Flight Pictures of N73EX (Randall J. Hebert)
3. 09:05 AM - CH-701 + Jabiru 3300 - why is zenusa & zencan different? (flicka750)
4. 09:28 AM - Re: CH-701 + Jabiru 3300 - why is zenusa & zencan different? (Joemotis@aol.com)
5. 09:38 AM - Re: CH-701 + Jabiru 3300 - why is zenusa & zencan different? (Joemotis@aol.com)
6. 09:40 AM - Re: CH-701 + Jabiru 3300 - why is zenusa & zencan different? (MacDonald Doug)
7. 10:12 AM - Re: First Flight Pictures of N73EX (John Marzulli)
8. 10:26 AM - Re: First Flight Pictures of N73EX (gburdett)
9. 12:39 PM - Re: Elevator Authority (Chris Lewis)
10. 02:24 PM - Re: CH-701 + Jabiru 3300 - why is zenusa & zencan different? (kmccune)
11. 05:37 PM - Re: CH-701 + Jabiru 3300 - why is zenusa & zencan different? (Graeme)
12. 06:53 PM - Re: CH-701 + Jabiru 3300 - why is zenusa & zencan different? (John Lenhardt)
13. 09:30 PM - Re: Re: Elevator Authority (JG)
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| Subject: | First Flight Pictures of N73EX |
Below is the address of pictures of my first flight in N73EX.
Building and flying your own airplane is an experience of a lifetime, and a
life long dream coming true for me.
Barb, my wife, says I can't seem to get the smile off of my face!
The address for flight pictures is:
http://www.mykitairplane.com/chat/
If you want to see pictures of the building process you can go to:
http://www.mykitairplane.com/MyCH701
Thanks for letting me share this with all of you, friends are so great to
have.
George
N73EX
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| Subject: | First Flight Pictures of N73EX |
Great George
I really like the CD. There are awesome shots of things I missed on the
plans and will re-check and add to mine
Randall J Hebert
Randall J Hebert & Associates, Inc
Consulting Engineers
Ph 337-261-1976 Fx 337-261-1977
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
George Race
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 10:35 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: First Flight Pictures of N73EX
Below is the address of pictures of my first flight in N73EX.
Building and flying your own airplane is an experience of a lifetime,
and a life long dream coming true for me.
Barb, my wife, says I can't seem to get the smile off of my face!
The address for flight pictures is:
http://www.mykitairplane.com/chat/
If you want to see pictures of the building process you can go to:
http://www.mykitairplane.com/MyCH701
Thanks for letting me share this with all of you, friends are so great
to have.
George
N73EX
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| Subject: | CH-701 + Jabiru 3300 - why is zenusa & zencan different? |
I have noticed that the USA zenair site, makes no explicit approval of the the
JAB3300.
Yet, on the CAN-ZEN site, they explicitly say that the JAB3300 is a suggested engine
for the 701.
Anybody have any ideas? I know that two different brothers are running two different
companys, and certainly Canadians are comfy with the K-ROO engine.
It really seems that the USA zen site is steering people towards Rotax for the
701, but JAB in Canada.
Is the ZEN-CAN QB 701 a little stronger up front for the slightly higher HP? I
don't really feel that the JAB3300 is that powerful, you have to be running at
3300rpm to get 120HP, the 2900 @ 100HP is more realistic.
My question is that the USA vs CAN ZEN sites seem to be talking about two different
701's. Anybody know the straight story??
I'm seeing MORE&MORE JAB3300's on 701's, it seems to be the best bang for the buck.
At this point I'm assuming that both 701's are the same (us&can), I know Chris
Heintz speaks highly of the JAB from his oshkosh talks, so you know its got his
seal-of-approval.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199927#199927
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| Subject: | Re: CH-701 + Jabiru 3300 - why is zenusa & zencan different? |
I just looked at the CAN ZAC site for the 701 and the suggested engine is
the Rotax.
Where exactly were you looking? Have a link? I have researched the Jab 3300
on a 701 and a lot of the feed back was you would have cooling issues.
Joe Motis Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: CH-701 + Jabiru 3300 - why is zenusa & zencan different? |
In a message dated 8/22/2008 9:06:08 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
flicka401@gmail.com writes:
Anybody have any ideas? I know that two different brothers are running two
different company's, and
The Fsat-Build Kit is supplied "firewall-back" to allow for easy
installation of your choice of engine, including Rotax 912S,Jabiru 3300, Continental
O-200 and more.
"Your choice of engine" is not a recommendation.
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| Subject: | Re: CH-701 + Jabiru 3300 - why is zenusa & zencan different? |
Flicka, first, if you are going to regularly post here would you please do us the
courtesy of signing with at least a first name so we can call you something
real.
Secondly, are you refering to the Zenair site or the CAN-ZAC website when you refer
to Zenith Canada? I don't recall ever seeing an endorsment of the Jabiru
as a suggested engine on any of the Zenith websites that I have ever visited.
I have heard them wholehartedly endorsed for use on the 601/650 but never on
the 701. Admittedly though, I have not really dug into the Zenair website too
deeply so I could easily be wrong about that. Jabiru USA however, endorses
the 3300 on the 701 because they want to sell us 701 builders the more expensive
engine.
It all comes back to torque. The Jabiru is a direct drive engine and therefore
limited in prop length. A shorter prop works well on a higher speed 601/650.
If you want to hop out of the hole quickly as in "STOL", the longer props compatible
with the 912 is going to give more performance. If price is a concern,
I think the Jab 3300 is around the same price as the 912 100hp.
Now the 80hp Jabiru is a bit cheaper that either of the 912 Rotaxes but they have
lost quite a bit of their price advantage over the last few years. Personally,
I would not have even considered the Jabiru 80hp as a STOL engine but I have
to admit the pictures of George Race's first flight that he just posted shows
that it is capable of getting off the ground very quickly. I now have significanly
more respect for this installation.
What it all comes down to is choice. Lets face it, they are all good engines when
they run right and all pieces of crap when they don't. if you are looking
for a good comparison of the alternatives to Rotax power, Jon Croke (homebuilthelp.com)
sells a great DVD that shows several of the competitor products.
It is well worth the price of admission.
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch Builder
NW Ontario, Canada
Do not archive
--- On Fri, 8/22/08, flicka750 <flicka401@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: flicka750 <flicka401@gmail.com>
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: CH-701 + Jabiru 3300 - why is zenusa & zencan different?
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 11:04 AM
> "flicka750" <flicka401@gmail.com>
>
> I have noticed that the USA zenair site, makes no explicit
> approval of the the JAB3300.
>
> Yet, on the CAN-ZEN site, they explicitly say that the
> JAB3300 is a suggested engine for the 701.
>
> Anybody have any ideas? I know that two different brothers
> are running two different companys, and certainly Canadians
> are comfy with the K-ROO engine.
>
> It really seems that the USA zen site is steering people
> towards Rotax for the 701, but JAB in Canada.
>
> Is the ZEN-CAN QB 701 a little stronger up front for the
> slightly higher HP? I don't really feel that the JAB3300
> is that powerful, you have to be running at 3300rpm to get
> 120HP, the 2900 @ 100HP is more realistic.
>
> My question is that the USA vs CAN ZEN sites seem to be
> talking about two different 701's. Anybody know the
> straight story??
>
> I'm seeing MORE&MORE JAB3300's on 701's, it
> seems to be the best bang for the buck.
>
> At this point I'm assuming that both 701's are the
> same (us&can), I know Chris Heintz speaks highly of the
> JAB from his oshkosh talks, so you know its got his
> seal-of-approval.
>
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight Pictures of N73EX |
Congrats!
DO NOT ARCHIVE!
John Marzulli
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
http://www.GenevieveMarzulli.org/
http://www.JohnMarzulli.net/
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 8:35 AM, George Race <mykitairplane@mrrace.com>wrote:
> Below is the address of pictures of my first flight in N73EX.
>
> Building and flying your own airplane is an experience of a lifetime, and a
> life long dream coming true for me.
>
> Barb, my wife, says I can't seem to get the smile off of my face!
>
> The address for flight pictures is:
> http://www.mykitairplane.com/chat/
>
> If you want to see pictures of the building process you can go to:
> http://www.mykitairplane.com/MyCH701
>
>
> Thanks for letting me share this with all of you, friends are so great to
> have.
>
> George
> N73EX
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight Pictures of N73EX |
WOW What a takeoff! Way to go George.It looks like you leaped off under a 100 feet.
And your own strip-life is good.
Gary Burdett
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199943#199943
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Authority |
John - I also spotted these at the Hangar day event in June. Glad to see that your
efforts are starting to pay off with the factory. :)
I wonder if they will try them on a set of wings in the not too distant future...
Chris in Seattle
--------
701 Scratch Builder
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=199962#199962
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| Subject: | Re: CH-701 + Jabiru 3300 - why is zenusa & zencan different? |
I also can not find the reference to the 3300 on the CanZac, site they recommend
the Rotax.
PS
Kevin
PS Marks last name is not Heintz
do not archive
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you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover.
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| Subject: | Re: CH-701 + Jabiru 3300 - why is zenusa & zencan different? |
Jabiru engines and 701 is ok but not recomend
the problems they are having with the jabiru engines is often attributed to
cooling,
in a fast aircraft like a Jabiru or CH601 install is ok but If I had the
money I would have a 912S Rotax in my ch701
If I were Building a CH601 I would also have a 912S. No money S/hand
Aircraft engine.
I have a S/Hand 912 80 HP wilt 912xtra pistons (95hp!!maybe!) and am happy
with the Price and Performance in My 701 two up.
Graemecns
Australia
----- Original Message -----
From: "MacDonald Doug" <dougsnash@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 2:40 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: CH-701 + Jabiru 3300 - why is zenusa &
zencan different?
> <dougsnash@yahoo.com>
>
> Flicka, first, if you are going to regularly post here would you please do
> us the courtesy of signing with at least a first name so we can call you
> something real.
>
> Secondly, are you refering to the Zenair site or the CAN-ZAC website when
> you refer to Zenith Canada? I don't recall ever seeing an endorsment of
> the Jabiru as a suggested engine on any of the Zenith websites that I have
> ever visited. I have heard them wholehartedly endorsed for use on the
> 601/650 but never on the 701. Admittedly though, I have not really dug
> into the Zenair website too deeply so I could easily be wrong about that.
> Jabiru USA however, endorses the 3300 on the 701 because they want to sell
> us 701 builders the more expensive engine.
>
> It all comes back to torque. The Jabiru is a direct drive engine and
> therefore limited in prop length. A shorter prop works well on a higher
> speed 601/650. If you want to hop out of the hole quickly as in "STOL",
> the longer props compatible with the 912 is going to give more
> performance. If price is a concern, I think the Jab 3300 is around the
> same price as the 912 100hp.
>
> Now the 80hp Jabiru is a bit cheaper that either of the 912 Rotaxes but
> they have lost quite a bit of their price advantage over the last few
> years. Personally, I would not have even considered the Jabiru 80hp as a
> STOL engine but I have to admit the pictures of George Race's first flight
> that he just posted shows that it is capable of getting off the ground
> very quickly. I now have significanly more respect for this installation.
>
> What it all comes down to is choice. Lets face it, they are all good
> engines when they run right and all pieces of crap when they don't. if
> you are looking for a good comparison of the alternatives to Rotax power,
> Jon Croke (homebuilthelp.com) sells a great DVD that shows several of the
> competitor products. It is well worth the price of admission.
>
> Doug MacDonald
> CH-701 Scratch Builder
> NW Ontario, Canada
>
> Do not archive
>
> --- On Fri, 8/22/08, flicka750 <flicka401@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: flicka750 <flicka401@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Zenith701801-List: CH-701 + Jabiru 3300 - why is zenusa & zencan
>> different?
>> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
>> Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 11:04 AM
>> "flicka750" <flicka401@gmail.com>
>>
>> I have noticed that the USA zenair site, makes no explicit
>> approval of the the JAB3300.
>>
>> Yet, on the CAN-ZEN site, they explicitly say that the
>> JAB3300 is a suggested engine for the 701.
>>
>> Anybody have any ideas? I know that two different brothers
>> are running two different companys, and certainly Canadians
>> are comfy with the K-ROO engine.
>>
>> It really seems that the USA zen site is steering people
>> towards Rotax for the 701, but JAB in Canada.
>>
>> Is the ZEN-CAN QB 701 a little stronger up front for the
>> slightly higher HP? I don't really feel that the JAB3300
>> is that powerful, you have to be running at 3300rpm to get
>> 120HP, the 2900 @ 100HP is more realistic.
>>
>> My question is that the USA vs CAN ZEN sites seem to be
>> talking about two different 701's. Anybody know the
>> straight story??
>>
>> I'm seeing MORE&MORE JAB3300's on 701's, it
>> seems to be the best bang for the buck.
>>
>> At this point I'm assuming that both 701's are the
>> same (us&can), I know Chris Heintz speaks highly of the
>> JAB from his oshkosh talks, so you know its got his
>> seal-of-approval.
>>
>
>
> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
> 6:32 PM
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CH-701 + Jabiru 3300 - why is zenusa & zencan different? |
Just out of curiosity has anyone installed or considered installing an
AeroVee VW 80hp? It sounds like it would have the same problems as the
J2200, but at 1/2 the cost. :)
John
> It all comes back to torque. The Jabiru is a direct drive engine and
> therefore limited in prop length. A shorter prop works well on a higher
> speed 601/650. If you want to hop out of the hole quickly as in "STOL",
> the longer props compatible with the 912 is going to give more
> performance. If price is a concern, I think the Jab 3300 is around the
> same price as the 912 100hp.
>
> Now the 80hp Jabiru is a bit cheaper that either of the 912 Rotaxes but
> they have lost quite a bit of their price advantage over the last few
> years. Personally, I would not have even considered the Jabiru 80hp as a
> STOL engine but I have to admit the pictures of George Race's first flight
> that he just posted shows that it is capable of getting off the ground
> very quickly. I now have significanly more respect for this installation.
>
>
> Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Authority |
Gday Kevin,
Yeh, I wouldn't go that far to Oshkosh again. I was disappointed in
seeing only a couple of homebuilt STOL type aircraft flying at the
ultralight strip, where you can get close enough to really judge the
performance..... Seemed like a really good opportunity for them to show
off their action. There was a session for two-seaters but not much
used.....
I'm afraid that VGs in themselves don't give fuel savings. But other
factors such as drag, speed, and prop efficiency do. So this testing
has nothing to do with VGs, just my curiosity and a passion for testing
to get real results. And some day fuel might get really expensive,
then it'll be good to know how to get the best from it, especially for
those of us who fly a lot of x-country.
Tailwinds always,
JG
----- Original Message -----
From: kmccune
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 1:03 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Elevator Authority
<kmccune@somtel.net>
Hi John,
Glad to hear your home safe, short trip for me @200 miles. I don't
think I'd ever go around the world for an airplane get together, so hats
of to you and all those that do this every year! 8)
Now that world rounder thing and the VG fuel savings and extra fuel
tanks and..... now thats another story for after retirement!
Kevin
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things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the
bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your
sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.
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