---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith701801-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/29/08: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:33 AM - Re: Prop Clearance Question (jetboy) 2. 03:15 AM - Re: CH701 Scratch Building Cabin Side (stepinwolf) 3. 04:12 AM - =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9p=2E_=3A_Zenith701801-List=3A_Re=3A_CH701_Scratch_Buil?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?ding_Cabin_Side? (Jean-Paul Roy) 4. 05:33 AM - Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p=2E_=3A_Zenith701?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?801-List=3A_Re=3A_CH701_Scratch_Building_Cabin_?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Side? (Keith Ashcraft) 5. 05:40 AM - Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p=2E_=3A_Zenith701?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?801-List=3A_Re=3A_CH701_Scratch_Building_Cabin_?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Side? (Keith Ashcraft) 6. 06:04 AM - =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Zenith701801-List=3A_R=E9p=2E_=3A_Zenith701801-List?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3A_Re=3A_CH701_Scratch_Building_Cabin_Side? (Jean-Paul Roy) 7. 06:26 AM - RES: Re: Answers for Flicka from Mark Townsend (Mark Colbeck) 8. 06:48 AM - Last word on "flicka" (Zed Smith) 9. 08:21 AM - Two Weeks & Question Still Never Answered ( O-200 in 701 (flicka750) 10. 08:39 AM - Re: Two Weeks & Question Still Never Answered ( O-200 in 701 (JohnDRead@aol.com) 11. 09:18 AM - Re: Two Weeks & Question Still Never Answered ( O-200 in 701 (Charles Chappell) 12. 09:34 AM - List usage guidelines, please glance over (billmileski) 13. 09:38 AM - Re: Last word on "flicka" (Curt Thompson) 14. 10:47 AM - Ken - Increase Gross & ZAC North (Victor Menkal) 15. 11:56 AM - Re: Ken - Increase Gross & ZAC North (kmccune) 16. 12:31 PM - Re: Ken - Increase Gross & ZAC North (Mark Sherman) 17. 01:34 PM - Re: Last word on "flicka" (Roy Szarafinski) 18. 01:41 PM - Re: Zenith701 (John Swanson) 19. 03:10 PM - Re: Re: Zenith701 (Ralph Sharp) 20. 03:41 PM - Re: Zenith701 (flicka750) 21. 03:51 PM - Re: [Probable Spam] Ch-750 versus Ch-701 (flicka750) 22. 07:05 PM - Re: Two Weeks & Question Still Never Answered ( O-200 in 701 (Larry) 23. 10:20 PM - Re: Re: STOL landings in a 701 (Les Goldner) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:33:46 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Prop Clearance Question From: "jetboy" John, I just changed my prop from 60" to 64" and my clearance went from 11" to 9". As I use the 701 in the rough I wouldnt like to get any less. The European design rules (CAP21 BCAR-S) spell out the minimum for a tricycle at 180 mm (7") statically loaded, with the additional requirement that there be positive clearance if the critical tyre is deflated or that strut is fully compressed on a normal tyre. So you are basically OK obviously if you run less you will be changing props more often I've seen this happen to a Subaru powered 601 just traversing a shallow ditch head on - wiped out 2 props in 3 months! At the end of the day its probably better to shorten the blades before something solid does - much cheaper. Adding an inch or so to the strut or forks might help. Ralph -------- Ralph - CH701 / 2200a Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1383#201383 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:15:14 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: CH701 Scratch Building Cabin Side From: "stepinwolf" Keith, I am a little disappointed in you. You " really " forgot to give us your shoe size.. [Rolling Eyes] Bob the 701 & 750 Scratch Three Rivers, Quebec -------- Live each day, as if it was your last Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1385#201385 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:12:38 AM PST US From: Jean-Paul Roy Subject: Zenith701801-List: =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9p=2E_=3A_Zenith701801-List=3A_Re=3A_CH701_Scratch_Buil?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?ding_Cabin_Side? Bob, when I return to Canada probably in late October, I was planning in st opping at Keith's for a visit. I'll get the measurments for you.lolllllllll Have a good one ! Do not archive Jean-Paul Roy Hoping he was in his shop building --- En date de-: Ven, 29.8.08, stepinwolf a =E9crit-: De: stepinwolf Objet: Zenith701801-List: Re: CH701 Scratch Building Cabin Side =C0: zenith701801-list@matronics.com Keith, I am a little disappointed in you. You " really " forgot to give us your shoe size.. [Rolling Eyes] Bob the 701 & 750 Scratch Three Rivers, Quebec -------- Live each day, as if it was your last Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1385#201385 =0A=0A=0A D=E9couvrez les photos les plus int=E9ressantes du jour.=0Ah ttp://www.flickr.com/explore/interesting/7days/ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:08 AM PST US From: Keith Ashcraft Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p=2E_=3A_Zenith701?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?801-List=3A_Re=3A_CH701_Scratch_Building_Cabin_?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Side? WELL..... Jean-Paul, I am REALly looking foward too your visit, and you will see that my shoe size is REALly an 8-1/2!!!! You guys have a good weekend!!!!! Keith (still my real name, even on Fridays) *************************************************************************** ** Jean-Paul Roy wrote: Bob, when I return to Canada probably in late October, I was planning in st opping at Keith's for a visit. I'll get the measurments for you.lolllllllll Have a good one ! Do not archive Jean-Paul Roy Hoping he was in his shop building --- En date de : Ven, 29.8.08, stepinwolf a ?crit : De: stepinwolf Objet: Zenith701801-List: Re: CH701 Scratch Building Cabin Side ?: zenith701801-list@matronics.com Keith, I am a little disappointed in you. You " really " forgot to give us your shoe size.. [Rolling Eyes] Bob the 701 & 750 Scratch Three Rivers, Quebec -------- Live each day, as if it was your last Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1385#201385 ________________________________ Devenez un meilleur amigo gr?ce ? Yahoo! Courriel -- ************************************* Keith Ashcraft ITT Industries Advanced Engineering & Sciences 5009 Centennial Blvd. Colorado Springs, CO 80919 (719) 599-1787 -- work (719) 332-4364 -- cell keith.ashcraft@itt.com keith.ashcraft1@us.army.mil ________________________________ This e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be proprietary and are in tended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addr essed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of ITT Corporati on. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the pres ence of viruses. ITT accepts no liability for any damage caused by any viru s transmitted by this e-mail. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:40:54 AM PST US From: Keith Ashcraft Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p=2E_=3A_Zenith701?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?801-List=3A_Re=3A_CH701_Scratch_Building_Cabin_?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Side? Hey Jean-Paul, Are you going to make it over here to the Colorado Springs area this weeken d for the Balloon Classic? Approx. 100 Balloons, lifting off at around approx. 7:00am in 2 waves. Not as big as Albuquerque, NM, but still a "REAL" good time!! Keith do not archive *************************************************************************** **************** Jean-Paul Roy wrote: Bob, when I return to Canada probably in late October, I was planning in st opping at Keith's for a visit. I'll get the measurments for you.lolllllllll Have a good one ! Do not archive Jean-Paul Roy Hoping he was in his shop building --- En date de : Ven, 29.8.08, stepinwolf a ?crit : De: stepinwolf Objet: Zenith701801-List: Re: CH701 Scratch Building Cabin Side ?: zenith701801-list@matronics.com Keith, I am a little disappointed in you. You " really " forgot to give us your shoe size.. [Rolling Eyes] Bob the 701 & 750 Scratch Three Rivers, Quebec -------- Live each day, as if it was your last Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1385#201385 ________________________________ Devenez un meilleur amigo gr?ce ? Yahoo! Courriel -- ************************************* Keith Ashcraft ITT Industries Advanced Engineering & Sciences 5009 Centennial Blvd. Colorado Springs, CO 80919 (719) 599-1787 -- work (719) 332-4364 -- cell keith.ashcraft@itt.com keith.ashcraft1@us.army.mil ________________________________ This e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be proprietary and are in tended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addr essed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of ITT Corporati on. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the pres ence of viruses. ITT accepts no liability for any damage caused by any viru s transmitted by this e-mail. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:04:40 AM PST US From: Jean-Paul Roy Subject: Zenith701801-List: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Zenith701801-List=3A_R=E9p=2E_=3A_Zenith701801-List?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3A_Re=3A_CH701_Scratch_Building_Cabin_Side? Unfortunatly not Keith, I'm caught with this project 7/7. I have to stay ar ound if I don't want to be here comes X-Mass,,,,,,,,,,,lolllllllll Jean-Paul do not archive --- En date de-: Ven, 29.8.08, Keith Ashcraft a =E9crit-: De: Keith Ashcraft Objet: Re: Zenith701801-List: R=E9p. : Zenith701801-List: Re: CH701 Scratch Building Cabin Side =C0: zenith701801-list@matronics.com Hey Jean-Paul, Are you going to make it over here to the Colorado Springs area this weeken d for the Balloon Classic? Approx. 100 Balloons, lifting off at around approx. 7:00am in 2 waves. Not as big as Albuquerque, NM, but still a "REAL" good time!! Keith do not archive *************************************************************************** **************** Jean-Paul Roy wrote: Bob, when I return to Canada probably in late October, I was planning in st opping at Keith's for a visit. I'll get the measurments for you.lolllllllll Have a good one ! Do not archive Jean-Paul Roy Hoping he was in his shop building --- En date de-: Ven, 29.8.08, stepinwolf a =E9crit-: De: stepinwolf Objet: Zenith701801-List: Re: CH701 Scratch Building Cabin Side =C0: zenith701801-list@matronics.com Keith, I am a little disappointed in you. You " really " forgot to give us your shoe size.. [Rolling Eyes] Bob the 701 & 750 Scratch Three Rivers, Quebec -------- Live each day, as if it was your last Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1385#201385 Devenez un meilleur amigo grce =E0 Yahoo! Courriel ist">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith701801-List ics.com ..matronics.com/contribution -- ************************************* Keith Ashcraft ITT Industries Advanced Engineering & Sciences 5009 Centennial Blvd. Colorado Springs , CO --------------------- 80919 (719) 599-1787 -- work (719) 332-4364 -- cell keith.ashcraft@itt.com keith.ashcraft1@us.army.mil - This e-mail and any files transmitted with it may be proprietary and are in tended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addr essed. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the sender. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of ITT Corporati on. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the pres ence of viruses. ITT accepts no liability for any damage caused by any viru s transmitted by this e-mail. =0A=0A=0A =C0 la recherche du cadeau id=E9al? Offrez Flickr!=0Ahttp:// www.flickr.com/gift/ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:19 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: RES: Re: Answers for Flicka from Mark Townsend From: "Mark Colbeck" Guys I don't chime in often but can we please stop responding or acknowledging Flickoff's posts? He is obviously not building or intending to build and I truly think we are wasting efforts even explaining anything to him or her. This is a great forum for answers, sharing of information and opinions. We have heard Flickoff's opinion now let's move on. -------- CH701 70% Complete www.mykitlog.com/mcolbeck Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1412#201412 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:48:59 AM PST US From: Zed Smith Subject: Zenith701801-List: Last word on "flicka" Mark C., Your use of "Flickoff" was ALMOST correct. Re-boot your 'spell-checker' and re-post! do not archive Regards to ALMOST all, Zed ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:21:36 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Two Weeks & Question Still Never Answered ( O-200 in 701 From: "flicka750" > The CH-701 Fsat-Build Kit is supplied "firewall-back" to allow for easy installation of your choice of engine, including Rotax 912S,Jabiru 3300, Continental O-200 and more. The kit includes all airframe parts, including landing gear , standard fuel system, Acrylic formed Windshield, controls, and all hardware required to finish the airframe assembly. Standard features of the airframe kit include electric elevator trim tab, extended rear baggage compartment, Tundra Tires with hydraulic disk brakes, and more (see equipment list for details). Not included in the Fast- build kit: powerplant and instruments packages, and paint. It's been two weeks since I posted my original question. I still have not seen an answer. I'm a scratch builder. I'm ready to get an engine for my 701. I have also ordered the 750 plans ( post xmas they'll come so says santa-heintz ). The CAN-ZAC site says that you can put a JAB-3300 or a O-200 ( continental 215 LB's ) into a CH-701. I don't like the ROTAX because just a set of pistons is $2,000. Top end work on high-rev engines is frequent. I would really like to put an O-200 into my scratch-built CH-701, the only O-200's I have ever seen in 701's is hand prop, with no battery, starter, or alternator, to keep the weight down. I want to know how CAN-ZAC is putting in O-200's in their 701-QB's?? In two weeks I have caught HELL from this group, but nobody has ever answered the question? -------- flicka750(AT)gmail EINSTEIN:"Common sense is the accumulated prejudices before the age of 18" - Out of My Later Years TWAIN: "Intercourse is life's most over-rated pleasure, defecation is life's most under-rated pleasure" - Letter's From Earth Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1440#201440 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:39:52 AM PST US From: JohnDRead@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Two Weeks & Question Still Never Answered ( O-200 in 701 You are a disrespectful jerk. You are building an Experimental aircraft as an educational project so start thinking for yourself. and stop badmouthing the Zenith people. John Read Phone: 303-648-3261 Fax: 303-648-3262 Cell: 719-494-4567 In a message dated 8/29/2008 9:22:18 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, flicka750@gmail.com writes: --> Zenith701801-List message posted by: "flicka750" > The CH-701 Fsat-Build Kit is supplied "firewall-back" to allow for easy installation of your choice of engine, including Rotax 912S,Jabiru 3300, Continental O-200 and more. The kit includes all airframe parts, including landing gear , standard fuel system, Acrylic formed Windshield, controls, and all hardware required to finish the airframe assembly. Standard features of the airframe kit include electric elevator trim tab, extended rear baggage compartment, Tundra Tires with hydraulic disk brakes, and more (see equipment list for details). Not included in the Fast- build kit: powerplant and instruments packages, and paint. It's been two weeks since I posted my original question. I still have not seen an answer. I'm a scratch builder. I'm ready to get an engine for my 701. I have also ordered the 750 plans ( post xmas they'll come so says santa-heintz ). The CAN-ZAC site says that you can put a JAB-3300 or a O-200 ( continental 215 LB's ) into a CH-701. I don't like the ROTAX because just a set of pistons is $2,000. Top end work on high-rev engines is frequent. I would really like to put an O-200 into my scratch-built CH-701, the only O-200's I have ever seen in 701's is hand prop, with no battery, starter, or alternator, to keep the weight down. I want to know how CAN-ZAC is putting in O-200's in their 701-QB's?? In two weeks I have caught HELL from this group, but nobody has ever answered the question? -------- flicka750(AT)gmail EINSTEIN:"Common sense is the accumulated prejudices before the age of 18" - Out of My Later Years TWAIN: "Intercourse is life's most over-rated pleasure, defecation is life's most under-rated pleasure" - Letter's From Earth Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1440#201440 **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:18:12 AM PST US From: "Charles Chappell" Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Two Weeks & Question Still Never Answered ( O-200 in 701 Mr. Flicka750, Actually Mark answered your question. You just did not like the answer. They build firewall rearward quick build kits. They don't do what you are asking them how to do so he can't answer the question the way you want it answered. Charles Chappell From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JohnDRead@aol.com Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 8:39 AM Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Two Weeks & Question Still Never Answered ( O-200 in 701 You are a disrespectful jerk. You are building an Experimental aircraft as an educational project so start thinking for yourself. and stop badmouthing the Zenith people. I want to know how CAN-ZAC is putting in O-200's in their 701-QB's?? In two weeks I have caught HELL from this group, but nobody has ever answered the question? -------- flicka750(AT)gmail EINSTEIN:"Common sense is the accumulated prejudices before the age of 18" - Out of My Later Years TWAIN: "Intercourse is life's most over-rated pleasure, defecation is life's most under-rated pleasure" - Letter's From Earth ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:34:27 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: List usage guidelines, please glance over From: "billmileski" ****************************************************************************** Zenith-List Usage Guidelines ****************************************************************************** The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Zenith-List. You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein. 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The List isn't about commercialism, but is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to everyone, including those who provide products to the entire community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1457#201457 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:02 AM PST US From: "Curt Thompson" Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Last word on "flicka" Several years ago there was a forum that I had an interest in and viewed from time-to-time. A guy showed up on the list and created nothing but havoc. I mean this guy was REALLY caustic. I ignored him so it was no big deal to me. At one point, some network savvy user found out how to trace this guy's email and got his real name and address. There were some on that forum that were talking about putting a "hit" out on this guy. They were really pissed. A few months later, this guy posted an email to explain that he was a high school student doing a paper for his psychology class. He was writing a paper about how an outsider could go into a tight knit community and create lots of drama. He got an "A" on his paper and thanked everyone on the forum for helping him out. I kind of thought it was funny. Curt Redmond, WA, USA Plans building CH701, working on glued-up wing tanks. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:47:15 AM PST US From: Victor Menkal Subject: Zenith701801-List: Ken - Increase Gross & ZAC North Hi Ken, I missed the post from Chris and his links regarding the increase gross for the 701. Im really interested in that as well. Mark T. and Caleb from the factory have advised me that a number of American and Canadian 701s are registered at 1200 (although Chris does not recommend flying over gross) and my inspector had no problems with it but I am interested to see what changes he made to the spars. As a novice builder dont think Ill be going there but my curiosity is up. Would it be possible to get the link again. Chris are you still there? Most important I see that you have an alaska.net address. Im next door in Whitehorse and I believe Im the first 701 builder in the Yukon. This suprised me is as it seems the 701 was purpose designed for our neck of the woods. Mark T. was astounded to learn that there was a fourth country in North America called Yukonalaska (one word pronounced very quickly) when I attended his workshop. Ive seen some excellent videos on U-Tube with the boys and their 701s on floats in Alaska. Their commentary cracks me up. I just want to see how they stuff the moose in the plane when they go hunting. Would be great to hook up with you folks when Im over raising .... and my door is always open for fellow builders if you ever get over this way. When are we having our first ZAC North fly in? How do you think flickme would fit in up here? Thanx and good luck with the build! Regards Cpt Vic .... just another happy builder having an absolute blast building the best plane in the world with incredible support from Can-Zac and ZAC. Victor Menkal Novice builder Whitehorse Yukon Tail redone a couple of times, one wing kinda done and starting on the next ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:56:13 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Ken - Increase Gross & ZAC North From: "kmccune" I also it appears, missed something. When did this take place? Kevin -------- Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1473#201473 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:31:50 PM PST US From: "Mark Sherman" Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Ken - Increase Gross & ZAC North Victor. You can change the gross weight to what ever you want. You will need to change the load factor in your POH. I have the old kit and have made most of the changes to the SP, but not all. What I have done is, using Chris's calculations on the drawings, I will be using an 1100 lbs gross weight with a load factor of +3.5 and -1.7. Rather than the +4 and -2. This will give me the same load on the aircraft. Mark S. 701/912ULS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Menkal" Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 10:35 AM Subject: Zenith701801-List: Ken - Increase Gross & ZAC North > > Hi Ken, I missed the post from Chris and his links regarding the > increase gross for the 701. Im really interested in that as > well. Mark T. and Caleb from the factory have advised me that a > number of American and Canadian 701s are registered at 1200 (although > Chris does not recommend flying over gross) and my inspector had no > problems with it but I am interested to see what changes he made to > the spars. As a novice builder dont think Ill be going there but my > curiosity is up. > > Would it be possible to get the link again. Chris are you still there? > > Most important I see that you have an alaska.net address. Im next > door in Whitehorse and I believe Im the first 701 builder in the > Yukon. This suprised me is as it seems the 701 was purpose designed > for our neck of the woods. Mark T. was astounded to learn that there > was a fourth country in North America called Yukonalaska (one word > pronounced very quickly) when I attended his workshop. > > Ive seen some excellent videos on U-Tube with the boys and their 701s > on floats in Alaska. Their commentary cracks me up. I just want > to see how they stuff the moose in the plane when they go hunting. > Would be great to hook up with you folks when Im over raising .... > and my door is always open for fellow builders if you ever get over > this way. When are we having our first ZAC North fly in? How do > you think flickme would fit in up here? > > Thanx and good luck with the build! > > Regards Cpt Vic > > .... just another happy builder having an absolute blast building the > best plane in the world with incredible support from Can-Zac and ZAC. > > Victor Menkal > Novice builder > Whitehorse Yukon > Tail redone a couple of times, one wing kinda done and starting on > the next > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 7:07 AM ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:34:51 PM PST US From: Roy Szarafinski Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Last word on "flicka" If this is the case this time, he/she and society would be better served if he took a Dale Carnagie course instead. Maybe not, could be he is a political operative in training, I here there is big money in that. Civil society always needs more of those. :( Roy 701 plans , running corvair, welded fuel tanks ----- Original Message ---- From: Curt Thompson Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 12:36:20 PM Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Last word on "flicka" Several years ago there was a forum that I had an interest in and viewed from time-to-time. A guy showed up on the list and created nothing but havoc. I mean this guy was REALLY caustic. I ignored him so it was no big deal to me. At one point, some network savvy user found out how to trace this guy's email and got his real name and address. There were some on that forum that were talking about putting a "hit" out on this guy. They were really pissed. A few months later, this guy posted an email to explain that he was a high school student doing a paper for his psychology class. He was writing a paper about how an outsider could go into a tight knit community and create lots of drama. He got an "A" on his paper and thanked everyone on the forum for helping him out. I kind of thought it was funny. Curt Redmond, WA, USA Plans building CH701, working on glued-up wing tanks. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:41:00 PM PST US From: "John Swanson" Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Zenith701 I am in the process of registering my CH701. I believe I have the necessary forms but need help in filling them out. Will someone who has already gone thru this process or knows how to fill out the forms contact me, perhaps Emailing copys of the forms they successfully filled out. Thanks John Swanson CH701 N69701 912uls do not archieve ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:10:06 PM PST US From: "Ralph Sharp" Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: Zenith701 John, you can purchase a "registration kit" through the EAA shopping website that includes detailed information as well as the forms you need. Plus it contains a number of other "goodies," e.g., an ID plate, placarding, etc. Ralph Do Not Archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Swanson" Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 1:40 PM Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Zenith701 > > > I am in the process of registering my CH701. I believe I have the > necessary forms > but need help in filling them out... ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:41:16 PM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Zenith701 From: "flicka750" www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certification/aircraft_registry/media/8050-88.pdf - If you google 'faa 8050-88' you'll get the above link, which is a pdf doc that shows how to fill out all the forms. This costs you nothing. jswanson(at)jamadots.com wrote: > I am in the process of registering my CH701. I believe I have the necessary > forms > but need help in filling them out. > Will someone who has already gone thru this process or knows how to fill out > the forms contact me, perhaps Emailing copys of the forms they successfully > filled out. > > Thanks > John Swanson > CH701 N69701 912uls do not archieve -------- flicka750(AT)gmail EINSTEIN:"Common sense is the accumulated prejudices before the age of 18" - Out of My Later Years TWAIN: "Intercourse is life's most over-rated pleasure, defecation is life's most under-rated pleasure" - Letter's From Earth Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1507#201507 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:51:36 PM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: [Probable Spam] Ch-750 versus Ch-701 From: "flicka750" I think this is what I'm looking for is documentation on putting a xl-601 fwf on a 701, for the O-200. Is this 110% 701 documented anywhere for change control?? Given that Heintz doesn't do this 'consulting' anymore, but has done this for this case, there must be autocad docs or pdf's somewhere floating around??? It's obvious that its being done. I hear you, post xmas when I get my '750 plans' then I'll know more, right now all I have is my 701 plans. I really want to do a O-200, with a starter, and the lightest engine I have seen is 215LB's. I suspect that the 750 is a whole new plane. Currently as has been shown we know nothing. Just have to wait for the plans. In the meantime I would like to find the plans for the 110% conversion, e.g. putting the xl-601 firewall on a 701. Chris Lewis wrote: > I'll jump into this since I've been dealing with this debate for some time - as a Chris H. - approved builder of a 110% 701 that's designed to 1320# and for Corvair power. > > I've also ordered the 750 plans to compare to my approved mark-ups. I'm slowly scratch building and may switch over to the "real" 750 or I may stay with my hybrid and adopt some of the features of the 750 which has many, many improvements over the 701. > > I started down my path because at 6'-4" and 240 pounds, I had to take the cushions out of the factory demonstrator to go for a ride with Roger. It was COZY to say the least and Roger's not a big guy. Also - having my knees in the panel was not fun or safe. > > The 750 is perfect for guys like me. Like Tommy, I'm enjoying the process, the skills I'm picking up and the people I've met along the way (and I have a long way to go - but am in no hurry). The 701 just wouldn't have worked for me and I'd have been left out of this hobby. > > I believe that Zenith got enough comments and efforts from guys like me to make a go of this and when I spoke with Sebastian about this at the open house, he says that Zenith sees a market for both planes for all of the reasons stated above and previously. > > In a hurry? Buy a built plane or stalled-progress kit. Got some time? It only keeps getting better. If you've seen the 750 in person, you'll know what I mean. It is really the pinnacle of this series and well worth waiting for for guys like me. > > Something for everyone. > > Enjoy! > > Chris in Seattle -------- flicka750(AT)gmail EINSTEIN:"Common sense is the accumulated prejudices before the age of 18" - Out of My Later Years TWAIN: "Intercourse is life's most over-rated pleasure, defecation is life's most under-rated pleasure" - Letter's From Earth Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1510#201510 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:05:08 PM PST US From: Larry Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Two Weeks & Question Still Never Answered ( O-200 in 701 Flicka, I haven't been following all this goings on until the last week or two, you seemed to gotten sideways with some of the folks for what ever reason. You must have really done or said something bad, I haven't seen so many people so pissed off in a long time. Around here and on most forums you have to learn to chose your words very carefully. It is interesting to watch but it is getting a little old. Sorry if this sounds like a smart ass, but what kind of name is "Flicka", are you a horse? Seems like some think you are part of one. Use your real name, we are all friends. However, to answer your question. It very doable, just a matter of offsetting the 0-200 engine with weight in the tail. I knew a guy in Searcy, Arkansas that put a 0-200 in a 701. I never flew in it, but saw it fly. Seemed to work fine, had a starter too. It was the old model 701, i.e., 1100lb. If I can think of his name I will let you know. It's been like 5 years ago. If you have the skill you can put any engine you want to in a 701, it just a matter of what you want to give up for it. I don't think you will find any plans or anything else on how to do. I put a Subaru 2.5 and a Harley in one, neither one worked for various reasons. The Subaru was too heavy and the Harley vibrated too much. The main thing I've learned is that the whole nature of a 701 is to keep it a light as possible or you defeat the purpose of it being what it is. I think the 0-200 is too heavy but like I said it's been done and probably will be done again, just not by me. Take care, Larry N1345L flicka750 wrote: > > > >> The CH-701 Fsat-Build Kit is supplied "firewall-back" to allow for easy installation of your choice of engine, including Rotax 912S,Jabiru 3300, Continental O-200 and more. The kit includes all airframe parts, including landing gear , standard fuel system, Acrylic formed Windshield, controls, and all hardware required to finish the airframe assembly. Standard features of the airframe kit include electric elevator trim tab, extended rear baggage compartment, Tundra Tires with hydraulic disk brakes, and more (see equipment list for details). Not included in the Fast- build kit: powerplant and instruments packages, and paint. >> > > > It's been two weeks since I posted my original question. I still have not seen an answer. I'm a scratch builder. I'm ready to get an engine for my 701. I have also ordered the 750 plans ( post xmas they'll come so says santa-heintz ). > > The CAN-ZAC site says that you can put a JAB-3300 or a O-200 ( continental 215 LB's ) into a CH-701. I don't like the ROTAX because just a set of pistons is $2,000. Top end work on high-rev engines is frequent. > > I would really like to put an O-200 into my scratch-built CH-701, the only O-200's I have ever seen in 701's is hand prop, with no battery, starter, or alternator, to keep the weight down. > > I want to know how CAN-ZAC is putting in O-200's in their 701-QB's?? > > In two weeks I have caught HELL from this group, but nobody has ever answered the question? > > -------- > flicka750(AT)gmail > EINSTEIN:"Common sense is the accumulated prejudices before the age of 18" - Out of My Later Years > TWAIN: "Intercourse is life's most over-rated pleasure, defecation is life's most under-rated pleasure" - Letter's From Earth > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 1440#201440 > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:20:24 PM PST US From: "Les Goldner" Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Re: STOL landings in a 701 Thanks for your advice "flicka750 (It would be nice if you used a real name). FYI, Christopher Desmond was kind enough to take me on a demo flight and let me fly his 701 before I purchased a kit... So I guess that "no fly before finished" policy is not written in stone. I do know there are some FAA restrictions on using Experimental Light Sports for flight instructions unless the pilot-in-training owns the plane. I also want to let you know that Christopher was also kind enough to spend time with me last week explaining how to make STOL landings. Regards, Les > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On > Behalf Of flicka750 > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:43 PM > To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com > Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: STOL landings in a 701 > > --> > > This is one of the most interesting questions posted this > month, and the poor bloke didn't even get an answer, he was > just told to go learn who Chris Desmond learned from ... > > Well I asked Chris the same question when he was at EAA > Arlington last month. I asked it another way, I told him I > wanted to learn how to fly a 701/750 before I finished mine. > > He told me it was policy of QSP that people not be trained > until their plane was done, now I didn't say anything, but > that sounded like malarkey I mean, why can't a person get > hours, and learn so they know where the heck they're going. I > can get use to anything, but some people really need to learn > to fly these things before they spend 1+ years, and $40k! I > think its not asking too much to fly a 701 before your fork > over the time & money! > > Ok, Now I'll answer the question from my humble opinion. All > the flying that you see is done BEHIND THE POWER CURVE. > > When you say that you flair at 60mph that tells me your in a > slow cruise, and not behind-the-power curve. > > Behind the power curve means that you have a high attack > angle, very high, and very near stall speed, which is 28mph ( > or kts ), give yourself a 15% margin say 35mph would be > slow-flight, very high attack, high RPM, lots of air going > over the rear stabilizer. BASICALLY YOUR FLYING A HELICOPTER, > and your sitting back in a couch. > > So if it were me, and I wanted to learn to that stuff in the > 701 STOL plane, I would spend lots of time at a safe altitude > ( >1500 ft ), and really learn how it handles in slow flight. > Then you'll be able to do the stuff you see the videos at > slow speed with those crazy angles of attack ( nose up ). > > The slats on the CH750 don't really kick in until you have a > very high angle of attack, at that point your 'CL' lift > coefficient is very high, at normal flat cruise, the 'CL' is > completely different. Heintz didn't invent the slat it has > been around forever. There is a lot of old literature on > flying this class of STOL. I saw some awhile back printed by > the Australian AOPA equivalent, and it was very interesting. > > Now back to training, yes it would be nice to go to QSP and > learn to fly a 701, and have someone like Chris Desmond teach > you to do what he does, sadly there doesn't seem to be anyone > doing this, and the folks at QSP are very busy. They seem to > be wanting to sell QB's, and I'm sure if you bought a QB from > them, they would sell you the 5+ hours of 701 training with a CFI. > > Now could folks here provide a list of trainers for the 701? > Probably only 1 or 2 in the USA. > > The problem is insurance, as soon as you have a plane > classified as a trainer, the insurance is 10X, ok instead of > $500/yr hull-only, your talking $5k or MORE. > > So there are no trainers, or very few probably one in > Mexico-MO, and one at QSP and where else? There are probably > a lot of CFI's for the 701, but nobody in their right mind > wants to pay the dual instruction insurance. > > > It's not just ZEN that has this problem, VANS has it also, > there are only a few RV-9's & 7's as tail-draggers in the > country that have instructional insurance. Thus the 1/2 dozen > vans approved instructors have to meet all over the country > with students and use Van's planes for instruction. I think > Vans charges $40/hr for the plane, and the CFI's charge > $120/hr. Not a bad racket. I don't know the numbers for ZEN, > because I couldn't get an answer. No surprise there. > > > [quote="lgold(at)quantum-associat"]Some of the videos on > U-tube seem to show the 701 literally jumping into the sky > and landing in a few plane lengths. I have almost 100 hours > in my new 701 and its time to learn how to improve my STOL > flying skills. > My 701 has a Rotax 100-HP engine with 3-blade Warpdrive > prop. My CG is near the back end of the range due to a BRS > behind the engine compartment. I normally flair at about > 60-MPH a few feet up and use about 400 of runway. My 701 > has Quality Sport Planes 4-position flap control and I > usually land with 10 or 15-degrees of flap. (The device can > provide up to 20-degrees of flap and is really easy to use). > If you have practiced very short landings, please let me > know what technique works best. I would also like to know if > any of you use flaps for take off and what if any benefit > this provides. > Thanks for the advice,Regards, > Les > N67MG > Petaluma Ca. > > > [b] > > > -------- > flicka750(AT)gmail > EINSTEIN:"Common sense is the accumulated prejudices > before the age of 18" > TWAIN: "Intercourse is life's most over-rated pleasure, > defecation is life's most under-rated pleasure" - > Letter's From Earth > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0821#200821 > > > > > > > > Photoshare, and much much more: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith701801-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith701801-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith701801-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith701801-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.