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1. 02:29 AM - Re: Re: Problems with riveting the 701 spars... (John Bolding)
2. 06:16 AM - Re: Re: Problems with riveting the 701 spars... (Carlos Sa)
3. 02:57 PM - Re: [Probable Spam] Ch-750 versus Ch-701 (flicka750)
4. 03:13 PM - Re: Re: [Probable Spam] Ch-750 versus Ch-701 (Al Hays)
5. 03:16 PM - Re: Re: [Probable Spam] Ch-750 versus Ch-701 (Joe Stevenson)
6. 03:49 PM - Re: Elevator Authority (pdknight)
7. 03:54 PM - Flicka (kmccune)
8. 03:58 PM - Re: Problems with riveting the 701 spars... (kmccune)
9. 04:24 PM - Yea.....throw him to the tumblebugs (Zed Smith)
10. 04:33 PM - Re: Yea.....throw him to the tumblebugs (Joemotis@aol.com)
11. 04:37 PM - Re: Flicka (Lee Thomas)
12. 04:39 PM - Re: Flicka (Gary Gower)
13. 05:11 PM - Elevator Authority (Joe Spencer)
14. 06:10 PM - Re: Flicka (kmccune)
15. 06:19 PM - Re: Re: Elevator Authority (Ken Ryan)
16. 06:21 PM - Re: Elevator Authority (kmccune)
17. 06:32 PM - Re: Re: [Probable Spam] Ch-750 versus Ch-701 (Larry)
18. 06:35 PM - Re: Elevator Authority (pdknight)
19. 07:10 PM - Re: Elevator Authority (kmccune)
20. 07:20 PM - RES: Re: Flicka (Francisco Espuny)
21. 07:27 PM - Re: Elevator Authority (pdknight)
22. 08:13 PM - Re: Flicka (Dan)
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| Subject: | Re: Problems with riveting the 701 spars... |
If you have compressed air I'll send you my gun . Contact me off list
if you wish to borrow them. John
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Vechinski
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 8:37 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Re: Problems with riveting the 701
spars...
Thanks everyone for responding to my email. I appreciate all of the
insight. I have since drilled out my six or seven rivets, and the spar
returned to straight. What I plan on doing next is to set up the spar
so that my rivet location will be slightly higher than the ends, and I
will start with one rivet in the center of the spar, but then will set a
couple rivets on each end. Then I will fill in between the rivets until
the spar is riveted. Hopefully this will minimize any curving.
Someone mentioned that the hammer method for setting rivets is
probably the least desirable. Unfortunately, I do not have access to a
rivet gun, and I definitely don't have access to a power squeezer.
Maybe someday. I will let everyone know what happens with the spars,
hopefully in the next few weeks.
Ryan Vechinski
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> Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Problems with riveting the 701
spars...
> From: ekholmbk@lakedalelink.net
> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 20:52:30 -0700
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
>
<ekholmbk@lakedalelink.net>
>
> I scratch built my spars using a rivet gun and bucking bar and had
the same curvature, probably about an inch, when it was complete. I had
the spar angles secured to the table so I didn't even notice until I was
done riveting. The blows of the rivet gun probably distorts the aluminum
a bit more that squeezing the rivets would. Squeezing would be the way
to go if you can borrow or purchase a pneumatic squeezer. They are
expensive.
>
> Bryan Ekholm
>
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> Bryan Ekholm
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 2094#202094
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| Subject: | Re: Problems with riveting the 701 spars... |
Cheap insurance, can't hurt: place a bunch of drill bits (smooth end of
course) in the rivet holes to ensure things do not move while you rivet.
Good luck
Carlos
2008/9/2 Ryan Vechinski <brothapig@hotmail.com>
> Thanks everyone for responding to my email. I appreciate all of the
> insight. I have since drilled out my six or seven rivets, and the spar
> returned to straight. What I plan on doing next is to set up the spar so
> that my rivet location will be *slightly* higher than the ends, and I will
> start with one rivet in the center of the spar, but then will set a couple
> rivets on each end. Then I will fill in between the rivets until the spar
> is riveted. Hopefully this will minimize any curving.
>
> Someone mentioned that the hammer method for setting rivets is probably the
> least desirable. Unfortunately, I do not have access to a rivet gun, and I
> definitely don't have access to a power squeezer. Maybe someday. I will
> let everyone know what happens with the spars, hopefully in the next few
> weeks.
>
>
> Ryan Vechinski
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: [Probable Spam] Ch-750 versus Ch-701 |
My butt will never go Mexico, MO, I have no need to waste my time and see those
people. If the 'brood' of Uncle-Heintz, cannot publicly document the mythical
110% 701, then it doesn't exist.
The assumption was that somebody here knew how to put an XL-601 firewall forward
on a 701, and its now clear that nobody knows how its done.
I have ordered my CH750 plans months ago, sometime post xmas I'll be getting them.
Like everything else on this site, the 110% 701 is pure malarkey hot air, false
advertising and mythology.
It's very clear that Uncle Heintz no longer does consulting or advising for modifications
to his plans. It's clear that his brood are not engineers. I'm really
not quite clear why anyone needs to go to OZ ( mexico, MO ) to meet the wizard,
when in fact the wizard has retired.
Let's all hope that Zenith survives. Demanding peoples money 50% in advance with
no time commitments on delivery is a ripe recipe for bankruptcy should the economy
for these kit planes ever take a dive.
In the old days your 'one off plans' would have been approved by uncle-heintz,
and theyafter avail to all, given that uncle no longer approves that means your
plans are un-approved. Thus they're not plans, just wishes. Perhaps once your
110% is flying you can sell plans and start a new company competing with zenith?
Chris Lewis wrote:
> The only "documentation" that I know of is the official CH750 plans. My changes
are a one-off and not something that I'll share with anyone. My plane, my a$$
on the line, no one else's...
>
> I'd suggest that you do what I've done, 4 times now - Get your butt on a commercial
flight, rent a car and go meet these people. Sit in the planes, talk to
Roger and Sebastian and Caleb and Michael and then get back to us when you know
what's what.
>
> We all trust "Uncle H." because we are building his planes. If you don't trust
him (or his family), take your business somewhere else. And give us a break
from your non-stop whining. We're here to support each other, not tear people
or products down.
>
> Chris in Seattle
--------
flicka750(AT)gmail
EINSTEIN:"Common sense is the accumulated prejudices before the age of 18"
- Out of My Later Years
TWAIN: "Intercourse is life's most over-rated pleasure, defecation is life's
most under-rated pleasure" - Letter's From Earth
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| Subject: | Re: [Probable Spam] Ch-750 versus Ch-701 |
Guys,
This "Flicka" person seems to be an Internet Troll. It does us no
good to continue trying to help or answer its questions. Please
don't feed the troll. And please - Do Not Archive.
Al Hays
N701GH reserved
On Sep 3, 2008, at 5:57 PM, flicka750 wrote:
> <flicka750@gmail.com>
>
> My butt will never go Mexico, MO,
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| Subject: | Re: [Probable Spam] Ch-750 versus Ch-701 |
Well Flicka your rudeness and lack of ability to conduct research is appara
nt as at no time has anyone ever said that there was a 601 firewall forewar
d for the 701. Experimental aircraft means that you sometimes have to fab u
p your own stuff if it is not otherwise avaliable.=0AYou though have baited
and mocked everything you could while refusing to do your own work mewing
and crying foul at every step. I'll make this simple for you, buy your 750
kit, build your plane, if you can, and stop squaling about something than d
oesn't mean anything. Oh and by the way "the brood of Uncle Heinz" are also
the folks your talking about buying the 750 kit from so you again prove yo
urself to be a hypocrite.=0A=0AJoe=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFr
om: flicka750 <flicka750@gmail.com>=0ATo: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
=0ASent: Wednesday, September 3, 2008 4:57:02 PM=0ASubject: Zenith701801-Li
st: Re: [Probable Spam] Ch-750 versus Ch-701=0A=0A--> Zenith701801-List mes
sage posted by: "flicka750" <flicka750@gmail.com>=0A=0AMy butt will never g
o Mexico, MO, I have no need to waste my time and see those people. If the
'brood' of Uncle-Heintz, cannot publicly document the mythical 110% 701, th
en it doesn't exist.=0A=0AThe assumption was that somebody here knew how to
put an XL-601 firewall forward on a 701, and its now clear that nobody kno
ws how its done.=0A=0AI have ordered my CH750 plans months ago, sometime po
st xmas I'll be getting them.=0A=0ALike everything else on this site, the 1
10% 701 is pure malarkey hot air, false advertising and mythology.=0A=0AIt'
s very clear that Uncle Heintz no longer does consulting or advising for mo
difications to his plans. It's clear that his brood are not engineers. I'm
really not quite clear why anyone needs to go to OZ ( mexico, MO ) to meet
the wizard, when in fact the wizard has retired.=0A=0ALet's all hope that Z
enith survives. Demanding peoples money 50% in advance with no time commitm
ents on delivery is a ripe recipe for bankruptcy should the economy for the
se kit planes ever take a dive.=0A=0AIn the old days your 'one off plans' w
ould have been approved by uncle-heintz, and theyafter avail to all, given
that uncle no longer approves that means your plans are un-approved. Thus t
hey're not plans, just wishes. Perhaps once your 110% is flying you can sel
l plans and start a new company competing with zenith?=0A=0A=0AChris Lewis
wrote:=0A> The only "documentation" that I know of is the official CH750 pl
ans. My changes are a one-off and not something that I'll share with anyone
. My plane, my a$$ on the line, no one else's...=0A> =0A> I'd suggest that
you do what I've done, 4 times now - Get your butt on a commercial flight,
rent a car and go meet these people. Sit in the planes, talk to Roger and S
ebastian and Caleb and Michael and then get back to us when you know what's
what.=0A> =0A> We all trust "Uncle H." because we are building his planes.
If you don't trust him (or his family), take your business somewhere else.
And give us a break from your non-stop whining. We're here to support each
other, not tear people or products down.=0A> =0A> Chris in Seattle=0A=0A
=0A--------=0Aflicka750(AT)gmail=0AEINSTEIN:"Common sense is the accum
ulated prejudices before the age of 18" - Out of My Later Years=0ATWAI
N: "Intercourse is life's most over-rated pleasure, defecation is life
's most under-rated pleasure" - Letter's From Earth=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead
this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p
=========================0A
===================0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Authority |
Looking at some of the data and reports, I am half tempted to not even order the
slats or install the slat mounts and going exclusively with the VGs. I'm guessing
this would save considerably on weight, and give a cleaner leading edge(not
that it matters a whole lot in this airplane). Thoughts?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 2410#202410
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How do we get Flicka banned?
The person is not interested in gainful conversation and information. He is disruptive
and argumentative. So please post yea or nae below.
Kevin
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Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that
you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 2412#202412
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| Subject: | Re: Problems with riveting the 701 spars... |
Class...right there! 8) 8) 8)
[quote="John Bolding"]If you have compressed air I'll send you my gun . Contact
me off list if you wish to borrow them. John
> ---
do not archive
Kevin
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Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that
you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 2414#202414
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| Subject: | Yea.....throw him to the tumblebugs |
Two things everybody has....
In the case of this 'flicka' dude, he apparently has no opinion (item 1), but he
is the embodiment of the other (item 2).
I put the a-hole on the spam list, don't have to bother with him.
Kindest regards to all,
Zed
please archive immediately
Any search engine will explain 'tumblebugs'
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| Subject: | Re: Yea.....throw him to the tumblebugs |
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Do not archive
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deal here.
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Ban!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kmccune
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 3:55 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Flicka
How do we get Flicka banned?
The person is not interested in gainful conversation and information. He is
disruptive and argumentative. So please post yea or nae below.
Kevin
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Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the
things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the
bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your
sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 2412#202412
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
7:19 AM
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Very simple:- YOUR computer "Delete"- key...--
-
"Dont ask what your list is doing for you...- What you do with your list.
.."- :-)- :-)
-
Matt has more important things to do...
-
Saludos
Gary Gower
Do not archive- (Again).
--- On Wed, 9/3/08, kmccune <kmccune@somtel.net> wrote:
From: kmccune <kmccune@somtel.net>
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Flicka
<kmccune@somtel.net>
How do we get Flicka banned?
The person is not interested in gainful conversation and information. He is
disruptive and argumentative. So please post yea or nae below.
Kevin
--------
Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the thin
gs
that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines.
Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explor
e.
Dream. Discover.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 2412#202412
=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Elevator Authority |
>Looking at some of the data and reports, I am half >tempted to not even
order the
>slats or install the slat mounts and going exclusively with >the VGs.
I'm guessing
>this would save considerably on weight, and give a >cleaner leading
edge(not
>that it matters a whole lot in this airplane). Thoughts
I removed my slats and weighed them. They weighed 13#. They were also
something of a pain to build. After flying with VGs for a while I cut
the slat brackets off and bondoed up the holes. I will sell my slats
cheap if there is anybody who wants them and is willing to pick them up
in Mississippi. There is no going back for me.
Hope this helps.
Joe
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I'm sure he does, I have no quarrel with him, that is not what this is about. But
Maybe there needs to be an avenue! Maybe its time for moderators with a set
of rules.
We are a community, so we have to in some situations, regulate or police. I'm
sorry if you disagree, but this person is getting offensive and I would rather
not have to see it at all. We all have different backgrounds, abilities, experience,
finances and opinions. But we all seem to get along too.
Kevin
Kevin
[quote="disagree_99(at)yahoo.com"]Very simple: YOUR computer "Delete" key...
"opinions ask what your list is doing for you... What you do with your list..."
:-) :-)
Matt has more important things to do...
Saludos
Gary Gower
Do not archive (Again).
--- On Wed, 9/3/08, kmccune wrote:
> From: kmccune
> Subject: Flicka
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2008, 6:54 PM
>
>
> >
> >
> > How do we get Flicka banned?
> > The person is not interested in gainful conversation and information. He is
> > disruptive and argumentative. So please post yea or nae below.
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> > --------
> > Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things
> > that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines.
> > Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore.
> > Dream. Discover.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 2412#202412
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> [b]
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Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that
you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 2445#202445
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Authority |
X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41)
You might want to read what Chris Heintz thinks:
http://www.zenithair.com/stolch801/design/slats-vs-vg-design.html
On 3 Sep 2008 at 15:49, pdknight wrote:
>
> Looking at some of the data and reports, I am half tempted to not even order
the slats or install the slat mounts and going exclusively with the VGs. I'm
guessing this would save considerably on weight, and give a cleaner leading edge(not
that it matters a whole lot in this airplane). Thoughts?
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 2410#202410
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Authority |
I am starting on my wing build soon. I posted a reply to one of JGs comments recently.
But the proof in in the pudding , so I am not building slats. And I may
build the wing long.
Kevin
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Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that
you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 2448#202448
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| Subject: | Re: [Probable Spam] Ch-750 versus Ch-701 |
If you guys would quit responding or talking to or about him, he would
go away. He is "blacklisted". Larry, N1345L
Joe Stevenson wrote:
> Well Flicka your rudeness and lack of ability to conduct research is apparant
as at no time has anyone ever said that there was a 601 firewall foreward for
the 701. Experimental aircraft means that you sometimes have to fab up your own
stuff if it is not otherwise avaliable.
> You though have baited and mocked everything you could while refusing to do your
own work mewing and crying foul at every step. I'll make this simple for you,
buy your 750 kit, build your plane, if you can, and stop squaling about something
than doesn't mean anything. Oh and by the way "the brood of Uncle Heinz"
are also the folks your talking about buying the 750 kit from so you again
prove yourself to be a hypocrite.
>
> Joe
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: flicka750 <flicka750@gmail.com>
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 3, 2008 4:57:02 PM
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: [Probable Spam] Ch-750 versus Ch-701
>
>
> My butt will never go Mexico, MO, I have no need to waste my time and see those
people. If the 'brood' of Uncle-Heintz, cannot publicly document the mythical
110% 701, then it doesn't exist.
>
> The assumption was that somebody here knew how to put an XL-601 firewall forward
on a 701, and its now clear that nobody knows how its done.
>
> I have ordered my CH750 plans months ago, sometime post xmas I'll be getting
them.
>
> Like everything else on this site, the 110% 701 is pure malarkey hot air, false
advertising and mythology.
>
> It's very clear that Uncle Heintz no longer does consulting or advising for modifications
to his plans. It's clear that his brood are not engineers. I'm really
not quite clear why anyone needs to go to OZ ( mexico, MO ) to meet the wizard,
when in fact the wizard has retired.
>
> Let's all hope that Zenith survives. Demanding peoples money 50% in advance with
no time commitments on delivery is a ripe recipe for bankruptcy should the
economy for these kit planes ever take a dive.
>
> In the old days your 'one off plans' would have been approved by uncle-heintz,
and theyafter avail to all, given that uncle no longer approves that means your
plans are un-approved. Thus they're not plans, just wishes. Perhaps once your
110% is flying you can sell plans and start a new company competing with zenith?
>
>
> Chris Lewis wrote:
>
>> The only "documentation" that I know of is the official CH750 plans. My changes
are a one-off and not something that I'll share with anyone. My plane, my
a$$ on the line, no one else's...
>>
>> I'd suggest that you do what I've done, 4 times now - Get your butt on a commercial
flight, rent a car and go meet these people. Sit in the planes, talk to
Roger and Sebastian and Caleb and Michael and then get back to us when you know
what's what.
>>
>> We all trust "Uncle H." because we are building his planes. If you don't trust
him (or his family), take your business somewhere else. And give us a break
from your non-stop whining. We're here to support each other, not tear people
or products down.
>>
>> Chris in Seattle
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Authority |
I see where he is coming from, and given my day job(I'm a c-17 pilot), I know firsthand
the benefit slats provide. Without them, the C-17 would have none of
its short field capability.
Chris Heintz is much more of an expert than I in the area of aerodynamics, but
he is also a salesman, he has a business to run. Slats provide him with revenue,
and in a way are his trademark, so I am not discounting this as being some
of the motivation behind the article. I felt like the graphics he presented
were quite elementary and gave no numbers of any kind regarding the performance,
they merely had a picture with lines. The stolspeed folks provide info, numbers,
and proof of concept videos. I'm going to do a bit more reading into the
matter before making a final decision. If I'm not happy, I'll slip into buyer's
remorse as I unfasten the wing skins and install slat mounts...
PS: I am in no way insulting the man who designed this fine aircraft I will soon
be trusting my life with.
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I have the utmost respect for Chris. And I believe that the slats provide the highest
STOL performance possible with this aircraft. But I do not need to do dime
size spot landings and give back change. I just need to land short so it will
work for me and the fuel savings are an added benny.
Kevin
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away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover.
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In my opinion, ignore ore bann . Or anything else to stop him.
But what is gonna stop him from subscribing again with another nickname?
Maybe delete and ignore is better.
Espuny
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> > The person is not interested in gainful conversation and information. He
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> > disruptive and argumentative. So please post yea or nae below.
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> > Kevin
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> > Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the
things
> > that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the
bowlines.
> > Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails.
Explore.
> > Dream. Discover.
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things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the
bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your
sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Authority |
Exactly. I am willing to give up 10-15 feet of takeoff roll for ten extra mph
in cruise and better fuel economy. Even if the VGs had a slight negative impact
on the STOL capabilities, it would still have extraordinary ability to get
in and out of just about anywhere.
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> How do we get Flicka banned?
> The person is not interested in gainful conversation and information. He is
> disruptive and argumentative. So please post yea or nae below.
>
>
Ban him. He is not interested in anything we have to say and only wants
to stir things up.
Dan Wilde
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