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1. 05:21 AM - Re: 701 static port (txpilot)
2. 07:49 AM - N701 Flies!! (BokKat)
3. 07:57 AM - Re: N701 Flies!! (Keith Ashcraft)
4. 08:02 AM - Re: Re - Question about fuel flow from only one tank? (n85ae)
5. 08:10 AM - Re: N701 Flies!! (Ken Ryan)
6. 08:32 AM - Re: Re - Question about fuel flow from only one tank? (Roland Smith)
7. 08:43 AM - Re: N701 Flies!! (John Marzulli)
8. 10:02 AM - Re: Re: Re - Question about fuel flow from only one tank? (Curt Thompson)
9. 10:23 AM - Re: Re: Re - Question about fuel flow from only one tank? (Randall J. Hebert)
10. 10:28 AM - Re: N701 Flies!! (George Race)
11. 10:31 AM - Re: Re: Re - Question about fuel flow from only one tank? (Randall J. Hebert)
12. 10:40 AM - Re: N701 Flies!! (Randall J. Hebert)
13. 01:16 PM - Re: N701 Flies!! (JG)
14. 06:19 PM - Re: N701 Flies!! (n801bh@netzero.com)
15. 06:39 PM - Re: 701 static port (Les Goldner)
16. 07:05 PM - Re: Re: Re - Question about fuel flow from only one tank? (MacDonald Doug)
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Subject: | Re: 701 static port |
A while back I ordered a pitot tube from ZAC. They provided a pitot and static
port unit which I believe is standard on the 601. I'm not sure how accurate
the static port position is since I'm not flying yet.
This isn't a great photo. If you need others, let me know and I'll snap a few
more next time I'm at the hangar.
Dan Ginty
N787DG
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Nice night last night so took N701ND off the ground for the first time.
Flew pretty well flawlessly, although like an engine running "automatic
rough" over water I kept thinking I would hear various strange noises
from all parts of the fusealge and engine! And thought's like "that
#7 rivet was less than perfect" or "did I forget to tighten a certain
bolt" kept running through my adrenaline overdosed mind!
I pretty well followed JG's and the EAA's advice for test flying on the
first flight from his website and private e-mails (thanks JG!) went up
to about 4000 AGL and tried various airspeeds to "tickle the stall" and
see how it handled at landing speeds and simulated approaches. Yawn -
pretty docile....
Set up a nice long stabilized final and as JG had instructed me via
e-mail, crossed the fence at about 50mph and 3000 rpm, then cut back the
power almost on the grass.
The only thing I did wrong was when I cut the power a foot or so above
the grass I flared a bit too much and ballooned a bit so added a hair
of power to "not get on the backside of the power curve" then touched
down smoothly! Wow that elevator/pitch is sensitive! More than I'm
used to than in my VG'd Kitfox.
All in all a pretty non eventful flight except for overrevving a bit on
clibout before I noticed it! I plan to get used to it with slats, then
try VG's and slats removed later on. I'll go over everything nose to
tail today and repitch the prop (needs to be courser) and get ready for
more 701 adventures!
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Subject: | Re: N701 Flies!! |
Congratulations!!!!
Keep us "builders" informed!!!!
(also send out another generic link for JG's website. I have seemed to lost
mine)
Keith
CH701 -- scratch
N 38.9940
W 105.1305
Alt. 9,100'
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BokKat wrote:
Nice night last night so took N701ND off the ground for the first time. Fl
ew pretty well flawlessly, although like an engine running "automatic rough
" over water I kept thinking I would hear various strange noises from all p
arts of the fusealge and engine! And thought's like "that #7 rivet was l
ess than perfect" or "did I forget to tighten a certain bolt" kept running
through my adrenaline overdosed mind!
I pretty well followed JG's and the EAA's advice for test flying on the fir
st flight from his website and private e-mails (thanks JG!) went up to abo
ut 4000 AGL and tried various airspeeds to "tickle the stall" and see how
it handled at landing speeds and simulated approaches. Yawn - pretty docil
e....
Set up a nice long stabilized final and as JG had instructed me via e-mail,
crossed the fence at about 50mph and 3000 rpm, then cut back the power alm
ost on the grass.
The only thing I did wrong was when I cut the power a foot or so above the
grass I flared a bit too much and ballooned a bit so added a hair of power
to "not get on the backside of the power curve" then touched down smoothly
! Wow that elevator/pitch is sensitive! More than I'm used to than in my
VG'd Kitfox.
All in all a pretty non eventful flight except for overrevving a bit on cli
bout before I noticed it! I plan to get used to it with slats, then try V
G's and slats removed later on. I'll go over everything nose to tail today
and repitch the prop (needs to be courser) and get ready for more 701 adve
ntures!
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Subject: | Re: Re - Question about fuel flow from only one tank? |
My guess is due to slight differences in vents, and lacking a line to
balance pressure between tanks this is the real culprit.
In Kitfoxes this is very common, the reason for it is the header vent line
returns to only one tank. This causes a a pressure differential inside the two
tanks. The only real solution is to put a balance line between the
two tanks to balance the internal pressure.
All it takes is a slight pressure difference between tanks to cause this to
happen. The plus is that at some point when one tanks gets lower in fuel
than the other the fuel flow will equalize. But with one tank having lower
quantity that the other. It's a good reason to use a header as well.
Because regardless how the fuel from the tanks is flowing to the header,
the feed to the engine is constant.
Jeff
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Subject: | Re: N701 Flies!! |
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Congratulations! Good job. You are an inspiration to all of us who "aren't
there yet."
On 9 Sep 2008 at 9:48, BokKat wrote:
>
> Nice night last night so took N701ND off the ground for the first time. Flew
pretty well flawlessly,
> although like an engine running "automatic rough" over water I kept thinking
I would hear various
> strange noises from all parts of the fusealge and engine! And thought's like
"that #7 rivet was
> less than perfect" or "did I forget to tighten a certain bolt" kept running through
my adrenaline
> overdosed mind!
> I pretty well followed JG's and the EAA's advice for test flying on the first
flight from his website
> and private e-mails (thanks JG!) went up to about 4000 AGL and tried various
airspeeds to
> "tickle the stall" and see how it handled at landing speeds and simulated approaches.
Yawn -
> pretty docile....
> Set up a nice long stabilized final and as JG had instructed me via e-mail, crossed
the fence at
> about 50mph and 3000 rpm, then cut back the power almost on the grass.
> The only thing I did wrong was when I cut the powera foot or so above the grass
I flared a bit too
> much and ballooned a bit so added a hair of power to "not get on the backside
of the power curve"
> then touched down smoothly! Wow that elevator/pitch is sensitive! More than I'm
used to than in
> my VG'd Kitfox.
> All in all a pretty non eventful flight except for overrevving a bit on clibout
before I noticed it! I
> plan to get used to it with slats, then try VG's and slats removed later on.
I'll go over everything
> nose to tail today and repitch the prop (needs to be courser) and get ready for
more 701
> adventures!
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith701801-List
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Re - Question about fuel flow from only one tank? |
Plumbing in my 701 ( N701AA reserved) is for one tank at a time. Never both on.
This has worked well in my old Taylorcraft BC12D, albeit, with a header tank
and also with my Cessna 140 that I fly to stay current while finishing the 701.
This serves me best for fuel management. For example: Should my engine splutter
when the fuel in my left tank runs dry I know there is fuel in the right tank.
My preflight dipsticks are calibrated for each tank. I also marked the
gages at one hour remaining.
If anyone sees a problem with this setup for the 701, please comment.
--------
701 kit, Rotax 912 ULS, SensorNetics EFIS, working on Skyshop FWF.
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Subject: | Re: N701 Flies!! |
Congrats!
We can't wait for some photos or video!
DO NOT ARCHIVE!
John Marzulli
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
http://www.GenevieveMarzulli.org/
http://www.JohnMarzulli.net/
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:48 AM, BokKat <bobkat@btinet.net> wrote:
> Nice night last night so took N701ND off the ground for the first time.
> Flew pretty well flawlessly, although like an engine running "automatic
> rough" over water I kept thinking I would hear various strange noises from
> all parts of the fusealge and engine! And thought's like "that #7 rivet
> was less than perfect" or "did I forget to tighten a certain bolt" kept
> running through my adrenaline overdosed mind!
> I pretty well followed JG's and the EAA's advice for test flying on the
> first flight from his website and private e-mails (thanks JG!) went up to
> about 4000 AGL and tried various airspeeds to "tickle the stall" and see
> how it handled at landing speeds and simulated approaches. Yawn - pretty
> docile....
> Set up a nice long stabilized final and as JG had instructed me via e-mail,
> crossed the fence at about 50mph and 3000 rpm, then cut back the power
> almost on the grass.
> The only thing I did wrong was when I cut the power a foot or so above the
> grass I flared a bit too much and ballooned a bit so added a hair of power
> to "not get on the backside of the power curve" then touched down
> smoothly! Wow that elevator/pitch is sensitive! More than I'm used to than
> in my VG'd Kitfox.
> All in all a pretty non eventful flight except for overrevving a bit on
> clibout before I noticed it! I plan to get used to it with slats, then try
> VG's and slats removed later on. I'll go over everything nose to tail today
> and repitch the prop (needs to be courser) and get ready for more 701
> adventures!
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Re - Question about fuel flow from only one |
tank?
Jeff,
If the problem is due to slight differences in vents then why would some be
able to duplicate this with ground tests?
I'll try to attach a page from a 1981 C152 POH. Note that there is a vent
line between the two tanks. This might be hard to do in a CH701 as the
fuselage dips between the wings and I don't think you would want that vent
line to have a dip and fill with fuel. Also note that the exterior vent
line is on the left tank and the left tank has a sealed cap. The right tank
has no exterior vent line but has a vented cap. It also looks like there is
an ON/OFF valve (no LEFT/RIGHT/BOTH/OFF).
I've never flown a C152. Does anyone know if the C152 has this problem?
Curt
-----Original Message-----
My guess is due to slight differences in vents, and lacking a line to
balance pressure between tanks this is the real culprit.
In Kitfoxes this is very common, the reason for it is the header vent line
returns to only one tank. This causes a a pressure differential inside the
two tanks. The only real solution is to put a balance line between the
two tanks to balance the internal pressure.
All it takes is a slight pressure difference between tanks to cause this to
happen. The plus is that at some point when one tanks gets lower in fuel
than the other the fuel flow will equalize. But with one tank having lower
quantity that the other. It's a good reason to use a header as well.
Because regardless how the fuel from the tanks is flowing to the header,
the feed to the engine is constant.
Jeff
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Subject: | Re: Re - Question about fuel flow from only one |
tank?
Curt
My 152 had the same problem
I didn't have it long enough though to get into the problem.
My CFI told me "... that always happens with this airplane.."
I bought it from the FBO. It was a trainer that they were selling.
I had only flown it a few times in training and a few times as the
owner.
Had to sell it but I know it was a common problem.
Randall J Hebert
Randall J Hebert & Associates, Inc
Consulting Engineers
Ph 337-261-1976 Fx 337-261-1977
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Curt
Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:58 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Re: Re - Question about fuel flow from
only one tank?
Jeff,
If the problem is due to slight differences in vents then why would some
be able to duplicate this with ground tests?
I'll try to attach a page from a 1981 C152 POH. Note that there is a
vent line between the two tanks. This might be hard to do in a CH701 as
the fuselage dips between the wings and I don't think you would want
that vent line to have a dip and fill with fuel. Also note that the
exterior vent line is on the left tank and the left tank has a sealed
cap. The right tank has no exterior vent line but has a vented cap. It
also looks like there is an ON/OFF valve (no LEFT/RIGHT/BOTH/OFF).
I've never flown a C152. Does anyone know if the C152 has this problem?
Curt
-----Original Message-----
My guess is due to slight differences in vents, and lacking a line to
balance pressure between tanks this is the real culprit.
In Kitfoxes this is very common, the reason for it is the header vent
line returns to only one tank. This causes a a pressure differential
inside the two tanks. The only real solution is to put a balance line
between the two tanks to balance the internal pressure.
All it takes is a slight pressure difference between tanks to cause this
to happen. The plus is that at some point when one tanks gets lower in
fuel than the other the fuel flow will equalize. But with one tank
having lower quantity that the other. It's a good reason to use a header
as well.
Because regardless how the fuel from the tanks is flowing to the header,
the feed to the engine is constant.
Jeff
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A great big CONGRATULATIONS!
That feelings you get on that very first flight in a new airplane that you
built is un equal to most anything else.
Again congratulations and keep us informed with more information and
pictures.
George
N73EX
FLYING
_____
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BokKat
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 10:49 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: N701 Flies!!
Nice night last night so took N701ND off the ground for the first time.
Flew pretty well flawlessly, although like an engine running "automatic
rough" over water I kept thinking I would hear various strange noises from
all parts of the fusealge and engine! And thought's like "that #7 rivet
was less than perfect" or "did I forget to tighten a certain bolt" kept
running through my adrenaline overdosed mind!
I pretty well followed JG's and the EAA's advice for test flying on the
first flight from his website and private e-mails (thanks JG!) went up to
about 4000 AGL and tried various airspeeds to "tickle the stall" and see
how it handled at landing speeds and simulated approaches. Yawn - pretty
docile....
Set up a nice long stabilized final and as JG had instructed me via e-mail,
crossed the fence at about 50mph and 3000 rpm, then cut back the power
almost on the grass.
The only thing I did wrong was when I cut the power a foot or so above the
grass I flared a bit too much and ballooned a bit so added a hair of power
to "not get on the backside of the power curve" then touched down smoothly!
Wow that elevator/pitch is sensitive! More than I'm used to than in my VG'd
Kitfox.
All in all a pretty non eventful flight except for overrevving a bit on
clibout before I noticed it! I plan to get used to it with slats, then try
VG's and slats removed later on. I'll go over everything nose to tail today
and repitch the prop (needs to be courser) and get ready for more 701
adventures!
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Subject: | Re: Re - Question about fuel flow from only one |
tank?
A 172 has a Left/Both/Right valve
A 152 has On/Off so it always feeds from both
Randall J Hebert
Randall J Hebert & Associates, Inc
Consulting Engineers
Ph 337-261-1976 Fx 337-261-1977
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Curt
Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:58 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Re: Re - Question about fuel flow from
only one tank?
Jeff,
If the problem is due to slight differences in vents then why would some
be able to duplicate this with ground tests?
I'll try to attach a page from a 1981 C152 POH. Note that there is a
vent line between the two tanks. This might be hard to do in a CH701 as
the fuselage dips between the wings and I don't think you would want
that vent line to have a dip and fill with fuel. Also note that the
exterior vent line is on the left tank and the left tank has a sealed
cap. The right tank has no exterior vent line but has a vented cap. It
also looks like there is an ON/OFF valve (no LEFT/RIGHT/BOTH/OFF).
I've never flown a C152. Does anyone know if the C152 has this problem?
Curt
-----Original Message-----
My guess is due to slight differences in vents, and lacking a line to
balance pressure between tanks this is the real culprit.
In Kitfoxes this is very common, the reason for it is the header vent
line returns to only one tank. This causes a a pressure differential
inside the two tanks. The only real solution is to put a balance line
between the two tanks to balance the internal pressure.
All it takes is a slight pressure difference between tanks to cause this
to happen. The plus is that at some point when one tanks gets lower in
fuel than the other the fuel flow will equalize. But with one tank
having lower quantity that the other. It's a good reason to use a header
as well.
Because regardless how the fuel from the tanks is flowing to the header,
the feed to the engine is constant.
Jeff
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Congratulations!!!
I am envious of you guys that get to fly it.
I am still so far away from that point but your posts give me
encouragement to work harder.
Keep us posted on you VG/Slat results too
Randall J Hebert
Randall J Hebert & Associates, Inc
Consulting Engineers
Ph 337-261-1976 Fx 337-261-1977
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
BokKat
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:49 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: N701 Flies!!
Nice night last night so took N701ND off the ground for the first time.
Flew pretty well flawlessly, although like an engine running "automatic
rough" over water I kept thinking I would hear various strange noises
from all parts of the fusealge and engine! And thought's like "that
#7 rivet was less than perfect" or "did I forget to tighten a certain
bolt" kept running through my adrenaline overdosed mind!
I pretty well followed JG's and the EAA's advice for test flying on the
first flight from his website and private e-mails (thanks JG!) went up
to about 4000 AGL and tried various airspeeds to "tickle the stall" and
see how it handled at landing speeds and simulated approaches. Yawn -
pretty docile....
Set up a nice long stabilized final and as JG had instructed me via
e-mail, crossed the fence at about 50mph and 3000 rpm, then cut back the
power almost on the grass.
The only thing I did wrong was when I cut the power a foot or so above
the grass I flared a bit too much and ballooned a bit so added a hair
of power to "not get on the backside of the power curve" then touched
down smoothly! Wow that elevator/pitch is sensitive! More than I'm
used to than in my VG'd Kitfox.
All in all a pretty non eventful flight except for overrevving a bit on
clibout before I noticed it! I plan to get used to it with slats, then
try VG's and slats removed later on. I'll go over everything nose to
tail today and repitch the prop (needs to be courser) and get ready for
more 701 adventures!
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Subject: | Re: N701 Flies!! |
Congratulations Bob, well done.
You prepared well. Now the fun begins!
Cheers,
JG
----- Original Message -----
From: BokKat
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 12:48 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: N701 Flies!!
Nice night last night so took N701ND off the ground for the first
time. Flew pretty well flawlessly, although like an engine running
"automatic rough" over water I kept thinking I would hear various
strange noises from all parts of the fusealge and engine! And
thought's like "that #7 rivet was less than perfect" or "did I forget
to tighten a certain bolt" kept running through my adrenaline overdosed
mind!
I pretty well followed JG's and the EAA's advice for test flying on
the first flight from his website and private e-mails (thanks JG!) went
up to about 4000 AGL and tried various airspeeds to "tickle the stall"
and see how it handled at landing speeds and simulated approaches. Yawn
- pretty docile....
Set up a nice long stabilized final and as JG had instructed me via
e-mail, crossed the fence at about 50mph and 3000 rpm, then cut back the
power almost on the grass.
The only thing I did wrong was when I cut the power a foot or so above
the grass I flared a bit too much and ballooned a bit so added a hair
of power to "not get on the backside of the power curve" then touched
down smoothly! Wow that elevator/pitch is sensitive! More than I'm
used to than in my VG'd Kitfox.
All in all a pretty non eventful flight except for overrevving a bit
on clibout before I noticed it! I plan to get used to it with slats,
then try VG's and slats removed later on. I'll go over everything nose
to tail today and repitch the prop (needs to be courser) and get ready
for more 701 adventures!
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Subject: | Re: N701 Flies!! |
Congrats to you. The grin will last for weeks too...
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "BokKat" <bobkat@btinet.net> wrote:
Nice night last night so took N701ND off the ground for the first time.
Flew pretty well flawlessly, although like an engine running "automatic
rough" over water I kept thinking I would hear various strange noises f
rom all parts of the fusealge and engine! And thought's like "that #7
rivet was less than perfect" or "did I forget to tighten a certain bolt
" kept running through my adrenaline overdosed mind!I pretty well follow
ed JG's and the EAA's advice for test flying on the first flight from hi
s website and private e-mails (thanks JG!) went up to about 4000 AGL an
d tried various airspeeds to "tickle the stall" and see how it handled
at landing speeds and simulated approaches. Yawn - pretty docile....Set
up a nice long stabilized final and as JG had instructed me via e-mail,
crossed the fence at about 50mph and 3000 rpm, then cut back the power
almost on the grass.The only thing I did wrong was when I cut the power
a foot or so above the grass I flared a bit too much and ballooned a bi
t so added a hair of power to "not get on the backside of the power curv
e" then touched down smoothly! Wow that elevator/pitch is sensitive! M
ore than I'm used to than in my VG'd Kitfox.All in all a pretty non even
tful flight except for overrevving a bit on clibout before I noticed it!
I plan to get used to it with slats, then try VG's and slats removed
later on. I'll go over everything nose to tail today and repitch the pr
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Tracy,
I had lots of problems with the placement of my 701 static port. First I put
it inside in the wing above the pitot tube. At high angles of attack, the
airspeed read way low, probably because air was being forced into the root
of the wing in this attitude. It was uncomfortable landing with an indicated
airspeed near zero, so I just disconnected the static air line under the
panel, but it still read a little low at high attack angles. Then I put the
static air intake on both sides under the doors. This was a little better,
but still about 5-mph low at slow speeds. Finally I moved about a foot
behind the doors and am getting good readings.
Guess I should have asked the guys on this list beforehand as you are doing
Tracy.
Rgds,
Les
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Tracy
> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 6:01 PM
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: 701 static port
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>
> does anyone have a static port in there 701 or just leave them open?
>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
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Subject: | Re: Re - Question about fuel flow from only one |
tank?
The C-152 can drain one tank first just like we have been discussing here. I experienced
this on my Solo cross country. I expected to have 6 gallons of fuel
left when I landed, I did not expect it all to be in one wing. I don't know
if it would have quit if the low tank had run dry but I was getting a little
concerned.
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch Builder
NW Ontario Canada
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--- On Tue, 9/9/08, Curt Thompson <Curt.Thompson@verizon.net> wrote:
> From: Curt Thompson <Curt.Thompson@verizon.net>
> Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Re: Re - Question about fuel flow from only one
tank?
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 11:57 AM
> Jeff,
>
> If the problem is due to slight differences in vents then
> why would some be
> able to duplicate this with ground tests?
>
> I'll try to attach a page from a 1981 C152 POH. Note
> that there is a vent
> line between the two tanks. This might be hard to do in a
> CH701 as the
> fuselage dips between the wings and I don't think you
> would want that vent
> line to have a dip and fill with fuel. Also note that the
> exterior vent
> line is on the left tank and the left tank has a sealed
> cap. The right tank
> has no exterior vent line but has a vented cap. It also
> looks like there is
> an ON/OFF valve (no LEFT/RIGHT/BOTH/OFF).
>
> I've never flown a C152. Does anyone know if the C152
> has this problem?
>
> Curt
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