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1. 04:36 AM - Re: Re: Ram Air Pressure Cap for 701 (n801bh@netzero.com)
2. 05:19 AM - Re: 801 wing root rib (bcchurch)
3. 05:31 AM - 701 Hard Landing (Damien and Kathy)
4. 05:45 AM - Re: Re: After 5 hours flight time, questions (Jean-Paul Roy)
5. 06:53 AM - Re: Re: After 5 hours flight time, questions (Larry)
6. 07:34 AM - Re: Re: Ram Air Pressure Cap for 701 (Terry Phillips)
7. 08:10 AM - Re: 701 Hard Landing (Damien and Kathy)
8. 10:03 AM - Re: After 5 hours flight time, questions (mwpicard)
9. 11:02 AM - Re: Re: After 5 hours flight time, questions (Craig Payne)
10. 05:18 PM - Re: Re: After 5 hours flight time, questions (Larry)
11. 06:04 PM - BIG tires on 801 (John Swartout)
12. 06:20 PM - Re: fuel flow for CH701 (carl)
13. 09:24 PM - Re: BIG tires on 801 (Ken Ryan)
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| Subject: | Re: Ram Air Pressure Cap for 701 |
Thanks Gary for the tip. When I use auto fuel the brown stains will come
off using more auto gas on a rag and some heavy duty rubbing. The perma
nent stains are from the blue dye in 100LL aviation fuel. This stuff is
worse the blueberry juice on a white tablecloth. Once it is there you a
re screwed. I also agree that rubbing compound will probably remove the
blue stains but when Imron cures it creates a skin kinda like pudding ge
ts. This skin is the UV protection and rubbing compound will remove it,
thus making the paint less durable...
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- Gary Gower <ggower_99@yahoo.com> wrote:
The only way we could clean the brown stains of the gasoline in the wing
s... before we installed the valves (the wings are painted yellow using
Dupont Imron), was with a rag using gasoline. Believe it or not,
we tried diferent brands of degreaser and soap (both liquid or in spray
) and did not work. only polish will do, but that way the paint will no
t last several years, later we will had yellow and green (cinc cronmat
e) wings :-) we used during that time, plain gasoline from the gascola
tor test to the rag, here we use Premium auto gas from Pemex, only brand
here for the Rotax 912, and Magna (regular) for the 2 cycles...No more
stains since we installed the valve in each tank.Try it over there migh
t work... SaludosGary Gower.Flying from Chapala, Mexico.
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From: nyterminat@aol.com <nyterminat@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: Ram Air Pressure Cap for 701
ut pressurizing the tanks is that you won't stain the top of the wing fr
om loosing fuel due to the negative pressure.Bob Spudis
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| Subject: | Re: 801 wing root rib |
Thanks for taking the time to check your wings. So what would everyone recommend
for a possible fix? Should I try and remake the entire root rib? Should
I cut off the rear flange on the root rib and then rivet on a new flange so I
can set the rib length? Other ideas?
- Ben
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CH801
Racine, WI
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| Subject: | 701 Hard Landing |
Group:
I am looking at a 701 that is for sale. It is a nice looking plane but 2
years ago it had a real hard landing. The landing gear had to be
replaced.
What and where should I be looking for to make sure that the structure
has not been damaged ? I think that the plane has gone through 2 or 3
annuals since then, so I am hoping that is a good sign.
Thanks.
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| Subject: | Re: After 5 hours flight time, questions |
Les, why not share it with the gang ?
Jean-Paul Roy
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De: Les Goldner <lgold@quantum-associates.com>
Objet: RE: Zenith701801-List: Re: After 5 hours flight time, questions
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<lgold@quantum-associates.com>
Martin,
Glad you found the fuel starvation problem. My take on the bulkhead hole is
that you could probably do it, possibly hinging a door, but why not put som
e
reinforcement in the bulkhead first? I put a BRS chute on this bulkhead. I
needed to strengthen it first and could show you how I did it. Write
directly to me if you want a picture of what I did.
Les
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of mwpicard
> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 7:56 PM
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: After 5 hours flight time, questions
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> <mwpicard@gmail.com>
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> At about 20 hours on the hobbs, my 701 with Rotax 912 ULS
> also exhibited partial fuel flow and I had a number of forced
> landings before we finally found the problem. It turned out
> to be a piece of rubber hose debris in the fuel supply line
> installed by ROTAX at the factory. So two cylinders were not
> getting fuel when the throttle was fully open and the rubber
> debris happened to oclude the small opening on the inlet side
> of the motor.
>
> I recommend you disassemble all the factory installed fuel
> lines and blow them out to make sure they are 100% clean. I
> am surprised this could get through the Rotax quality
> control. It definitely could be a killer. If you need more
> info contact Doug at Quality Sport Planes as he found the problem.
>
> Regarding the oil canning luggage compartment bulkhead. I
> would really like to cut a large retangular window in it and
> install a pane of latex with bolts all around. I would like
> to see all the way back into the plane. Everyone so far has
> strongly disadvised it saying that it could weaken the plane.
> I can=C3=82=C2=B4t see how that flimsy oil canning bulkhead could be
> so structural....anyone?
> thanks,
> Martin Picard
> 701 en route to Australia (on a ship)
>
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| Subject: | Re: After 5 hours flight time, questions |
Martin, use 1/8" lexan instead of plexaglass or any other plastic.
Lexan is extremely strong, somewhat flexible, and even bullet proof
depending on thickness. Use double sided automotive tape to attach it
with nuts and bolts in the four corners. Plexaglass is brittle, will
break and has no give. I think you will be actually gaining strength
with lexan, however, it is a little heavier.
Take care, Larry N1345L
PS, glad you like the belly pod.
mwpicard wrote:
>
> At about 20 hours on the hobbs, my 701 with Rotax 912 ULS also exhibited partial
fuel flow and I had a number of forced landings before we finally found the
problem. It turned out to be a piece of rubber hose debris in the fuel supply
line installed by ROTAX at the factory. So two cylinders were not getting
fuel when the throttle was fully open and the rubber debris happened to oclude
the small opening on the inlet side of the motor.
>
> I recommend you disassemble all the factory installed fuel lines and blow them
out to make sure they are 100% clean. I am surprised this could get through
the Rotax quality control. It definitely could be a killer. If you need more
info contact Doug at Quality Sport Planes as he found the problem.
>
> Regarding the oil canning luggage compartment bulkhead. I would really like
to cut a large retangular window in it and install a pane of latex with bolts
all around. I would like to see all the way back into the plane. Everyone so
far has strongly disadvised it saying that it could weaken the plane. I cant
see how that flimsy oil canning bulkhead could be so structural....anyone?
> thanks,
> Martin Picard
> 701 en route to Australia (on a ship)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5212#205212
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| Subject: | Re: Ram Air Pressure Cap for 701 |
Sounds like another good reason to paint my wings blue. I was planning on
blue anyway, because I wanted a dark color to help melt frost and/or ice on
cold mornings--not an uncommon problem in Montana. But I think this seals
the deal.
Terry
At 11:33 AM 9/20/2008 +0000, you wrote:
>Thanks Gary for the tip. When I use auto fuel the brown stains will come
>off using more auto gas on a rag and some heavy duty rubbing. The
>permanent stains are from the blue dye in 100LL aviation fuel. This stuff
>is worse the blueberry juice on a white tablecloth. Once it is there you
>are screwed. I also agree that rubbing compound will probably remove the
>blue stains but when Imron cures it creates a skin kinda like pudding
>gets. This skin is the UV protection and rubbing compound will remove it,
>thus making the paint less durable...
>
>do not archive
>
>
>Ben Haas
>N801BH
>www.haaspowerair.com
Terry Phillips ZBAGer
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Corvallis MT
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Hard Landing |
Group:
Never mind about the the signs and symptoms of hard landing damage. I
will try to take my A and P for a ride out there and have him take a
look.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Damien and Kathy
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 8:30 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: 701 Hard Landing
Group:
I am looking at a 701 that is for sale. It is a nice looking plane but
2 years ago it had a real hard landing. The landing gear had to be
replaced.
What and where should I be looking for to make sure that the structure
has not been damaged ? I think that the plane has gone through 2 or 3
annuals since then, so I am hoping that is a good sign.
Thanks.
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: After 5 hours flight time, questions |
Larry,
thanks for your reply and for all the ideas you shared with me that made my 701
better. The pod is great see:
http://picasaweb.google.com/mwpicard/PicardZenithCH701#
You made it really well and even fitted it to your plane so that it went on mine
without and changes. thanks! I havent actually put anything in it yet but I
have flown around with it on heaps. You lose about 3mph at cruise speed but dont
seem to lose any STOLness. I hope others know that you are selling these
because they are definitely worth it - great additions to the plane for long
trips.
cheers,
Martin
N69999
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| Subject: | Re: After 5 hours flight time, questions |
Martin, what did the guys at QSP cover your glare shield with? Doug
described it as auto rock guard paint but I haven't been able to find it.
-- Craig
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From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mwpicard
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 11:02 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: After 5 hours flight time, questions
Larry,
thanks for your reply and for all the ideas you shared with me that made my
701 better. The pod is great see:
http://picasaweb.google.com/mwpicard/PicardZenithCH701#
You made it really well and even fitted it to your plane so that it went on
mine without and changes. thanks! I havent actually put anything in it
yet but I have flown around with it on heaps. You lose about 3mph at cruise
speed but dont seem to lose any STOLness. I hope others know that
you are selling these because they are definitely worth it - great additions
to the plane for long trips.
cheers,
Martin
N69999
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5289#205289
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| Subject: | Re: After 5 hours flight time, questions |
Hey, I just noticed that you put two little windows in like I did. It
really helps with the view doesn't it. Seems like it should be
standard. Take care and thank you,
Larry N1345L
mwpicard wrote:
>
> Larry,
> thanks for your reply and for all the ideas you shared with me that made my
701 better. The pod is great see:
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/mwpicard/PicardZenithCH701#
>
> You made it really well and even fitted it to your plane so that it went on mine
without and changes. thanks! I havent actually put anything in it yet but
I have flown around with it on heaps. You lose about 3mph at cruise speed but
dont seem to lose any STOLness. I hope others know that you are selling these
because they are definitely worth it - great additions to the plane for long
trips.
>
> cheers,
> Martin
> N69999
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5289#205289
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| Subject: | BIG tires on 801 |
Have any of you 801 builders put big tundra tires on your airplane? You
would have to put a huge fork on the nose gear, I would think. Kind of
awkward on a tri-gear, but I wonder if anybody's done it.
John
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| Subject: | Re: fuel flow for CH701 |
Listers
This message is in reply to several messages on this topic.
During the last 13 years I have gone from the original Zenair large nose
tank with two wing tanks, to removing the nose tank and just keeping the
two wing tanks, to the present system with two wing tanks and a
collector behind the baggage compartment.
The biggest problem with the nose tank was the nose heavy c of g
(especially on floats) and the requirement to have the battery at the
extreme rear. The problem of uneven feeding was controlled with valves
at the wing roots and a main shut-off valve at the IP sub panel. The
problem with just the wing tanks was the inability to safely use all the
wing fuel without risking fuel starvation.
The addition of the 8 litter collector with a sight gauge and low level
warning light allows me to safely drain all the available fuel from the
wing tanks and safely land with as little as 4-6 litters of useable
fuel.
The other advantage is that my battery is now in the engine compartment
saving me 12 feet of high amperage cable running the length of the a/c
and the stator now gets full battery voltage.
Save weight in cable and I don't have to carry a lot of wing fuel that
can't safely be used.
This works for me.
Regards
Carl
701/912
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| Subject: | Re: BIG tires on 801 |
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Hi John,
Don't know about 801s but look at this 701 for ideas:
http://qualitysportplanes.com/qsp-2006_027.htm
On 20 Sep 2008 at 21:01, John Swartout wrote:
>
> Have any of you 801 builders put big tundra tires on your airplane? You would
have to put a huge
> fork on the nose gear, I would think. Kind of awkward on a tri-gear, but I wonder
if anybody's
> done it.
>
> John
>
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>
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