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1. 05:59 AM - Re: Propeller and Spinner Balance (txpilot)
2. 07:07 AM - Re: Pulled Rivet Removal Help Sought (n85ae)
3. 08:35 AM - Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p?=. : throttle change (ronlee)
4. 09:02 AM - Re: Business List (Stanley Challgren)
5. 09:06 AM - Fw: GPS Data card (Chuck Deiterich)
6. 09:31 AM - Re: Inspection Plates (Chuck Deiterich)
7. 10:19 AM - Re: GPS Data card (n85ae)
8. 10:43 AM - a report on 801BW on Full Lotus floats (Keystone Engineering LLC)
9. 02:37 PM - Re: a report on 801BW on Full Lotus floats (MacDonald Doug)
10. 04:16 PM - Open Hangar Day (Tommy Walker)
11. 06:23 PM - Re: Business List (Larry)
12. 06:35 PM - Re: Business List (Joemotis@aol.com)
13. 09:01 PM - Re: Business List (Stanley Challgren)
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| Subject: | Re: Propeller and Spinner Balance |
That's good information to know, George. Thanks for sharing it. I'm glad the
solution worked out so well for you.
Dan Ginty
N787DG
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| Subject: | Re: Pulled Rivet Removal Help Sought |
Just hit each rivet head with the drill enough to shear the heads off, the
bodies will pop right out, or can be tapped out with a punch. Don't try to
drill any more than it takes to remove the head. You can also tug the
bodies out with pliers from the back side.
Speaking from experience unskinning an entire wing panel, I can say
with reasonable certainty that you can do a LOT of rivets damage free this way.
Regards,
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p?=. : Zenith701801-List: throttle |
change
I removed my right hand throttle for several reasons. It had to overcome the friction
of the original system system to work, it would not work at all with the
Vernier throttle, it would rattle, it necessitated another hole in the firewall
that noise and fumes would enter and after sitting in the right seat I found
it was no problem at all to reach over and use the left hand throttle as the
plane isn't very wide.
Ron Lee
Tucson, AZ
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| Subject: | Re: Business List |
On Sep 14, 2008, at 9:05 , Larry wrote:
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> I have a UHS fiberglass spinner on my plane. It really wobbles.
> This is the second one.
Larry:
Our first UHS spinner partially came off in turbulent air on our 601.
The second one came apart 5 minutes into its first flight and in the
process destroyed a nearly new Sensenich prop. A total loss of about
$900 due to a very large air bubble in the fiberglass. No
satisfaction from the UHS owner so my next spinner and prop was
purchased from Pete at USJabiru. No problems with it.
I am now getting a metal spinner from Pete for my 701.
Stan
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| Subject: | Fw: GPS Data card |
I have a Garmin GPS/COM GNC 250XL. I really like it and it works very
well. I only fly VFR and my data base is about 2001 (front panel
removable data card). If anyone has replaced their 150XL or 250XL data
card, I would interested in a more recent data card than I now have.
Chuck D.
N701TX
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| Subject: | Re: Inspection Plates |
Dan,
I have an inspection plate under each wing tank outlet. I can and have
changed out the fuel line from the tank to the fuel valve at my wingroot
just above the door through this opening. One valve for each tank, one
always closed.
I have inspection plates over the fuel gauge senders on the top of the
wing (tank).
I mounted my strobe power supplies on the spar extension at the wing
tips, (saves wire weight and high voltage spikes over long wires).
My fiberglass wing tips are removable as I used anchor nuts and screws
to attach them. Power supplies and tip lights are removable with the
tip off. Also I can somewhat inspect the interior of the wing from
here. See http://www.geocities.com/cffd66/Airplane/Strobe/Strobe.html
C. Deiterich
N701TX
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| Subject: | Re: GPS Data card |
I have a GNC-250XL as well, I finally went out and bought the Jeppesen
updater. Sure is convenient to get the download and reflash the card. I
just hate the cost. Currently the way Jepp does it is via the card
programmer so not sure you'll find somebody with 'old' cards.
Regards,
Jeff
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| Subject: | a report on 801BW on Full Lotus floats |
I now have 25 hours on my Zenithair CH 801 on 2150 Full Lotus Floats.
Unfortunately I was busy early in the summer and did not get the floats on
until August so my experience is limited. With winter approaching I will be
taking off floats shortly. I must admit the only other float planes I have
any time in are a C185 and a C206 both on amphibious floats. Both are
grossed out and on the front CG limit with two people and 50 gallons of gas.
I installed the floats with a higher than normal angle of incidence. That
is the angle between the floats and the chord of the wing. Because the 801
has such a large amount of lift at high angle of attack, I figured I needed
more than the "normal" 4 degrees. I probably have at least 7 degrees.
Cessna drivers are aghast at the angle. Full Lotus's only concern was that
I not get into an "open alligator mouth" problem. That is the drag from the
top of the floats would reduce the cruise speed too much and create too much
drag. The only down side I have found is seeing over the cowl while step
taxiing.
I have always had nagging problems with over heating. They became extreme
when I went on floats. I finally figured out I needed to open up the bottom
of the cowl to let more air out.
When I asked Zenithair about gross weight on floats I was told to maintain
my useful load. On wheels my empty is about 1200 lbs and gross is 2200 lbs.
The floats added about 170 lbs over the weight of the wheels.
The other night I loaded up the plane to 2200 lbs. This is about 800 lbs of
useful load. At sea level I was operating it in and out of less than 1000'
of water. It was dead calm and the water was glassy.
I asked my passenger who flys a C185 on floats what he thought. I got a
blank stare. It is like asking a truck driver what he thinks about riding
on your motorcycle. He said every thing is different. An example is he
said in his plane you had to put in full aileron to lift the float out of
the water. I just had a slight stick movement to lift the float.
I look at the Full Lotus Floats as a new generation of floats. I remember
when all white water kayaks were long and round. They are now short and
flat. Full Lotus is just keeping up with the times and changes in
materials.
I have not really been successful getting the 801 to step turn. The only
turns I have been able to make are very slow turns. Unless I really pull
the power I am in the air before I can get set up to do a step turn.
One really nice thing about the floats is since they are full of air they
adsorb much of the sharp impact from waves. Last week I was operating in
white caps that were just starting to have streaks. The impact to the plane
by the waves was not any where as noticeable as on conventional floats.
The only disadvantage I have found is the nose of the floats will bury
easily. Do not push the nose forward once you get to the sweet spot. When
I first started I did this both on landing and on take off. The angle of
attach becomes extreme both up and down. To my surprise the forces were not
that great. On landing pull the power and it settles down in one
oscillation. On take off the angle of attach and speed were high enough the
plane flew. I now always make sure the nose is well above the horizon prior
to touching down. I also probably drag the tails more than I should when I
take off. The factory says that I may want to move the plane back 1" to
reduce this tendency.
I must admit I feel like the talk of the town. Every body wants to look and
see how short it gets off. It is really different checking the air pressure
rather than pumping out the floats.
There are some things I plan on fixing this winter. The way I set up my
water rudders when the plane is heavy and the floats are in the water the
stiffeners flex upwards and loosen the water rudder cables. I will add the
second water rudder this winter and I will also reroute the cables so the
length doesn't change.
I will probably just set the angle of incidence at 6 degrees next year. I
am also going to modify some of my connections at the floats to improve the
strength and durability. I have not any problems but they are not they way
they should be.
Bill Wilcox
Valdez, AK
N801BW
395 hrs
About ready to come off floats for the winter
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| Subject: | Re: a report on 801BW on Full Lotus floats |
Bob, gald to hear that you are having good luck with the Full Lotus floats. I
had a set of 1200s on an ultralight a couple of years ago, they worked fairly
well but were very sensitive to balance.
The one big problem I had was a buildup of condensation inside the badders. I
dumped about a litre of water out of each badder after one season. This is with
the plane sitting out of the water while not in use. Given that you are in
Alaska, it would probably be a good idea for you to deflate and pull each badder
and make sure that there is no water buildup before it has a chance to freeze
and stretch the badders.
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 scratch Builder
NW Ontario, Canada
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>
> I look at the Full Lotus Floats as a new generation of
> floats. I remember
> when all white water kayaks were long and round. They are
> now short and
> flat. Full Lotus is just keeping up with the times and
> changes in
> materials.
>
> Bill Wilcox
> Valdez, AK
> N801BW
> 395 hrs
> About ready to come off floats for the winter
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701/801 er's
Got back Monday evening from the Open Hangar event. We had a lot of fun and met
several of the builders. There were some good info sessions during the open
house also. Mark Townsend did a super job with his session. Also Gus is one
smart guy. If you didn't look yet, check out Jon Croke's newsletter site for
pictures.
Re 701 and fuel burn: During the first leg, we burned 7 gallons from the right
tank and 3 from the left tank. Well on the next leg, we concentrated on keeping
the wings level and heading on task. We arrived at Mexico with 3 gallons
in the right tank and two in the left. The gauges indicated that the fuel burn
was equal for both tanks during that leg. Could it be a problem is with the
way we fly our 701's?
We had a great tailwind going up, but on the return leg we fought turbulence, wind
shear and headwinds. I think we averaged about 65 mph. The gph was good
though.
I am going to attach a pic (hopefully) of downwind on final returning to our home
base Monday at about 6:30 PM CDT.
Tommy Walker in Alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Business List |
I sent my backing plate to UHS at their request after I told them it
wobbled. They said they couldn't comprehend what the problem was. Any
idiot can take a caliber and see that it is a 10th of an inch out of
round. I mean like what else can you say, if it's out of round, it will
wobble. I told them to send it back, and they did. They won't answer
e-mails or phone calls. What a nice company.
I don't like getting screwed and I am not through with them. As soon as
I can I will make them a nice web page on my site.
Being a fiberglass guy for years I could tell them what caused it and
how to have it not happen again, but I wouldn't if they asked. I fixed
my backing plate, should have done it in the first place.
Take care, Larry N1345L
Stanley Challgren wrote:
> <challgren@mac.com>
>
>
> On Sep 14, 2008, at 9:05 , Larry wrote:
>
>>
>> I have a UHS fiberglass spinner on my plane. It really wobbles.
>> This is the second one.
>
> Larry:
>
> Our first UHS spinner partially came off in turbulent air on our 601.
> The second one came apart 5 minutes into its first flight and in the
> process destroyed a nearly new Sensenich prop. A total loss of about
> $900 due to a very large air bubble in the fiberglass. No
> satisfaction from the UHS owner so my next spinner and prop was
> purchased from Pete at USJabiru. No problems with it.
>
> I am now getting a metal spinner from Pete for my 701.
>
> Stan
>
>
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>
> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Business List |
In a message dated 9/24/2008 6:23:55 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
lrm@skyhawg.com writes:
Our first UHS spinner partially came off in turbulent air on our 601.
> The second one came apart 5 minutes into its first flight and in the
> process destroyed a nearly new Sensenich prop. A total loss of about
> $900 due to a very large air bubble in the fiberglass.
Did UHS cover the damages caused by the failure of their faulty part?
Thanks
Joe Motis
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| Subject: | Re: Business List |
Joe:
No, I got a reduced rate of $100 or thereabouts for the second spinner
which lasted about 5 minutes. No response on my reporting the second
failure.
Stan
On Sep 24, 2008, at 19:35 , Joemotis@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 9/24/2008 6:23:55 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, lrm@skyhawg.com
> writes:
> Our first UHS spinner partially came off in turbulent air on our 601.
> > The second one came apart 5 minutes into its first flight and in the
> > process destroyed a nearly new Sensenich prop. A total loss of
> about
> > $900 due to a very large air bubble in the fiberglass.
> Did UHS cover the damages caused by the failure of their faulty part?
>
> Thanks
> Joe Motis
>
> Do not archive
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