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1. 01:34 AM - =?ISO-8859-1?Q?A=E9roclub_de_Montaigu? (Iberplanes IGL)
2. 06:00 AM - 701 Flap Angle choices (kmccune)
3. 06:02 AM - Chat Room Reminder For "Digesters" (George Race)
4. 06:47 AM - Re: 701 Flap Angle choices (MacDonald Doug)
5. 06:58 AM - Door tube frames (mcolbeck)
6. 07:23 AM - Re: Door tube frames (Larry)
7. 09:30 AM - Re: Door tube frames (Craig Payne)
8. 11:41 AM - Re: Zenith CH750 Detail Pictures (bearup)
9. 11:47 AM - Re: Door tube frames (carl)
10. 01:02 PM - Re: 701 Flap Angle choices (river1)
11. 01:24 PM - Re: 701 Flap Angle choices (kmccune)
12. 02:55 PM - Re: 701/Corvair Info Request (Brady)
13. 03:25 PM - Re: Zenith CH750 Detail Pictures (Brady)
14. 04:18 PM - Re: Re: 701 Flap Angle choices (Les Goldner)
15. 04:42 PM - 701 flap angle choices (Joe Spencer)
16. 06:04 PM - Re: Zenith701801-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 10/24/08 (Michael Herder)
17. 07:50 PM - Re: Zenith CH750 Detail Pictures (bearup)
18. 08:13 PM - Re: Zenith CH750 Detail Pictures (Brady)
19. 08:53 PM - Re: Zenith CH750 Detail Pictures (Randy L. Thwing)
20. 09:10 PM - Re: 701 Flap Angle choices (Gary Gower)
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| Subject: | =?ISO-8859-1?Q?A=E9roclub_de_Montaigu? |
*Hello Friends,
I=B4m looking for someone near or currently flying at this French Aerodrome
. I
need to stablish an email contact off-line.
many thanks in advance.
A=E9ro-Clubs**A=E9roclub de Montaigu*
Adresse : A=E9rodrome Montaigu
Les landes de Corprais
85600 SAINT-GEORGES DE MONTAIGU
http://www.flygoto.com/OACI/Aerodrome/GPS/Gpx/LFFW/
Alberto Martin
www.iberplanes.es
Igualada - Barcelona - Spain
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Zodiac 601 XL Builder
Serial: 6-7011
Tail Kit: Finished
Wings: Not Started
Fuselage: Ordered
Engine: Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | 701 Flap Angle choices |
Didn't the older non SP versions have two flap angle choices with on being 30 degrees
or so? What was the reason for this change. Mine will have multiple settings
ala QPS kube kontrol. But is there any advantage to making a setting for
for a steeper angle like the older models have? I searched the old archive but
couldn't find the reason for this.
Thanks
Kevin
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you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover.
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| Subject: | Chat Room Reminder For "Digesters" |
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Flap Angle choices |
Kevin, I might be wrong about the reason for the flapperon change but I seem to
remember it was inexpirienced pilots trying to land the older 701s with the second
knotch of flapperon on like a Cessna 152. When the second knotch is deployed,
the 701 truly will have the glide performance of a grand piano. This is
good if yu are trying to get into a short strip and know the technique for doing
so. If you try to lift the nose at 50 ft with the second knotch of flapperon
on and the engine at idle, you are going to bend some aluminum.
It is all about maintiaining enough momentum in the descent to allow a proper round
out and flare or being able to add the right amount of power at the right
time.
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch Builder
NW Ontario, Canada
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--- On Sun, 10/26/08, kmccune <kmccune@somtel.net> wrote:
>
> Didn't the older non SP versions have two flap angle
> choices with on being 30 degrees or so? What was the reason
> for this change. Mine will have multiple settings ala QPS
> kube kontrol. But is there any advantage to making a setting
> for for a steeper angle like the older models have? I
> searched the old archive but couldn't find the reason
> for this.
>
>
> Thanks
> Kevin
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| Subject: | Door tube frames |
Has anyone had any trouble with the pre bent tube frames for the doors? I created
the template out of plywood so that the frame will just tuck inside the door
opening. When I match that up to the pre bent tube from ZAC it is out. The frame
is wider than my template so the tube would be hitting the sides when closing
the doors. Does anyone have advice on the best way to re bend the 1/2" tubing?
I think if I can bend again in a couple of places I will be able to get
it where i need. I have heard of filling the tube with sugar or something?
--------
CH701 Builder and new flyer
Rudder, HS, and Elevator completed
Left wing Complete
50% complete on Right Wing
99% Complete on Fuselage
Engine installed almost ready to fire
Instrument panel and electrical Complete
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| Subject: | Re: Door tube frames |
Sand works, so I heard. However, I've tried it and it still crimped. I
probably didn't pack it enough or something, Larry
mcolbeck wrote:
>
> Has anyone had any trouble with the pre bent tube frames for the doors? I created
the template out of plywood so that the frame will just tuck inside the door
opening. When I match that up to the pre bent tube from ZAC it is out. The
frame is wider than my template so the tube would be hitting the sides when closing
the doors. Does anyone have advice on the best way to re bend the 1/2"
tubing? I think if I can bend again in a couple of places I will be able to get
it where i need. I have heard of filling the tube with sugar or something?
>
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> CH701 Builder and new flyer
> Rudder, HS, and Elevator completed
> Left wing Complete
> 50% complete on Right Wing
> 99% Complete on Fuselage
> Engine installed almost ready to fire
> Instrument panel and electrical Complete
>
>
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210332#210332
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| Subject: | Door tube frames |
I bent the canopy hoops on the 601XL by packing them with sand and bending
them around form blocks. But the hoops are a fairly large radius. For
reference the radius of my smallest form block was about 6 inches.
You do need a fair amount of force to make bends. My rig force the blocks
against the tube with large C-clamps.
One thing that helps lower the chance of kinking is to have a trough in the
form blocks that matches the cross-section of the tube.
-- Craig
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From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mcolbeck
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 7:58 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Door tube frames
<mark@masterpiece-inc.com>
Has anyone had any trouble with the pre bent tube frames for the doors? I
created the template out of plywood so that the frame will just tuck inside
the door opening. When I match that up to the pre bent tube from ZAC it is
out. The frame is wider than my template so the tube would be hitting the
sides when closing the doors. Does anyone have advice on the best way to re
bend the 1/2" tubing? I think if I can bend again in a couple of places I
will be able to get it where i need. I have heard of filling the tube with
sugar or something?
--------
CH701 Builder and new flyer
Rudder, HS, and Elevator completed
Left wing Complete
50% complete on Right Wing
99% Complete on Fuselage
Engine installed almost ready to fire
Instrument panel and electrical Complete
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith CH750 Detail Pictures |
Another engine choice to consider for the CH 750, especially for float operations,
is the Franklin 4A-235. This engine is rated at 125 HP and is designed as
a direct replacement for the Continental O-200. It mounts on an O-200 engine mount,
has nearly the same physical dimensions, and weighs about the same as an
O-200. New engines will soon be available as well. I currently have one of one,
and plan to install it on a CH 750 that I have yet to order. My plane will
be going on floats as well. For more information, check out the links below.
Stan
http://www.franklin-engines.com
http://www.franklinengines.com/4a.cfm
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| Subject: | Re: Door tube frames |
I built in 95 and made the mistake of bending the door tubes with too little
clearance around the door frame causing interference making the doors hard
to close. I built a set of bubble doors last winter and allowing 2" all
around and found that much better. For bending I fill with sand and use 2'
oak form block (about 4" radius)with a routered 1/2" groove to fit the
pipe. Results were good with very little kinking.
Carl
701/912
----- Original Message -----
From: "mcolbeck" <mark@masterpiece-inc.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 9:58 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Door tube frames
> <mark@masterpiece-inc.com>
>
> Has anyone had any trouble with the pre bent tube frames for the doors? I
> created the template out of plywood so that the frame will just tuck
> inside the door opening. When I match that up to the pre bent tube from
> ZAC it is out. The frame is wider than my template so the tube would be
> hitting the sides when closing the doors. Does anyone have advice on the
> best way to re bend the 1/2" tubing? I think if I can bend again in a
> couple of places I will be able to get it where i need. I have heard of
> filling the tube with sugar or something?
>
> --------
> CH701 Builder and new flyer
> Rudder, HS, and Elevator completed
> Left wing Complete
> 50% complete on Right Wing
> 99% Complete on Fuselage
> Engine installed almost ready to fire
> Instrument panel and electrical Complete
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210332#210332
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>
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Flap Angle choices |
Hello Kevin , I have a set of first edition drawings . There's only one flap setting
(30). If I have to guess the reason for the change , the previous answer
sounds like the right one .
PR
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Flap Angle choices |
So it was 30 then, the photos I've seen show 3 notches, so maybe the builders
made a intermediate flap setting? I had guessed that the photos showing two notches
were of the SP model, guess I should have paid more attention.
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Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that
you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover.
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| Subject: | Re: 701/Corvair Info Request |
Chris,
What is it you would like to know?
My Wings, Rudder & FWF are done and one of my engines is running.
Starting my Fuselage and another engine. (first one sold)
I also have a bunch of the misc. weldments completed and some other hardware.
Nothing really spectacular unless you want to talk about engine developments and
new products.
The Next engine that I am assembling is going to have my New rotating assembly
in it and the aluminum Nikasil Cylinders.
It will be the lightest Corvair aircraft conversion running to date.
I believe it will weigh less than 200 pounds, putting it well within the limits
Chris Heintz has specified of 185 lbs.
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Brady McCormick
Poulsbo, WA
www.magnificentmachine.com
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith CH750 Detail Pictures |
Bear,
I looked at the Franklin 4 you mentioned, Very nice engine!
But I have a couple questions.
First of which is cost, how much do those things cost?
Second is that its a 205 pound four cylinder.
The Four cylinders don't run as smooth as the 6 and if you are going to take on
the weight you might as well get a smooth running 6 cylinder.
The O-200 is not well known to be smooth runner.
The 750 is a perfect match for the Corvair!
I can build you two Corvairs with Fifth bearings and all my new parts for the price
of one Jabiru.
And you can overhaul both Corvairs for what it costs to do the Jabiru once.
How that relates to the Franklins I don't know.
I haven't priced the parts for an overhaul.
Just my Heavily Biased Opinion :)
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Brady McCormick
Poulsbo, WA
www.magnificentmachine.com
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Flap Angle choices |
Hi Guys,
I have one of the flap handles great better mechanical advantage (sold by
Quality Sport Plane LTD. in Cloverdale Ca.). It has 4 easy to deploy
settings, about 5-10-15-and 20-degrees. At 20 degrees I feel like the plane
is standing still when it lands and it will drop very rapidly if you don't
keep up the speed or if you don't give it some power. It "STOLs" great, but
you really have to work at keeping it from dropping too fast.
Doug MacDonald is right when he says it has the flying characteristics of a
piano.
Les
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of kmccune
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 1:24 PM
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Flap Angle choices
>
> <kmccune@somtel.net>
>
> So it was 30 then, the photos I've seen show 3 notches, so
> maybe the builders made a intermediate flap setting? I had
> guessed that the photos showing two notches were of the SP
> model, guess I should have paid more attention.
>
> --------
> Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more
> disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the
> ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from
> the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails.
> Explore. Dream. Discover.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210386#210386
>
>
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>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
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| Subject: | 701 flap angle choices |
I added a second notch to mine. I see why Zenith took the second notch
out...while the second setting does add some noticeable stability when
approaching at very slow IAS, it can and does fall out from you without
much warning and the likely result is crunching it if it happens very
high and you don't quickly catch it with power.
Joe
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Today's Message Index:
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1. 03:55 AM - Re: rotax wiring (Geoff Heap)
2. 05:15 AM - Re: rotax wiring (bobkat)
3. 05:21 AM - Re: need help with 912 rotax GROUND MAGNITO's hook up
(bobkat)
4. 05:27 AM - Re: Cold WX Ops (bobkat)
5. 05:33 AM - Flapperon setting (bobkat)
6. 05:46 AM - Re: rotax wiring (Geoff Heap)
7. 05:54 AM - Re: need help with 912 rotax GROUND MAGNITO's hook up
(Geoff Heap)
8. 06:27 AM - Re: Re: need help with 912 rotax GROUND MAGNITO's hook up
(BokKat)
9. 07:16 AM - Re: Re: Cold WX Ops (Brad Larson)
10. 07:33 AM - Re: Re: Cold WX Ops (BokKat)
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Time: 03:55:00 AM PST US
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: rotax wiring
From: "Geoff Heap" <stol10@comcast.net>
Thanks Brian.
Boy, the list is dead lately. Only concrete answer I've got. No answer on
the Rotax
list at all.....Geoff
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Time: 05:15:56 AM PST US
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: rotax wiring
From: "bobkat" <bobkat@btinet.net>
Geoff's pictures were great and explained it well, Brian. I had just
replaced
the two plugs on a 912 I have on a Kitfox and wish I'd seen his pictures
before
ti tackled the job.
My 912 S came already wired and ready to go though. The rest of the rest of
the
wiring I got right out of the Installation manual and Dynon Instruction
book.
Pretty straight forward.
Bob
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Time: 05:21:20 AM PST US
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: need help with 912 rotax GROUND MAGNITO's
hook
up
From: "bobkat" <bobkat@btinet.net>
To get the plug apart there is a small tab to push while you are pulling it
apart.
It comes off easily enough if you find the correct tab to push. Then wire
the Mag wire to a terminal as per the picture Geoff or Brian posted, then
push
the terminal into the plug till it clicks, then plug the plug back in.
Don't
push the terminal into the plug till you have wired and soldered it as you
might not be able to get it out again. Wire it up first! Then wire the
other
end of the mag wire to the mg switch you are going to use.
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Time: 05:27:53 AM PST US
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Cold WX Ops
From: "bobkat" <bobkat@btinet.net>
Great suggestions that I probably will be able to use in cold ND! For
preflight
I've used an engine cover (and old Kennon from a 172) and attatched a 4 inch
rubber flex tube to a ceramic heater which I shove under the cowling and
hook
up the heater to a timer set to come on 2 or 3 hours before I plan to fly.
If
the battery is not in front of the firewall and won't also get heated by the
heater (on my Kitfox) I wired in a small 12 volt battery charger with a
float
feature and hook it up to the heater and timer too.
I doubt a charger will be necessary for the 701 as the battery is in front
of the
firewall and will get heated along with the engine.
Most of our rural airports have 120 volt plug ins which are great for
keeping planes
warm while enjoying the $100.00 hamburger or breakfast! Harder to find an
"electric bush" out on the ice of some lake when we ice fish!
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Time: 05:33:38 AM PST US
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Flapperon setting
From: "bobkat" <bobkat@btinet.net>
According to ZAC the inboard flapperon part is to be set on the same plane
as the
top of the wing, basically zero degrees from it.
I'm told that there are a lot of Champs and Cubs that through trial and
error the
older A @ P's found that setting ailerons in a slightly negative position
would
give them another 4 or 5 mph over the zero setting. I wonder if anyone has
tried this on a 701?
As the flapperon in the 701 is set for the outboard one to be a bit negative
with
reference to the inboard one it is already slightly negative to the wing
when
the inboard one is set 0 to the wing. So I'm curious if this would make any
difference?
Bob
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Time: 05:46:34 AM PST US
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: rotax wiring
From: "Geoff Heap" <stol10@comcast.net>
I'm Geoff. I had the question. Brian is the Guy with the first class
photo's. Give
him the credit, not me..............Geoff
Working on the Electrical. Rotax80hp/Dynon D180/Garmin 296/Icom
AC-A210/Dual controls/Becker
transponder. Electronics Fool
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Time: 05:54:19 AM PST US
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: need help with 912 rotax GROUND MAGNITO's
hook
up
From: "Geoff Heap" <stol10@comcast.net>
The Tab on top seems to be completely unmovable. This is why I sought help.
I assume
there would be a tab on the opposite side also, which would be on the
bottom.
I can't even SEE it because the two plugs sit so close to each other...Geoff
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Time: 06:27:29 AM PST US
From: "BokKat" <bobkat@btinet.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: need help with 912 rotax GROUND
MAGNITO's hook
up
Yes, the little tab is hard to see and figure out. When you push it down
don't get frustrated like I did and inadvertently break the little
crosspiece of plastic that holds the tab. This is why I had to solder new
plugs on in the first place. Because I screwed up and pushed too hard and
pried on the little piece of plastic that holds the tab instead of just
pushing down on the tab. They are similar to regular automotive plugs so
if you have a mechanic buddy, get him to show you how to do it. That's what
I ended up doing.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff Heap" <stol10@comcast.net>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 7:54 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: need help with 912 rotax GROUND MAGNITO's
hook up
>
> The Tab on top seems to be completely unmovable. This is why I sought
> help. I assume there would be a tab on the opposite side also, which would
> be on the bottom. I can't even SEE it because the two plugs sit so close
> to each other...Geoff
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210085#210085
>
>
>
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Time: 07:16:29 AM PST US
From: Brad Larson <blarson@meridianhouse.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: Cold WX Ops
Another 701 in North Dakota! Where are you located? I'm 30 miles north
of Fargo.
bobkat wrote:
>
> Great suggestions that I probably will be able to use in cold ND! For
preflight
I've used an engine cover (and old Kennon from a 172) and attatched a 4 inch
rubber flex tube to a ceramic heater which I shove under the cowling and
hook
up the heater to a timer set to come on 2 or 3 hours before I plan to fly.
If the battery is not in front of the firewall and won't also get heated by
the
heater (on my Kitfox) I wired in a small 12 volt battery charger with a
float
feature and hook it up to the heater and timer too.
> I doubt a charger will be necessary for the 701 as the battery is in front
of
the firewall and will get heated along with the engine.
> Most of our rural airports have 120 volt plug ins which are great for
keeping
planes warm while enjoying the $100.00 hamburger or breakfast! Harder to
find
an "electric bush" out on the ice of some lake when we ice fish!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210080#210080
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 10
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Time: 07:33:43 AM PST US
From: "BokKat" <bobkat@btinet.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: Cold WX Ops
Bismarck, ND! There's another one 20 miles from Grand Forks and one in
Hawley, Minn, though I haven't seen them! I've got about 25 hours on the
test flight program so far. Nice little plane, although slower than my
Kitfox!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad Larson" <blarson@meridianhouse.com>
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: Cold WX Ops
> <blarson@meridianhouse.com>
>
> Another 701 in North Dakota! Where are you located? I'm 30 miles north
> of Fargo.
>
> bobkat wrote:
>>
>> Great suggestions that I probably will be able to use in cold ND! For
>> preflight I've used an engine cover (and old Kennon from a 172) and
>> attatched a 4 inch rubber flex tube to a ceramic heater which I shove
>> under the cowling and hook up the heater to a timer set to come on 2 or 3
>> hours before I plan to fly. If the battery is not in front of the
>> firewall and won't also get heated by the heater (on my Kitfox) I wired
>> in a small 12 volt battery charger with a float feature and hook it up to
>> the heater and timer too.
>> I doubt a charger will be necessary for the 701 as the battery is in
>> front of the firewall and will get heated along with the engine. Most of
>> our rural airports have 120 volt plug ins which are great for keeping
>> planes warm while enjoying the $100.00 hamburger or breakfast! Harder to
>> find an "electric bush" out on the ice of some lake when we ice fish!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210080#210080
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith CH750 Detail Pictures |
Brady,
I am not positive what these 125 HP Franklin engine will cost once re-introduced to the US market, but I was told by the Franklin Engine factory representative last year that there will be a choice between the engine being carbureted or fuel injected, and will be in the $14K - $17K range. Franklin engines are known for being near sewing machine smooth, and I can attest to this. I have flown behind Franklin engines in the past, and I know them to be much more smoother running than Lycominig and Continental engines. This is due to a fluid torsion damper that is integral to the Franklin engine crankshafts. I recently purchased a very low time Franklin 4A-235 engine for $7,000 and have a second one being overhauled by Greg Lucas of www.cglucas.com in Pauls Vallley, OK.
Check out these benefits of the 125 hp Franklin engine:
FAA Certified - Factory New
Direct Drive - no gear reduction box
Smooth running - low rpm power
Unmatched horsepower / torque ratio
Most Economical engine in its class
Built-in crankshaft torsion damper
Proven Reliability
254 lb-ft torque at 2800 rpm!
RELIABILITY:
These are NEW FAA-certified aircraft engines, not a rebuild of a high time engine
that has been subjected to years of unknown treatment. Because these engines
are used in helicopters (6-cylinder model), where they are turned at 3200 RPM,
they are under stressed in fixed-wing aircraft where they are operated at 2800
RPM.
SENSIBLE ENGINEERING:
The cylinders, bearings, valves, lifters, connecting rods, etc., are common throughout
the engine line production, reducing cost and parts inventory problems.
The cylinders have removable sleeves (cost only about $80 each!) that are field
replaceable, the camshaft is on the bottom of the engine, and the oil pump
is in the sump, so there is less chance of losing its prime and the resulting
dry starts, especially in cold weather. There is a removable top cover on the
crankcase so that the inside of the engine can be easily inspected. The exhaust
ports have insulating sleeves to reduce cooling requirements and simplify installation
of exhaust manifolds. Further, the engine can be easily adapted for
inverted oil systems.
SMOOTHNESS:
All Franklin/PZL engines have built in fluid damper on the crankshaft which makes
then the smoothest aircraft engines of their size.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210435#210435
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith CH750 Detail Pictures |
Uh oh,
Now you've got my attention.
I've never heard of them before but I will have to look into these further.
They sound like they have some good design and may have something to offer the
Corvair community. :)
Thank you for responding
I will do some further research on them for sure.
There price is a pleasant surprise!
Still about the price of a Jabiru but sounds like a better engine.
FAA approved and all.
--------
Brady McCormick
Poulsbo, WA
www.magnificentmachine.com
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| Subject: | Re: Zenith CH750 Detail Pictures |
do not archive
Since the discussion has turned to Franklin engines, I thought you might
like to see what one looks like. This is one I have "on the shelf". It was
purchased to reengine our "first issue" 1959 Cessna 150. We have since
overhauled the original O-200. We still intend to do the project one day.
This is a Polish PZL that has 3 hours since new.
Franklin engines were originally built in Syracuse, New York. If it is a US
made engine, I refer to it as a "Syracuse Franklin".
If it was built in Poland, I use the term: "PZL Franklin".
This engine is a PZL, but has been retrofitted with a original "Syracuse"
Franklin oil sump and intake system. This is supposed to return it to the
original 125 H.P.
As furnished by PZL with their intake and sump system, I believe it is rated
at only 115 H.P.
I'm glad to hear they will continue to be made and imported. I also have a
two cylinder 60 HP "Syracuse" Franklin. I also am a fan of their design.
Regards,
Randy, Las Vegas
----- Original Message -----
From: "bearup" <bearup@ida.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 6:50 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Zenith CH750 Detail Pictures
>
> Brady,
> I am not positive what these 125 HP Franklin engine will cost once
> re-introduced to the US market, but I was told by the Franklin Engine
> factory representative last year that there will be a choice between the
> engine being carbureted or fuel injected, and will be in the $14K - $17K
> range. Franklin engines are known for being near sewing machine smooth,
> and I can attest to this. I have flown behind Franklin engines in the
> past, and I know them to be much more smoother running than Lycominig and
> Continental engines. This is due to a fluid torsion damper that is
> integral to the Franklin engine crankshafts. I recently purchased a very
> low time Franklin 4A-235 engine for $7,000 and have a second one being
> overhauled by Greg Lucas of www.cglucas.com in Pauls Vallley, OK.
>
> Check out these benefits of the 125 hp Franklin engine:
>
> FAA Certified - Factory New
>
> Direct Drive - no gear reduction box
>
> Smooth running - low rpm power
>
> Unmatched horsepower / torque ratio
>
> Most Economical engine in its class
>
> Built-in crankshaft torsion damper
>
> Proven Reliability
>
> 254 lb-ft torque at 2800 rpm!
>
> RELIABILITY:
> These are NEW FAA-certified aircraft engines, not a rebuild of a high time
> engine that has been subjected to years of unknown treatment. Because
> these engines are used in helicopters (6-cylinder model), where they are
> turned at 3200 RPM, they are under stressed in fixed-wing aircraft where
> they are operated at 2800 RPM.
>
> SENSIBLE ENGINEERING:
> The cylinders, bearings, valves, lifters, connecting rods, etc., are
> common throughout the engine line production, reducing cost and parts
> inventory problems. The cylinders have removable sleeves (cost only about
> $80 each!) that are field replaceable, the camshaft is on the bottom of
> the engine, and the oil pump is in the sump, so there is less chance of
> losing its prime and the resulting dry starts, especially in cold weather.
> There is a removable top cover on the crankcase so that the inside of the
> engine can be easily inspected. The exhaust ports have insulating sleeves
> to reduce cooling requirements and simplify installation of exhaust
> manifolds. Further, the engine can be easily adapted for inverted oil
> systems.
>
> SMOOTHNESS:
> All Franklin/PZL engines have built in fluid damper on the crankshaft
> which makes then the smoothest aircraft engines of their size.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210435#210435
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Flap Angle choices |
Hello Kevin,
-
First hand experience:- Is not needed at all, in fact dangerous.- We ma
de the flap handle with the 3 slots, only reason:- "Why not? Was there in
the older planes"
When we were very confident with the handling of the 701 (lots of landings
and touch and goes later)- when we thought we were very proficient with t
he first slot (15 deg) we tested a few-(30) slot-aproaches and short la
ndings...
-
The aproach was so steep and the light airplane loosed so much speed (inert
ia) that just imagining an engine failure 30 to-50 feet above the ground
will give us the feeling of very easy to get in a position of-risk of bre
aking the plane and a few bones.--
More than little (too much for-me) -power and nose down position, is ne
eded just to keep tha plane in the 50 mph approach and at flair. No needs f
or a "hands full" situation in flair.
-
Is better to learn (and practice as much as possible) a good 15deg flap app
roach and short landing technique eficiently, that taking the risk to damag
e the plane (and yourself) seriously -with the 30 deg position.- There
are several videos where you can watch efficient short landings in the "nor
mal" 701 using the 15 deg position-.
-
In other words, is like depoying a drag chute in the air.-- For me, not
practical and really not neaded at all,- but is your choice.
-
Hope this helps.-
-
Saludos
Gary Gower
701 912S- landing at high altitude (5,000 ft ASL-plus) strips.--
223 hrs and counting.
-
--- On Sun, 10/26/08, kmccune <kmccune@somtel.net> wrote:
From: kmccune <kmccune@somtel.net>
Subject: Zenith701801-List: 701 Flap Angle choices
<kmccune@somtel.net>
Didn't the older non SP versions have two flap angle choices with on being
30 degrees or so? What was the reason for this change. Mine will have mult
iple
settings ala QPS kube kontrol. But is there any advantage to making a setti
ng
for for a steeper angle like the older models have? I searched the old arch
ive
but couldn't find the reason for this.
Thanks
Kevin
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