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1. 05:25 AM - Any builders / flyers around Huntsville, AL (Keith Ashcraft)
2. 06:12 AM - New CH750 list up and running! (Stefan)
3. 06:54 AM - Re: New CH750 list up and running! (Bob Sturgis)
4. 09:33 AM - 701 Flap Angle choices (Keystone Engineering LLC)
5. 12:05 PM - Re: 701 Flap Angle choices (John Swartout)
6. 01:10 PM - Re: New CH750 list up and running! (Craig Payne)
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| Subject: | Any builders / flyers around Huntsville, AL |
All, Any builder/fliers around Huntsville, AL?
I am going to by TDY in Huntsville week of Nov 2-8.
I would like to stop by and take pictures, make engine noises, help pull rivets,
fly, etc....
Contact me offline.
Thanks,
Keith
CH701 - scratch - still trying to close up elevator
waiting to order rivets for cabin sides
http://picasaweb.google.com/ch701builder
ch701builder@yahoo.com
keith.ashcraft@itt.com
do not archive
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| Subject: | New CH750 list up and running! |
Thanks to Matt we have the Matronics CH750 list up and running. Hope to see you
there and post a message if you are building a CH750. Wil be great to get to
know you.
Thanks, Stefan (Winnipeg)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210765#210765
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| Subject: | Re: New CH750 list up and running! |
=0A=0AThanks Matt,=0A750 will be started in April. Work will not let me sta
rt sooner. Order has been in since day one.=0A=0ABob Sturgis=0ABobefx=0ACha
tsworth California=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Stefan <s
tefan_wagener@hotmail.com>=0ATo: zenith701801-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tu
esday, October 28, 2008 6:11:59 AM=0ASubject: Zenith701801-List: New CH750
<stefan_wagener@hotmail.com>=0A=0AThanks to Matt we have the Matronics CH7
50 list up and running. Hope to see you there and post a message if you are
building a CH750. Wil be great to get to know you.=0A=0AThanks, Stefan (Wi
nnipeg)=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matro
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| Subject: | 701 Flap Angle choices |
Hi
I always take off my 801 with 10-15 degrees flaps. It gets quite a bit of
lift without out much drag at this setting. It flys a slower with a little
flap but you do not get into the problems you have with full flaps. I also
get about 100 fpm extra climb with the take off flap setting. Just remember
to lower them when you get to cruise.
I have taken my 801 with full flaps in the Valdez May Day Fly-in. The 801
flys amazingly slow with full flaps but the adverse yaw needs to be
considered. You can rotate at 20 mph. You will need more nose up trim than
without flaps. Once you get it off the ground you put the nose down and get
the flaps up.
I almost always land with full flaps. OK, I will admit it; I drag it in
with power. The other plane I fly is a 185 on amphibs and I drag it in with
power. The 185 on amphibs will not climb with full flaps! With both
airplanes if you pull the power you need to head toward the runway
immediately! You need to keep your speed up and use the speed energy to
flare.
If you are going to land with full flaps, you should practice full flap go
around at altitude because it takes quite a bit of force to overcome the
nose up trim. I normally don't trim it out completely on final.
As I have said here before do not land with full flaps in a cross wind!
On floats I did not have enough elevator control to use full flaps on
landing. I normally landed with 15 to 20 degrees flaps. Take off was
always with 10-15 degrees flaps
I have installed the longer horizontal tail and have VGs on the bottom of
the horizontal stabilizer. I have the slats on.
Bill Wilcox
Valdez, AK
N801BW
405 hrs
In winter storage
Working on the engine cowl.
Anybody have a view on this issue as for the 801?
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Flap Angle choices |
Bill,, I'm glad you mentioned you have the 10 ft tail. I was told by one of
the Heintz brothers several years ago that the 801 could not be rotated at
less than 40 mph--not a good feature when you can't do a short/rough T.O.
with a bush plane! I'm glad to hear that the bigger HT has taken care of
that. I'll have to order one and build it this winter. I'm starting
painting in a couple weeks, then final engine installation and cowl fitting.
Also I meant to thank you for that very generous and useful and detailed
report you gave on the Full Lotus installation. I plan to do that after a a
season on wheels.
John
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Keystone Engineering LLC <keystone@gci.net
> wrote:
> keystone@gci.net>
>
>
> Hi
>
> I always take off my 801 with 10-15 degrees flaps. It gets quite a bit of
> lift without out much drag at this setting. It flys a slower with a little
> flap but you do not get into the problems you have with full flaps. I also
> get about 100 fpm extra climb with the take off flap setting. Just
> remember
> to lower them when you get to cruise.
>
> I have taken my 801 with full flaps in the Valdez May Day Fly-in. The 801
> flys amazingly slow with full flaps but the adverse yaw needs to be
> considered. You can rotate at 20 mph. You will need more nose up trim
> than
> without flaps. Once you get it off the ground you put the nose down and
> get
> the flaps up.
>
> I almost always land with full flaps. OK, I will admit it; I drag it in
> with power. The other plane I fly is a 185 on amphibs and I drag it in
> with
> power. The 185 on amphibs will not climb with full flaps! With both
> airplanes if you pull the power you need to head toward the runway
> immediately! You need to keep your speed up and use the speed energy to
> flare.
>
> If you are going to land with full flaps, you should practice full flap go
> around at altitude because it takes quite a bit of force to overcome the
> nose up trim. I normally don't trim it out completely on final.
>
> As I have said here before do not land with full flaps in a cross wind!
>
> On floats I did not have enough elevator control to use full flaps on
> landing. I normally landed with 15 to 20 degrees flaps. Take off was
> always with 10-15 degrees flaps
>
> I have installed the longer horizontal tail and have VGs on the bottom of
> the horizontal stabilizer. I have the slats on.
>
> Bill Wilcox
> Valdez, AK
> N801BW
> 405 hrs
> In winter storage
> Working on the engine cowl.
>
>
> Anybody have a view on this issue as for the 801?
>
>
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| Subject: | New CH750 list up and running! |
Although I can see some reason in separating the 701/801 list from the 601
list I don't see the point to the 750 having a distinct list. This means we
now have two archives to search and will see more cross-posting. If the
answer is just "subscribe to both lists" then why have two lists?
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stefan
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 7:12 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: New CH750 list up and running!
<stefan_wagener@hotmail.com>
Thanks to Matt we have the Matronics CH750 list up and running. Hope to see
you there and post a message if you are building a CH750. Wil be great to
get to know you.
Thanks, Stefan (Winnipeg)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210765#210765
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