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1. 09:47 AM - Re: Great news for the School kids at CKJH (Brady)
2. 09:47 AM - Re: need help with 912 rotax GROUND MAGNITO's hook up (Geoff Heap)
3. 10:10 AM - Now I need help with the PM OV module from B@C specialty (Geoff Heap)
4. 11:54 AM - Re: Re: Great news for the School kids at CKJH (Joemotis@aol.com)
5. 12:18 PM - Re: Now I need help with the PM OV module from B@C specialty (Joemotis@aol.com)
6. 12:35 PM - Re: Now I need help with the PM OV module from B@C specialty (Craig Payne)
7. 01:03 PM - Re: Now I need help with the PM OV module from B@C specialty (Geoff Heap)
8. 02:11 PM - Re: Re: Now I need help with the PM OV module from B@C specialty (Craig Payne)
9. 03:03 PM - Re: Great news for the School kids at CKJH (Brady)
10. 03:34 PM - Chat Room Reminder (George Race)
11. 04:06 PM - Re: Re: Great news for the School kids at CKJH (John Marzulli)
12. 04:16 PM - Re: Great news for the School kids at CKJH (kmccune)
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| Subject: | Re: Great news for the School kids at CKJH |
John,
That was me that made the post about the CKJH 701.
I work on it on & off with 2-3 other volunteers.
One of whom is Steve Smith who used to be the shop teacher.
George moved to Italy for a few years, His wife was transferred there by the Navy.
The School program was ditched by the school because they got a new principle and
a new shop teacher. Both of whom were some how threatened by the project.
We tried to bring in an additional teacher who was willing to support it, but because
the school never offered the program to the kids none of them signed up
to take it. So with out the kids to participate there was no funding to pay the
willing teacher.
One of the students actually told me that the new shop teacher had told his class
that "they were not to touch the airplane because the metal causes cancer".
I think he was referring to the Fiberglass cowling the kids were making.
Basically the new faculty wasn't into it so they swept it under.
I have no idea how these people get into the school system?
My Wife has formed a new non-profit for girls called Our Beauty Within.
It is an organization that sponsors programs for girls that build positive self
esteem and positive body image in young girls.
We hope to run a similar program for the girls and build a 601.
We hope to use the Rosy Riveter theme.
www.ourbeautywithin.org
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Brady McCormick
Poulsbo, WA
www.magnificentmachine.com
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| Subject: | Re: need help with 912 rotax GROUND MAGNITO's hook |
up
Thanks to all. I did go back at it and finally got the little $@*%#$## off.
First I pushed (hard) the entire assembly (2 modules) in the aft direction to slip
the both of them off the metal bracket. That gives good access to them both.
NOTE: viewed as installed there are three (3) tabs on mine. One on top, one to
port or stbd, I forget, and one on the bottom. I actually got the top one apart
after accidentally breaking the top one. It was still difficult to get the other
2 because when you get one eased off the tab and go to the other the first
one returns to the locked position. You need 3 hands. For the other (bottom)
one I intentionally cut off the same top tab first. now I can CLICK a terminal
in and out...Thanks for the help.....Geoff
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| Subject: | Now I need help with the PM OV module from B@C specialty |
According to the B&C wiring diagram for the "504-1 PM-OV 14 Volt Over Voltage Module"
I need either a 10 amp or a 15amp fuse to connect to the Power BUS. Depends
on whether I have a SD8, a 200G or a SK10 alternator. This is referring to
my Rotax internal generator. Ive got the 80 HP Rotax UL engine. How do I know
Which type alternator this is. I cannot find anything in the manual. All this
for a Fuse rating. Anybody help please? ......Geoff
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| Subject: | Re: Great news for the School kids at CKJH |
So what happened to the airframe?
Scrapped, sold or sitting outside abandoned at the school?
All of the participants will have a lifetime positive memory from this and
who knows what road in the sky that they will follow because of it in the
future
Joe Motis
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In a message dated 11/3/2008 9:48:05 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
brady@magnificentmachine.com writes:
--> Zenith701801-List message posted by: "Brady"
<brady@magnificentmachine.com>
John,
That was me that made the post about the CKJH 701.
I work on it on & off with 2-3 other volunteers.
One of whom is Steve Smith who used to be the shop teacher.
George moved to Italy for a few years, His wife was transferred there by the
Navy.
The School program was ditched by the school because they got a new
principle and a new shop teacher. Both of whom were some how threatened by the
project.
We tried to bring in an additional teacher who was willing to support it,
but because the school never offered the program to the kids none of them
signed up to take it. So with out the kids to participate there was no funding
to
pay the willing teacher.
One of the students actually told me that the new shop teacher had told his
class that "they were not to touch the airplane because the metal causes
cancer". I think he was referring to the Fiberglass cowling the kids were making.
Basically the new faculty wasn't into it so they swept it under.
I have no idea how these people get into the school system?
My Wife has formed a new non-profit for girls called Our Beauty Within.
It is an organization that sponsors programs for girls that build positive
self esteem and positive body image in young girls.
We hope to run a similar program for the girls and build a 601.
We hope to use the Rosy Riveter theme.
www.ourbeautywithin.org
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Brady McCormick
Poulsbo, WA
www.magnificentmachine.com
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| Subject: | Re: Now I need help with the PM OV module from B@C |
specialty
13.5 V, 250 W DC @ 5500 RPM, This off the Zenith website @
_http://www.zenithair.com/pdf-doc/912ul-80hp.pdf_
(http://www.zenithair.com/pdf-doc/912ul-80hp.pdf)
Joe Motis
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In a message dated 11/3/2008 10:10:40 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
stol10@comcast.net writes:
80 HP Rotax UL engine
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| Subject: | Now I need help with the PM OV module from B@C |
specialty
I believe those alternators are all add-ons that B&C sells and not relevant
to your Rotax. See figure Z-16 ""Rotax 912/914 System" in the appendix to
Bob Nuckoll's AeroElectric Connection for one way to use the overvoltage
module on a 912.
https://matronics.com/aeroelectric/articles/Rev11/AppZ_R11M.pdf
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Geoff
Heap
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 11:10 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Now I need help with the PM OV module from B@C
specialty
According to the B&C wiring diagram for the "504-1 PM-OV 14 Volt Over
Voltage Module" I need either a 10 amp or a 15amp fuse to connect to the
Power BUS. Depends on whether I have a SD8, a 200G or a SK10 alternator.
This is referring to my Rotax internal generator. Ive got the 80 HP Rotax UL
engine. How do I know Which type alternator this is. I cannot find anything
in the manual. All this for a Fuse rating. Anybody help please? ......Geoff
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212107#212107
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| Subject: | Re: Now I need help with the PM OV module from B@C |
specialty
Thanks Craig. I would still need to know what fuse I need. Below is the link to
the relevant diagram at B&C. At the left side the 14 gage wire is hooked into
the Main power bus. my interest is in the fuse choices listed there.
http://www.bandc.biz/PM_OV504-500_RevE.pdf
I tried this link. It works fine................Geoff
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| Subject: | Re: Now I need help with the PM OV module from |
B@C specialty
The symbol on the B&C schematic is actually for a circuit breaker - compare
it to the symbol for the 20 amp fuse coming off of the battery and the 15
amp fuse in the lead from the alternator before the voltage regulator. The 2
amp device feeding the relay's coil is also a circuit breaker. Otherwise you
wouldn't be able to reset the overvoltage circuit after it triggered.
In the Rotax 912 installation manual (Edition 1/Rev. 0 dated May 01/2007)
the schematic in figure 67 on page 109 shows a 25 amp breaker between the
output of the voltage regulator and the battery. The key function of a fuse
or breaker is to protect the wire attached to it. You don't want a fuse so
large that the wire ends up acting as the fuse instead. And you don't want a
wire so small that it can't safely carry the current required with a
tolerable voltage drop for normal operation. And that is a function of
current requirements *and* the physical length of the wire.
Overall I'm not wild about the general design shown in the B&C schematic - I
think it has been simplified too much just to show how the OV module is
connected. For example it has the charging current from the alternator
passing through the main bus to the battery and doesn't address the starter
circuit. It differs substantially from the typical Rotax layout shown in the
Rotax installation manual and Nuckoll's own design in figure Z-16. Since Bob
designed the OV module and probably drew the schematic on the B&C site I'd
get his opinion. He is active on the AeroElectric list on Matronics.
Sorry, I know this is not the simple answer you were looking for. But I
think the overall design of the electrical system controls how the OV
protection is designed in. If you have not already I would strongly
recommend buying and reading Bob's book cover to cover.
-- Craig
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From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Geoff
Heap
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 2:03 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Now I need help with the PM OV module from
B@C specialty
Thanks Craig. I would still need to know what fuse I need. Below is the link
to the relevant diagram at B&C. At the left side the 14 gage wire is hooked
into the Main power bus. my interest is in the fuse choices listed there.
http://www.bandc.biz/PM_OV504-500_RevE.pdf
I tried this link. It works fine................Geoff
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| Subject: | Re: Great news for the School kids at CKJH |
Well, the 701 airframe is down at the Bremerton airport and has the wings and engine
mounted to it.
The 601 airframe is next to it on the ground awaiting us to move it to the hanger
at Apex.
The 601 is the airplane we hope to run the girls program with.
Rosy Riveters!
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Brady McCormick
Poulsbo, WA
www.magnificentmachine.com
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| Subject: | Re: Great news for the School kids at CKJH |
Once my C-150 is running properly I'll have to swing by and take a look.
Maybe during lunch time so I can get some fish & chips too!
John Marzulli
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
http://www.GenevieveMarzulli.org/
http://www.JohnMarzulli.net/
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Brady <brady@magnificentmachine.com> wrote:
> brady@magnificentmachine.com>
>
> Well, the 701 airframe is down at the Bremerton airport and has the wings
> and engine mounted to it.
>
> The 601 airframe is next to it on the ground awaiting us to move it to the
> hanger at Apex.
>
> The 601 is the airplane we hope to run the girls program with.
> Rosy Riveters!
>
> --------
> Brady McCormick
> Poulsbo, WA
> www.magnificentmachine.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=212157#212157
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Great news for the School kids at CKJH |
Sorry this is my mix up, I must have replied to the wrong email? It is too bad
though, it was a very cool and educational idea. I wish I had built airplane parts
in shop.. instead of a birdhouse, a candy dish ( I wonder what happened to
that) and a gate latch and a bunch of other stuff I don't even remember.
Kevin
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