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1. 04:37 AM - Re: HDPE fuel tanks (kmccune)
2. 04:38 AM - Re: HDPE fuel tanks (kmccune)
3. 07:05 AM - Rivited tanks (John Bolding)
4. 08:43 AM - Re: Rivited tanks (Curt Thompson)
5. 08:46 AM - Re: Riveted tanks (Carlos Sa)
6. 08:51 AM - Re: Re: HDPE fuel tanks (Curt Thompson)
7. 08:52 AM - Re: Rivited tanks (Curt Thompson)
8. 09:17 AM - Re: Re: HDPE fuel tanks (Ken Ryan)
9. 10:49 AM - Re: Riveted tanks (Craig Payne)
10. 07:20 PM - riveted tanks (Carlos Sa)
11. 08:43 PM - Re: Re: HDPE fuel tanks (Curt Thompson)
12. 09:03 PM - I have some parts drawings in TurboCAD (Curt Thompson)
13. 09:22 PM - Re: I have some parts drawings in TurboCAD (Craig Payne)
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| Subject: | Re: HDPE fuel tanks |
Well I think I've been convinced to build a rivet tank. I was not aware of the
blind rivets and I had doubts about the longevity of proseal. So I have decided
to build a riveted tank. It allows me to construct it and I can still add a
couple of gallons to the total.
I also contacted the guys who I was speaking about and got his permission to post
his contact info. Again I have only traded emails buthe seems honest and straight
up. Said he could help with the wind shield as well. Not sure if that means
formed or what? Anyway, replace the (at) with an @ and the email will work...
"Keith Cardin"kcardin55(at)yahoo.com
Now I just have to build more flanging dies for the wing ribs, hope it doesn't
take as long as it did the first time ;^)
Thanks again
Kevin
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Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: HDPE fuel tanks |
Well I think I've been convinced to build a rivet tank. I was not aware of the
blind rivets and I had doubts about the longevity of proseal. So I have decided
to build a riveted tank. It allows me to construct it and I can still add a
couple of gallons to the total.
I also contacted the guys who I was speaking about and got his permission to post
his contact info. Again I have only traded emails but he seems honest and straight
up, like normal your results/impressions may vary. Said he could help
with the wind shield as well. Not sure if that means formed or what? Anyway, replace
the (at) with an @ and the email will work... "Keith Cardin"kcardin55(at)yahoo.com
Now I just have to build more flanging dies for the wing ribs, hope it doesn't
take as long as it did the first time ;^)
Thanks again
Kevin
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Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that
you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=214518#214518
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Kevin,
A VERY good read on riveted tanks is done by Robert S. Hoover
http://bobhooversblog.blogspot.com
Title is AV-Yo! Fuel Tank! dated Wed.Dec 6, 2006 and Finger Strainers
Sun, June 24,2007
If you haven't been there before be prepared to spend a couple of hours.
Bob has been flying behind VW's for approaching 50 yrs and has forgotten
more about Vw engines than just about anybody doing them today. He
UNDERSTANDS them and teaches you how to build a PROPER engine and the WHYS
that go along with the HOW.
He's also building a 701 but progress has slowed due to serious health
issues.
Hopefully he still monitors this list .
There is a downside to messing with ProSeal and it's cousins, the stuff is
tenacious and will obliterate your fingerprints for a couple months,
wear gloves, I HATE working with it but it WORKS and makes riveted tanks
practical.
LO&SLO John
----- Original Message -----
From: "kmccune" <kmccune@somtel.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 6:38 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: HDPE fuel tanks
>
> Well I think I've been convinced to build a rivet tank. I was not aware of
> the blind rivets and I had doubts about the longevity of proseal. So I
> have decided to build a riveted tank. It allows me to construct it and I
> can still add a couple of gallons to the total.
> >
> Thanks again
>
> Kevin
>
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I'd heard that about ProSeal too. I was able to get any off my hands and
arms by scrubbing with sctockbright pads and Fast Orange (pumice hand
cleaner). I used A LOT of rubber gloves. It smells pretty nasty so use
lots of ventilation. Once it sets up, the smell goes away. I made my tank
in stages over several days as the stuff sets up pretty quickly and needs
about a day before you can move it.
Oh, also handy to have a small scale with a resolution of less than 0.1
ounce so you can measure out the mixture. I made 1 or 2 ounces at a time.
I did my tanks with a pint kit of ProSeal. I had just a little left over.
Curt
-----Original Message-----
<jnbolding1@teleshare.net>
Kevin,
<snip>
There is a downside to messing with ProSeal and it's cousins, the stuff is
tenacious and will obliterate your fingerprints for a couple months,
wear gloves, I HATE working with it but it WORKS and makes riveted tanks
practical.
LO&SLO John
<snip>
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| Subject: | Re: Riveted tanks |
Hello, all
If anybody is interested, I have a powerpoint presentation where I
documented the construction of my fuel tanks (mostly photos).
Send me a note off-list and I'll forward the file.
I am building a CH601-HD, so the shape of the tank is different, but the
process can be copied.
(If you do not have powerpoint, there is a free version of MS-Office like
products available that can be downloaded from http://www.openoffice.org/ -
versions for Mac and Windows available.)
Below some information I put together for someone that was interested and
may be of help to some of you:
_________
I bought fuel senders and gauges from Don's sport vehicles (www.egauges.com
):
226-002 fuel sender 10-180 ohms $37.75 each
301-104 gauge 2 1/6" for above, Vision Black $25.55 (they may have left and
right versions. If
they do, I suggest you get one of each. I got 2 of the same - no big deal,
but it would
have been better.)
>From AS&S:
Cherry Q BSPQ 42 and 43 - you will have to estimate how many of each you
need.
AN818-4D AN fittings nut (x2) 0.39 each
AN819-4D AN fittings sleeve (x2) 0.33 each
AN807-4D AN fittings adapter (x2) 8.60 each
AN924-4D AN fittings nut (x2) 0.38 each
03-40400 3003-0 tube 1/4" OD x .032" W (5') 0.50/foot
(All of the above for the vent tubes)
AN867-2 alum. welding flanges (x2) 6.70 each
AN867-3 alum. welding flanges (x2) 6.85 each (fuel output to engine)
05-01870 Curtis drain valves CCA-1600 (x2) 9.60 each
05-17700 finger strainers (x2) 3.40 each
05-01061 UD-3-F fuel cap w/ flat adaptor (x2) 39.95 each
09-38560 PTS proseal 890-class B-type II (x1) 49.20
This might not be exactly what's in the plans, but it works.
Some resources that (if still around) can be useful:
Two web sites describing the construction of RV tanks:
http://vondane.com/rv8a/tanks/tanks1.htm
http://www.rvproject.com/20020605.html
Pro-Seal phase:
http://www.rvproject.com/20020611.html
Also, Graham Kirby helped me a whole lot:
http://www.601hd.com/fueltanks.htm
_________________
Carlos
CH601-HD, plans
Montreal, Canada
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| Subject: | Re: HDPE fuel tanks |
R.D.
Here are some more pictures. You should post your info about rivets and
flanges to the 701801 list. I think other would find that useful.
Curt
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of R.D.(Ron)
Leclerc
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 9:01 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: HDPE fuel tanks
Hey Curt
Nice tank... good job, I'm scratch building mine also. My tanks will look
just like yours... except for the stub ends. Its nice to see what mine
will look like when I'm done. I'm using 5052 H32 aluminum 0.032 for
tanks... and will also have a baffle. Both tanks will use one 4 x 6 sheet
which is only about $44 at ACS. Since I am making the tanks myself I
decided to make them with the same profile as the wing.
Van's Aircraft... is a good place to get the various flanges(for rivets)
and closed end rivets needed at really good prices. I acquired the
drain(cav-110) flange - VA-112($7.80) with the rivet holes already drilled,
and the closed end rivets AD-41H(1/16" grip) and AD-42H(1/8" grip)
$0.06/per. ACS have the same rivets for $0.18/per... which is nuts. Van's
flanges are already drilled for rivets so it makes it easier to work with,
and are the only place where I could find them. That also goes for the
finger screen flange. I used AN(-4) bulkhead fittings for the vent lines
and return lines.
I was looking at the same ACS flush mounted caps... but not sure how they
can be installed as of yet, have not had time to think about it.
The fuel sender I have is the standard VDO... they wanted $20 for the
install ring and screws... so I made mine out of 1/8 aluminum, very easy to
do.
Again nice tank! If you more photos it would be nice to see the rest of
the tank!
R.D.(Ron) Leclerc
CH701 Plans(Scrap) Builder #7-6699
infow@mts.net
11/15/2008 10:45:59 PM
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BTW, if anyone wants more pictures of the tanks, then let me know and I will
email them to you.
Curt
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: HDPE fuel tanks |
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For those of you contemplating building this type of tank, and who also want more
fuel
capacity, it may be possible to simply make the tank longer, resulting in those
two ribs being
spaced further apart.
I base this on my conversations with Zenith. On my 750 kit, they are going to increase
total
fuel capacity for two tanks from standard 24 gal to about 35 gal. They will do
this by moving
the ribs and putting in larger tanks. As far as I know, no other modifications
will be required,
but if you decide to do this you should certainly confirm that with Zenith.
Ken Ryan
750 complete kit due to ship in January
On 16 Nov 2008 at 8:50, Curt Thompson wrote:
> R.D.
>
> Here are some more pictures. You should post your info about rivets and
> flanges to the 701801 list. I think other would find that useful.
>
> Curt
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of R.D.(Ron)
> Leclerc
> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 9:01 PM
> To: Curt Thompson
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: HDPE fuel tanks
>
>
> Hey Curt
>
> Nice tank... good job, I'm scratch building mine also. My tanks will look
> just like yours... except for the stub ends. Its nice to see what mine
> will look like when I'm done. I'm using 5052 H32 aluminum 0.032 for
> tanks... and will also have a baffle. Both tanks will use one 4 x 6 sheet
> which is only about $44 at ACS. Since I am making the tanks myself I
> decided to make them with the same profile as the wing.
>
> Van's Aircraft... is a good place to get the various flanges(for rivets)
> and closed end rivets needed at really good prices. I acquired the
> drain(cav-110) flange - VA-112($7.80) with the rivet holes already drilled,
> and the closed end rivets AD-41H(1/16" grip) and AD-42H(1/8" grip)
> $0.06/per. ACS have the same rivets for $0.18/per... which is nuts. Van's
> flanges are already drilled for rivets so it makes it easier to work with,
> and are the only place where I could find them. That also goes for the
> finger screen flange. I used AN(-4) bulkhead fittings for the vent lines
> and return lines.
>
>
>
> I was looking at the same ACS flush mounted caps... but not sure how they
> can be installed as of yet, have not had time to think about it.
> The fuel sender I have is the standard VDO... they wanted $20 for the
> install ring and screws... so I made mine out of 1/8 aluminum, very easy to
> do.
>
> Again nice tank! If you more photos it would be nice to see the rest of
> the tank!
>
> R.D.(Ron) Leclerc
> CH701 Plans(Scrap) Builder #7-6699
> infow@mts.net
> 11/15/2008 10:45:59 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> If you do not have powerpoint, there is a free version of MS-Office like
products available that can be downloaded from http://www.openoffice.org/ -
versions for Mac and Windows available.
If you don't want to install a whole software suite then Microsoft has free
viewers for PowerPoint, Word and Excel:
PowerPoint presentations: http://tinyurl.com/u5bsa
Microsoft Word documents: http://tinyurl.com/2c3xsk
Excel spreadsheets: http://tinyurl.com/2qyhx5
You may have to install the "Compatibility Pack for the Word, Excel, and
PowerPoint 2007 File Formats" if you need to view the new file formats used
in Office 2007 (docx, xlsx, etc). It lives here:
http://tinyurl.com/ykums3
-- Craig
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I posted the powerpoint file at yousendit.com - it will be available for 7
days at the following url:
http://www.yousendit.com/download/Y2o4T0NkNEhqV0NGa1E9PQ
Carlos
do not archive - best before Nov 23, 2008
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| Subject: | Re: HDPE fuel tanks |
Sorry. I didn't mean to spam the list with a bunch of pictures.
Curt
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Curt
Thompson
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 8:50 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Re: HDPE fuel tanks
R.D.
Here are some more pictures. You should post your info about rivets and
flanges to the 701801 list. I think other would find that useful.
Curt
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| Subject: | I have some parts drawings in TurboCAD |
I have some TurboCAD drawings of various form blocks and other parts I used
for my scratch built CH701. If anyone is interested, send me an email and I
will send them.
Curt
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| Subject: | I have some parts drawings in TurboCAD |
You could always post them to the list file share. Read about it here:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
-- Craig
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Curt
Thompson
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 9:59 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: I have some parts drawings in TurboCAD
I have some TurboCAD drawings of various form blocks and other parts I used
for my scratch built CH701. If anyone is interested, send me an email and I
will send them.
Curt
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