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0. 12:32 AM - Behind By 21% - Advertising May Be Needed...? (Matt Dralle)
1. 03:51 AM - Folding wing option pics (kmccune)
2. 05:00 AM - Re: 701 Folding Wing Option (Zed Smith)
3. 05:58 AM - Re: Re: 701 Folding Wing Option (ZodieRocket)
4. 11:10 AM - Folding wing option pics (Jon Croke)
5. 11:51 AM - More Folding Wings!! (Zed Smith)
6. 12:08 PM - Re: More Folding Wings!! (BokKat)
7. 03:53 PM - Re: Folding wing option pics (kmccune)
8. 03:55 PM - gross weights (Tracy)
9. 04:21 PM - Re: Folding wing option pics (Jon Croke)
10. 09:24 PM - Plexiglass Scratch Repair... (Matt Dralle)
11. 10:31 PM - Re: gross weights (Les Goldner)
12. 10:41 PM - Re: Plexiglass Scratch Repair... (Cory Emberson)
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| Subject: | Behind By 21% - Advertising May Be Needed...? |
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| Subject: | Folding wing option pics |
Does anyone have good pictures showing what this is? Some have commented that
it is ugly, but the best I can tell from the poor pictures on the Zenith site
is that it has a removable bar in the front and a cradle in the back that is also
removable. From the comments I've read I don't want it for common storage,
but for ground transport.
I helped my buddy trailer his Challenger to the airport a few months ago. I'll
tell ya that was a long slow trip worrying about the wings tied down, ad padded
with every cushion and pillow from the house. Now ft his wings had folded it
would not have been a big deal at all.
I started the wing rib router cutting template yesterday and so I'm about to the
point of deciding and the folding wing.
Kevin
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away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
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Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Folding Wing Option |
do not archive
List,
I bought the 'folding wing option' with my kit.
Picked up the complete kit at ZAC. When I got home and looked at what is involved
in 'folding' the wings I did not use it.
Here's why: You are actually REMOVING the wings, not 'folding' them!
This means wings, struts, fuel lines, wiring for fuel senders, wiring for marker
lights,
pitot tube, controls, missile launchers, and anything else hanging out there must
be un-attached.
At least two people are required.
Possibly a third person to support the still-attached wing while you work on removing
or
mounting the other.
Also, there is the problem of the sheet metal covering the gap between the wings
and fuselage.
After you build and mount the wings the first time you may decide it isn't worth
the effort.
It will take a considerable amount of time to re-assemble the airplane once you
get to an airport.
Everything will require proper torque, etc.
The flaperons will be hanging loose while you are hauling....now what? If the
trailing edge is
'down' you'll have to support the wing high enough so they don't touch the trailer
floor.
If you remove the flaperons, you'll just have more to re-assemble later.
And finally, take a good look at the 'sliding pipe' arrangement....you want to
fly with wings
attached this way??
If you drop a wing and do even slight damage, do you fly it?
My guess is that there are very few of this option in actual use.
The 701 is a good airplane, but the wings need to stay on.
Okay....that's my comment. Since the List was split we've not had any rip-roaring
flames, so
here's the opportunity....
Regards to all,
Zed/701/R912/90%/etc
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Folding Wing Option |
Zed, no argument here. But an explanation of expectations. The folding
wing option was designed for the older version of the 701, when the
plane had all it's fuel in the cabin and none in the wing. Also, note
that the folding wing option was intended for transportation and
extended storage use. It's intention is not suited for daily flying use.
I have used the folding wing option several times, I do not recommend it
as an option unless the person wants it for seasonal storage. However on
www.ch701.com you will find a wing stand in the homemade tools section.
I prefer to use this method for storage and transport of the 701 wings.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac CH650 C-GOXL, CH701 Rotax 912,
STOL CH750 Just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Zed
Smith
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:00 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Folding Wing Option
<zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
do not archive
List,
I bought the 'folding wing option' with my kit.
Picked up the complete kit at ZAC. When I got home and looked at what
is involved
in 'folding' the wings I did not use it.
Here's why: You are actually REMOVING the wings, not 'folding' them!
This means wings, struts, fuel lines, wiring for fuel senders, wiring
for marker lights,
pitot tube, controls, missile launchers, and anything else hanging out
there must be un-attached.
At least two people are required.
Possibly a third person to support the still-attached wing while you
work on removing or
mounting the other.
Also, there is the problem of the sheet metal covering the gap between
the wings and fuselage.
After you build and mount the wings the first time you may decide it
isn't worth the effort.
It will take a considerable amount of time to re-assemble the airplane
once you get to an airport.
Everything will require proper torque, etc.
The flaperons will be hanging loose while you are hauling....now what?
If the trailing edge is
'down' you'll have to support the wing high enough so they don't touch
the trailer floor.
If you remove the flaperons, you'll just have more to re-assemble later.
And finally, take a good look at the 'sliding pipe' arrangement....you
want to fly with wings
attached this way??
If you drop a wing and do even slight damage, do you fly it?
My guess is that there are very few of this option in actual use.
The 701 is a good airplane, but the wings need to stay on.
Okay....that's my comment. Since the List was split we've not had any
rip-roaring flames, so
here's the opportunity....
Regards to all,
Zed/701/R912/90%/etc
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| Subject: | Folding wing option pics |
<kmccune@somtel.net>
>
> Does anyone have good pictures showing what this is? Some have
commented that it is ugly, but the best I can tell from the poor
pictures on the Zenith site is that it has a removable bar in the front
and a cradle in the back that is also removable. From the comments I've
read I don't want it for common storage, but for ground transport.
Here is a picture of someone that is actively using the folding 701
option to his advantage:
Complete story on this and many more pics in the next issue if the
Zenair Newsletter, mailed in a week or so.
Dont miss this issue! Subscribe at www.zenair.org
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| Subject: | More Folding Wings!! |
do not archive
Jon, that sure is a nice hangar (portable) for the yellow 701 on floats!
Looks like there may be a sufficient number of people available to do the fold/un-fold
operation.
Sure hope I didn't start the flames.
Zed
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| Subject: | Re: More Folding Wings!! |
This is not a for sale forum, but I bought a kit from a guy who hadn't
started it and when I got finished I had a bag or nuts and bolts left over
and a strange looking aircraft telescopic tubing that I thought must have
been accidently included in the kit.
I contacted Zenith with pictures and they said that was the folding wing
kit. When I opened the bag of bolts and small fittings I noticed then that
it was labelled.
I had the plane already flying so didn't bother with the retrofit as the
plane will always be in my hangar. I never use the folding wing on the
kitfox either, but for a folding wing system, I thnk the kitfox is better
than the Zenith!
If anybody wants the kit for shipping and a very small fee to cover packing
it up and driving to the UPS place, contact bobkat@btinet.net It'll only
collect dust here. I also put Grove gear on N701ND a month ago to have the
brake lines out of sight (also have it on my Kitfox ) so have a spring
aluminum gear here, too.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Zed Smith" <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 1:51 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: More Folding Wings!!
> <zsmith3rd@earthlink.net>
>
> do not archive
>
> Jon, that sure is a nice hangar (portable) for the yellow 701 on floats!
> Looks like there may be a sufficient number of people available to do the
> fold/un-fold operation.
>
> Sure hope I didn't start the flames.
>
> Zed
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Folding wing option pics |
Now thats just cool!
kevin
do not archive
--------
Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that
you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=215434#215434
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what gross is everyone using and what restictions have you put in for v speeds?
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| Subject: | Re: Folding wing option pics |
Jon, that sure is a nice hangar (portable) for the yellow 701 on floats!
Looks like there may be a sufficient number of people available to do
the fold/un-fold operation.
Sure hope I didn't start the flames.
There was a boatload of helpers!
Note below the dockworkers... but I guess they didnt do the folding. I
will try to followup with a story about the effort required to
fold/unfold from this guy that has personal experience... I am quite
curious also. This 701 pilot is from New Caledonia... now I had to get
out my globe to locate that country! The newsletter went to the printer
today so by Turkey-day weekend they should be heading out the door...
and this issue will include a DVD of contributed video segments from
601/701/801 builders and pilots ! Even I am excited!
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| Subject: | Plexiglass Scratch Repair... |
Dear Listers,
During the fitting of the Plexiglass canopy on my RV-8, I managed to put some pretty
disheartening scratches in the windscreen section. You can see from the
pictures that they looked pretty bad. A call to Van's revealed that a replacement
canopy would be $640 + $250 shipping to California! Ack.
So what to do... A bit of surfing and I found this "Scratch Off" windshield repair
kit for $35 on the Aircraft Spruce web site:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/scratchoff.php
Frankly, it just seemed too good to be true. Nothing for $35 could be that "magic"
I thought, but what did I have to lose at this point....
Well, the kit arrived yesterday and I decided to give it a try tonight. In a word:
WOW! In about 2 hours the windscreen looked as good as new - no kidding
- AS GOOD AS NEW! The pictures really don't do the repair justice. It looks
better in person.
There are basically two sponges in the kit with four decreasingly porous pastes.
You just put some of the first paste on the sponge and buff it in with a drill
at 1200 RPM or less. Then you wash everything down good including the sponge
and windshield with warm water. Then you use the next finer paste and repeat
the process. Etc, etc, until you've used the 4th paste that is kind of like
car wax.
Frankly, the scratches were gone after the first application of paste - I started
at #2 based on the instructions and the "observed severity" of the scratch
depth.
So, the bottom line is, if you've got scuffs or mild scratches in your Plexiglass
buy this repair kit. It works!
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880
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Tracy,
Zenith says Gross is 1100# on my plans, but I have flown my 701 at a 1300#
gross by degrading "G"s to +5Gs and -2.5Gs.
On page 7-G-3 of my plans, Zenith says Vf (max with flaps) is 60-mph, Va
(maneuvering) is 85-mph and Vne (never exceed) is 110-mph. However, my flaps
can be extended 5, 10, 15, or 20 degrees and I fly with 5-degrees at 70-mph
to keep the nose down so I can see over the cowling when slow-flying. Once I
forgot to raise the flaps and went 80-mph with 15-degrees extended for about
1/2 hour without any apparent damage.
Les
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Tracy
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 3:55 PM
> To: zenith701801-list: matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: gross weights
>
>
> what gross is everyone using and what restictions have you
> put in for v speeds?
>
>
>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Plexiglass Scratch Repair... |
Hi Matt,
Good choice! Scratch-off was the easiest, most effective Plex repair
method I found when I tested them for Aviation Consumer and Kitplanes.
Micromesh seems good, but it's labor-intensive, and you have to keep the
plex wet to avoid burning the surface.
Glad it worked!
best,
Cory
Matt Dralle wrote:
> Dear Listers,
>
> During the fitting of the Plexiglass canopy on my RV-8, I managed to put some
pretty disheartening scratches in the windscreen section. You can see from the
pictures that they looked pretty bad. A call to Van's revealed that a replacement
canopy would be $640 + $250 shipping to California! Ack.
>
> So what to do... A bit of surfing and I found this "Scratch Off" windshield
repair kit for $35 on the Aircraft Spruce web site:
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/scratchoff.php
>
> Frankly, it just seemed too good to be true. Nothing for $35 could be that "magic"
I thought, but what did I have to lose at this point....
>
> Well, the kit arrived yesterday and I decided to give it a try tonight. In a
word: WOW! In about 2 hours the windscreen looked as good as new - no kidding
- AS GOOD AS NEW! The pictures really don't do the repair justice. It looks
better in person.
>
> There are basically two sponges in the kit with four decreasingly porous pastes.
You just put some of the first paste on the sponge and buff it in with a
drill at 1200 RPM or less. Then you wash everything down good including the sponge
and windshield with warm water. Then you use the next finer paste and repeat
the process. Etc, etc, until you've used the 4th paste that is kind of
like car wax.
>
> Frankly, the scratches were gone after the first application of paste - I started
at #2 based on the instructions and the "observed severity" of the scratch
depth.
>
> So, the bottom line is, if you've got scuffs or mild scratches in your Plexiglass
buy this repair kit. It works!
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880
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