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1. 04:51 AM - Re: gross weights (kmccune)
2. 05:43 AM - Re: Re: gross weights (n801bh@netzero.com)
3. 09:07 AM - Re: gross weights (kmccune)
4. 11:04 AM - Re: Re: gross weights (Les Goldner)
5. 02:35 PM - Re: gross weights (kmccune)
6. 02:56 PM - Re: gross weights (Tommy Walker)
7. 04:27 PM - Re: gross weights (kmccune)
8. 04:41 PM - Re: gross weight (Tracy)
9. 05:36 PM - Re: gross weights (kmccune)
10. 06:41 PM - Re: Re: gross weights (Les Goldner)
11. 08:15 PM - Re: Folding wing option pics (ruruny@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: gross weights |
Les,
This has been tickling at the back of my mind for awhile.
When you say you degrade to +5 -2.5 Gs to fly at 1300 lbs, what does this mean?
Are you making a log book entry to document this or....?
Would this hold up to a FAA representative with scales?
If it is a log book entry, can you list the airplane at the different gross weights
with the min/max Gs for each form the start?
No opinion ether way, its just been in the back of my mind and I thought I'd ask.
Thanks
Kevin
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away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover.
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| Subject: | Re: gross weights |
It is an experimental,,, WE can haul as much weight as we see fit. Just
call it a "test flight" If he is under the LSA rules then the max weigh
t limit must be observed.
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "kmccune" <kmccune@somtel.net> wrote:
Les,
This has been tickling at the back of my mind for awhile.
When you say you degrade to +5 -2.5 Gs to fly at 1300 lbs, what does thi
s mean? Are you making a log book entry to document this or....?
Would this hold up to a FAA representative with scales?
If it is a log book entry, can you list the airplane at the different gr
oss weights with the min/max Gs for each form the start?
No opinion ether way, its just been in the back of my mind and I thought
I'd ask.
Thanks
Kevin
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Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the t
hings that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the b
owlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your s
ails. Explore. Dream. Discover.
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| Subject: | Re: gross weights |
Thanks I didn't realize that... and sorry I didn't mean to highjack the thread.
do not archive
Kevin
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Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that
you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=215562#215562
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| Subject: | Re: gross weights |
Kevin,
I don't have the regs in front of me, but I know you have to have your
weight and Balance info in the aircraft and I include the max G info with
this. In a certified aircraft, the aircraft flight manual provided by the
manufacturer includes all this information so I guess you need to keep it
your flight manual.
The calculations are simple. Zenith says the plane can operate at 1100# at
maximum 6+ and 3- "G"s. If you rate the plane at 1300# you can calculate the
reduced maximum G forces with the following formula: +6 or -3 x (1100/1300).
Les
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of kmccune
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 4:50 AM
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: gross weights
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> <kmccune@somtel.net>
>
> Les,
>
> This has been tickling at the back of my mind for awhile.
> When you say you degrade to +5 -2.5 Gs to fly at 1300 lbs,
> what does this mean? Are you making a log book entry to
> document this or....?
> Would this hold up to a FAA representative with scales?
> If it is a log book entry, can you list the airplane at the
> different gross weights with the min/max Gs for each form the start?
>
> No opinion ether way, its just been in the back of my mind
> and I thought I'd ask.
>
> Thanks
> Kevin
>
> --------
> Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more
> disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the
> ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from
> the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails.
> Explore. Dream. Discover.
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=215514#215514
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>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
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| Subject: | Re: gross weights |
Can you then have more then one gross listed with max Gs listed for each?
Kevin
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Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that
you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=215595#215595
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| Subject: | Re: gross weights |
Kevin,
Now I don't want to misquote Chris Heintz but, somewhere in my documentation, he
discusses this and says the 1100 lb gross is at +6 -3 G range. Then, if memory
serves me correctly, he says that if you load the airplane to 1150 lbs, the
effective G rating is +4 -2 G.
And, I think (there I go again) that this is the ultimate rating, not the design
load.
I am going to go through those notebooks and double check this. I certainly don't
want to stir up any controversy, and as Ben stated it is experimental, which
covers a multitude of sins.
Tommy Walker in Alabama
kmccune wrote:
> Les,
>
> This has been tickling at the back of my mind for awhile.
> When you say you degrade to +5 -2.5 Gs to fly at 1300 lbs, what does this mean?
Are you making a log book entry to document this or....?
> Would this hold up to a FAA representative with scales?
> If it is a log book entry, can you list the airplane at the different gross weights
with the min/max Gs for each form the start?
>
> No opinion ether way, its just been in the back of my mind and I thought I'd
ask.
>
> Do not archive
>
> Thanks
> Kevin
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Tommy Walker
N8701 - Anniston, AL
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| Subject: | Re: gross weights |
Hi Tommy,
Yes, I know what the plans say and that 4 and 2 are the design limits.
I'm just trying to decipher the intent of that formula and the regulations surrounding
using it.
Kevin
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Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that
you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=215605#215605
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| Subject: | re: gross weight |
I know there is a formula in the plans for g load over gross.
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| Subject: | Re: gross weights |
I just reread what I wrote, it sounded a littler sharp, this was not my intent.
But the message does communicate what I was after... I can be a bit intense
when I'm on the trail of something....good thing I'm married to an angle named
Amy, who puts up with me all the time!
Kevin
do not archive
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Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that
you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=215615#215615
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| Subject: | Re: gross weights |
On Page 7-G-3 of the plans for the 701, the "G" formula I quoted earlier
(1100/gross weight) is used and there is nothing written about +4/-2 Gs.
However, the plans do mention a 1.5 safety factor, which would put the
numbers in line with the +4/-2 figures. I wonder however, if you build the
plane carefully, do you need to use this safety factor knowing that Heintz'
test showed the plane can tolerate +6/-4 at 1100#.
Les
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of Tommy Walker
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 2:56 PM
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: gross weights
>
> --> <twalker@cableone.net>
>
> Kevin,
>
> Now I don't want to misquote Chris Heintz but, somewhere in
> my documentation, he discusses this and says the 1100 lb
> gross is at +6 -3 G range. Then, if memory serves me
> correctly, he says that if you load the airplane to 1150 lbs,
> the effective G rating is +4 -2 G.
>
> And, I think (there I go again) that this is the ultimate
> rating, not the design load.
>
> I am going to go through those notebooks and double check
> this. I certainly don't want to stir up any controversy, and
> as Ben stated it is experimental, which covers a multitude of sins.
>
> Tommy Walker in Alabama
>
>
>
> kmccune wrote:
> > Les,
> >
> > This has been tickling at the back of my mind for awhile.
> > When you say you degrade to +5 -2.5 Gs to fly at 1300 lbs,
> what does this mean? Are you making a log book entry to
> document this or....?
> > Would this hold up to a FAA representative with scales?
> > If it is a log book entry, can you list the airplane at the
> different gross weights with the min/max Gs for each form the start?
> >
> > No opinion ether way, its just been in the back of my mind
> and I thought I'd ask.
> >
> > Do not archive
> >
> > Thanks
> > Kevin
>
>
> --------
> Tommy Walker
> N8701 - Anniston, AL
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=215598#215598
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Folding wing option pics |
Kevin,
Here are some pics of the folding wing option.
Included:
4130 large tube with smaller tubes on either end that telescope out.
The telescoping ends attach into shown brackets that rivet into the lower spar
cap.
This assembly hangs below the cabin frame from 2 tabs that didn't quite line up.
Quick disconnects for fuel lines. You will have to defuel tanks.
A pattern on paper to trace onto plywood for a cradle that supports ends of wings.
Click on link and then select folding wings section:
http://www.701builder.com/00Wingshome.htm
Steps
Defuel wing tanks.
Support wings on end with stands.
Remove front and back wing attach bolts on both wings
Remove lower front and back strut bolts on both sides.
Disconnect Flaperons. They will flop around and need to be supported some way.
Disconnect fuel lines, Electrical connections and pitot.
Pull wing outward and up to clear strut attach.
Twist and fold back and lay on wooden cradle resting on tail.
I did not keep the option, was not a real need for me to fold them. It might be
nice to have for storage.
Brian
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