---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith701801-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 12/06/08: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:13 AM - Dual Sticks & Rudder Cables (George Race) 2. 09:16 AM - Re: Re: Dual sticks (Dan Wilde) 3. 11:48 AM - rudder materials (gotosteven) 4. 12:18 PM - Re: rudder materials (John Bolding) 5. 12:50 PM - Re: rudder materials (Ryan Vechinski) 6. 01:56 PM - Re: rudder materials (kmccune) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:13:44 AM PST US From: "George Race" Subject: Zenith701801-List: Dual Sticks & Rudder Cables When I built the 701 I also installed dual sticks. Hands off level flight was very easy, and I eliminated the crossed cables going to the Elevator. Ended up with a very smooth control system. Cable pulleys were also installed as part of the design. Using much of the design of the 601 dual stick diagram, they were built to fit the 701 from basic materials. Once you get the hang of getting in by putting your right foot in on the right side of the stick first, entering the airplane is very easy. As you can see from my pictures, that allowed for a single central mounted throttle control, and the airplane can be flown easily from either seat. On the Rudder Cables I installed a pair of "guide" pulleys just behind the point where the cables come thru the front seat bulkhead. This resulted in the cables not changing direction slightly thru the front mounted fairleads as well as reducing the friction point at the front fairlead. At the rear where the cables exit the Fuselage, I used a nylon fairlead on the inside of the fuselage as well as the outside of the fuselage under the cable fairing plate. I had a lot of clearance between the cable and the "L" angles of the Fuselage along the Rudder cable run. You can see the details of all the above in my pictures located at www.mykitiarplane.com/MyCH701. You can also purchase the 2000 picture DVD that I have there as well if you wish to see all the details very close up on your computer. George - Builder and Test Pilot of N73EX ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:16:36 AM PST US From: Dan Wilde Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: Dual sticks Coloradodan wrote: > > No doubt the stock stick is easy to use. But it really limits right seat flying. > I like the controls in the middle. The CH601 has dual sticks and I'm considering a similar setup to convert the 801. I'm flying and having fun but there's always a new upgrade around the corner. Next up Cargo Pod! > > > I took my first flight in Cloverdale,CA in a 701 with the "Y" stick. It was as easy to fly from the right seat as it is now in my own 701 from the left seat. With dual throttles (as per plans) it should not be a problem except for the lack of brakes on the right side. > Dan Wilde N948DW 42 hours > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:48:18 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: rudder materials From: "gotosteven" well i cant afford to go out and buy all materials needed but would like to get started on my ch701 can someone give me a approx on materials need to build just rudder from scratch Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217945#217945 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:18:28 PM PST US From: "John Bolding" Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: rudder materials The EASY way to get this is to lay out the pieces on cardboard and cut them out, move/ nest them to get min. dimension and measure. LO&SLO John ----- Original Message ----- From: "gotosteven" Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 1:47 PM Subject: Zenith701801-List: rudder materials > > > well i cant afford to go out and buy all materials needed but would like > to get started on my ch701 > can someone give me a approx on materials need to build just rudder from > scratch > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217945#217945 > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:50:32 PM PST US From: Ryan Vechinski Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: rudder materials I hear you when you say you can't afford all of the material. What I would suggest is to just buy a couple of sheets of metal=2C either 4 ' x 8' or 4' x 12'. They are cheap enough=2C and you will use the metal! I get my metal through aircraft spruce. I have never had a problem they di dn't solve=2C and I get my metal at a decent price and also get fast shippi ng. The thinner pieces they will roll=2C if you order on the phone! If yo u order on the internet=2C I believe they will send a truck for a couple hu ndred $$! You should need: (1) 4' x 12' .016 (again=2C you won't use all of it on the rudder=2C but it is cheap enough) (1) 4' x 12' .025 (verify that this is correct for the ribs - I'm at the of fice at the moment) I don't think there are any .040 pieces on the rudder=2C but there is a thi cker piece for the horn (.125? - please verify) You can get a 2' x 2' piec e. I wouldn't get too picky on getting just enough metal for the rudder. Besi des=2C if you are like most scratch builders=2C you'll be redoing some part s anyway. Oh=2C and don't forget the A4 & A5 rivets. I get them through Zenith=2C so I don't have any other suggestions. Good luck!> From: jnbolding1@teleshare.net> To: zenith701801-list@matronics .com> Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: rudder materials> Date: Sat=2C 6 Dec ng" > > The EASY way to get this is to lay out th e pieces on cardboard and cut them > out=2C move/ nest them to get min. dim ension and measure.> > LO&SLO John> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > Fr om: "gotosteven" > To: > Sent: Saturday=2C December 06=2C 2008 1:47 PM> Subject: Zenith701801 tosteven" > > > >> > well i cant afford to go out a nd buy all materials needed but would like > > to get started on my ch701> > can someone give me a approx on materials need to build just rudder from > > scratch> >> >> >> >> > Read this topic online here:> >> > http://forums .matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217945#217945> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> =======================> > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:56:05 PM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: rudder materials From: "kmccune" John is correct, if you are tight on material for any reason you can lay it out first. 1ea 4x8 foot sheet of .016 and 1ea 1X4foot piece of of .032 and 1 ea 4x4foot sheet of .025 and ea 1x1foot of .090 should do it. you will have some left over too, as long as your careful and don't waste or ruin any. As long as you have other aluminum available use it to practice rib forming. Be sure to use the correct rivets and drill size. The offer of the scratch building DVD is still out there. Let me know. For a sheet metal brake its hard to beat the Daves Cheap Metal Bending Brake, more so if you have access to scrap angle iron! I had to buy mine and $70 US got me a 10 ft break that works well. Kevin -------- Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. 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