---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith701801-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 12/10/08: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:19 AM - Re: Dual sticks (Geoff Heap) 2. 05:51 AM - Re: Dual Sticks & Rudder Cables (Geoff Heap) 3. 06:52 AM - Re: Landing light pointing info needed for CH701Landing light pointing info needed for CH701Landing light pointing info needed for CH701 (Tommy Walker) 4. 07:43 AM - Re: Dual sticks (kmccune) 5. 07:48 AM - Re: Dual Sticks & Rudder Cables (George Race) 6. 08:24 AM - Re: Landing light pointing info needed for CH701 (Curt Thompson) 7. 08:47 AM - Re: Landing light pointing info needed for CH701Landing light pointing info needed for CH701Landing light pointing info needed for CH701 (Curt Thompson) 8. 09:10 AM - CH801 Stability (n85ae) 9. 09:23 AM - Re: Landing light pointing info needed for CH701Landing light po (n85ae) 10. 10:45 AM - From 2003 and Mark T (ZodieRocket) 11. 11:09 AM - Re: From 2003 and Mark T (kmccune) 12. 11:27 AM - 6061-T6 (Zed Smith) 13. 12:34 PM - Re: Re: From 2003 and Mark T (ZodieRocket) 14. 02:33 PM - Re: From 2003 and Mark T (kmccune) 15. 02:36 PM - Re: Re: From 2003 and Mark T (Dan) 16. 06:34 PM - Re: Re: Dual sticks (Larry) 17. 06:40 PM - Re: Landing light pointing info needed for CH701 (Larry) 18. 07:51 PM - Re: Landing light pointing info needed for CH701 (JohnDRead@aol.com) 19. 08:00 PM - Re: Re: Dual sticks (John Bolding) 20. 08:32 PM - Re: Re: Dual sticks (Ken Ryan) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:36 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Dual sticks From: "Geoff Heap" I've put Dual sticks in my 701 (based on the 601 dual option). I like it a lot. My first few flights ever were in a RAF De Havilland Chipmunk when I was a kid. It was magical. After that a center yoke is not an option for me. I have one central throttle. Friction type from Assco.........Geoff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=218636#218636 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:51:50 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Dual Sticks & Rudder Cables From: "Geoff Heap" Hi George. What exactly do you mean by the following "I eliminated the crossed cables going to the Elevator" ? Did you make some mod back there? I have Dual sticks too in my 701. I found that I needed to make virtually no change to the original design aft of the seat. I love your interior pics. I didn't get that far yet. George. how does the center consul work for you. I'd love to put one in, I could use the extra space. Is it cramped for you? This is what I,m most interested in PS. there is a misspelling in your site address. Airplane is mis-spelled. It takes you to a junk site. just correct the spelling in the address bar and hit enter again Thanks....Geoff.........I LOVE THIS LIST. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=218639#218639 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:05 AM PST US From: "Tommy Walker" Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Landing light pointing info needed for CH701Landing light pointing info needed for CH701Landing light pointing info needed for CH701 Take a look at this: http://www.ch701.com/builders/Steve%20Johnston/Steve_Mods.htm Tommy Walker in Alabama ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:43:29 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Dual sticks From: "kmccune" To those who have done the dual stick mod, do you think it would be difficult to do it after its built? Just in case I don't care for the y stick? Quicker to go with the flow you know. Kevin -------- Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=218661#218661 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:48:23 AM PST US From: "George Race" Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Dual Sticks & Rudder Cables In the email below the web address is incorrect. Sorry about the error. George Should be: www.mykitairplane.com/MyCH701 _____ From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Race Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 8:13 AM Subject: Zenith701801-List: Dual Sticks & Rudder Cables When I built the 701 I also installed dual sticks. Hands off level flight was very easy, and I eliminated the crossed cables going to the Elevator. Ended up with a very smooth control system. Cable pulleys were also installed as part of the design. Using much of the design of the 601 dual stick diagram, they were built to fit the 701 from basic materials. Once you get the hang of getting in by putting your right foot in on the right side of the stick first, entering the airplane is very easy. As you can see from my pictures, that allowed for a single central mounted throttle control, and the airplane can be flown easily from either seat. On the Rudder Cables I installed a pair of "guide" pulleys just behind the point where the cables come thru the front seat bulkhead. This resulted in the cables not changing direction slightly thru the front mounted fairleads as well as reducing the friction point at the front fairlead. At the rear where the cables exit the Fuselage, I used a nylon fairlead on the inside of the fuselage as well as the outside of the fuselage under the cable fairing plate. I had a lot of clearance between the cable and the "L" angles of the Fuselage along the Rudder cable run. You can see the details of all the above in my pictures located at www.mykitiarplane.com/MyCH701. You can also purchase the 2000 picture DVD that I have there as well if you wish to see all the details very close up on your computer. George - Builder and Test Pilot of N73EX ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:13 AM PST US From: "Curt Thompson" Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Landing light pointing info needed for CH701 Les, Thanks for the info about bending the lexan. I was wondering how hot I would need to get it. I'll make sure the wife is not around when I try that. :-) I'm building the slats from scratch now so I have access to the innards. I'm going to put in at least one extra rib to hold the lamp bracket. I've already put the wire for the light in the wing. I plan to mount the lamp in a gimbal so I can adjust where it points. I'm still hoping someone knows approximately what works for the angle so I can minimize the window I put in the slat. Curt ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:46 AM PST US From: "Curt Thompson" Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Landing light pointing info needed for CH701Landing light pointing info needed for CH701Landing light pointing info needed for CH701 So, assuming that the light points out from the slat in the picture at the link below, this gives me enough info on where to put the window. Thanks, Curt _____ From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tommy Walker Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 6:52 AM Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Landing light pointing info needed for CH701Landing light pointing info needed for CH701Landing light pointing info needed for CH701 Take a look at this: http://www.ch701.com/builders/Steve%20Johnston/Steve_Mods.htm Tommy Walker in Alabama ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:10:26 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: CH801 Stability From: "n85ae" I'd like to get opinions from CH801 fliers out there. I'm building an 801 and I'm at the point of making some panel decisions. I'm Instrument rated, and previously built a Series 5 Kitfox with an IO-240B. I built the plane with a complete IFR panel. Reality turned out the Kitfox, is too much of a hands on airplane to use as a good IFR platform, so I never fly it IFR. It is a very fun plane to fly though, but tires you out on a long flight from the constant little off course nudges you get from every little bump in flight. So I'd like some honest opinions about how solid is the 801 in flight? Is it Cessna 172 stable, or does it require a lot more pilot attention? Regards, Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=218691#218691 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:23:16 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Landing light pointing info needed for CH701Landing light po From: "n85ae" On my Kitfox I put wingtip landing lights on it, but never liked them as I don't like the way wingtip mounted landing lights illuminate the ground. I have a detachable light bar, that I attach to my float attach points on the belly now. It has 3 big halogen lights on it, and illuminates the runway better than the high beams on my car. I use a quick disconnect plug, and it takes about 2 minutes to mount the light bar (2 bolts) Belly mounted lights also offer a BIG advantage that reflected light off the belly provide great ground illumination in the flare, so you have illumination to the sides in your peripheral vision. Which if you have tried to three point a taildragger at night you will know exactly what I'm refering to. I have flown various other planes with wing located landing lights and none of them have worked nearly as well as do my current belly mounted lights. I think you can do a slick looking wing light installation, but I don't think they will work as well as do belly mounted lights. On the Kitfox even with 3 big KC Hilites (yes offroad truck lights) even thought they look like real drag producers, the reality is that I don't notice much difference in performance. I've been flying with them for about 6 years now and they really have worked well for me. Regards, Jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=218693#218693 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:45:49 AM PST US From: "ZodieRocket" Subject: Zenith701801-List: From 2003 and Mark T Wow that was an old post, The .125 and the .060 extruded are both 6061 T6 Mark -----Original Message----- Mark is this true for all the .093 and .040 angle on the 701? And is it structural or architectural grade? Thanks and sorry for the kick in the head...memory! Kevin ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:09:19 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: From 2003 and Mark T From: "kmccune" Yup I've been digging around. I also have to apologize as I reread my post and I didn't make myself clear. My question was is the extrusion acceptable for all the .093 and .040? And is it architectural or structural grade? Thanks Kevin Quote snipped from original post Joined: 22 Sep 2007 Posts: 421 Location: Wisconsin, USA Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 8:45 pm Post subject: RE: Re: 701 longerons .093 extrus. From 2003 and Mark T ________________________________________ Mark is this true for all the .093 and .040 angle on the 701? And is it structural or architectural grade? Thanks and sorry for the kick in the head...memory! Kevin """ From: "Mark Townsend" Subject: Re: 701 longerons .093 extrus. I have talked to Chris about this and he Ok'ed me to use .0125 in place of the .090 and to use extruded .060 in place of the formed .040 longeron. I plan on taking this approach with my 701. Mark Alma, Ontario ----- Original Message ----- > > Now that I'm about ready to start on the 701 fuselage I seem to remember > that ZAC OK'd the use of .093 6061 angle in place of the .040 formed > longerons. The .093 extrusion seems to be pretty elusive stuff as far as I > can see. Does anyone know of a supplier in Canada ( Ontario ) or close to > the border with the US ? > Peter - 701 wings 90 %, tail 90 %, 110 % to go.""" -------- Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=218719#218719 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:27:36 AM PST US From: Zed Smith Subject: Zenith701801-List: 6061-T6 do not archive BIG DISCLAIMER !! Listers, On rare occasions I have seen 6061T6 extruded angle in both 3-foot and 6-foot lengths at Home Depot. I stress the word 'rare' because they stock aluminum, steel, brass, etc, in a stand-up rack and it consists of whatever they can get at the moment. Or, whatever some buyer buys for stock. I'd wager that the buyers don't know 6061 from Shinola, but that's another story. Point is, if you are wandering through a box store and see a bin of assorted metals, look closely at the labels which MAY be attached to the individual pieces. Ones I've seen are made by Crown Metals and specifically state "6061-T6" and have a Crown part number. Insert another disclaimer here!! Anyway, if you only need a couple of pieces and want to avoid the freight charges, this may do it. Stuff I purchased couple of years ago had the 'fillet' on the inside angle, and a very slight 'rounding' on the outside corner.....not the sharp 90-degree deal on the cheap decorative aluminum made from recycled garbage. The Crown material makes excellent brackets, braces, etc, for things like radio supports, ELT supports, and others. Regards to all, Zed "Shinola" is a registered trademark of somebody, and is not affilated with any List member, as best I know the facts available at the moment. Another disclaimer. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:34:19 PM PST US From: "ZodieRocket" Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Re: From 2003 and Mark T Sorry Kevin Structural is 6061 T6 will have fillet on inside radius Architectural is 6063 and will have 90 deg corners. Zenith gets there 6061 custom extruded. You can change all the .093 for .125 6061 T6 in your 701 the .040 can be changed in the longerons for .060 extruded 6061 T6 but the remainder .040 is less then 4ft and should be bent on a brake to plans. Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac CH650 C-GOXL, CH701 Rotax 912, STOL CH750 Just started www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kmccune Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 2:09 PM Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: From 2003 and Mark T Yup I've been digging around. I also have to apologize as I reread my post and I didn't make myself clear. My question was is the extrusion acceptable for all the .093 and .040? And is it architectural or structural grade? Thanks Kevin Quote snipped from original post Joined: 22 Sep 2007 Posts: 421 Location: Wisconsin, USA Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 8:45 pm Post subject: RE: Re: 701 longerons .093 extrus. From 2003 and Mark T ________________________________________ Mark is this true for all the .093 and .040 angle on the 701? And is it structural or architectural grade? Thanks and sorry for the kick in the head...memory! Kevin """ From: "Mark Townsend" Subject: Re: 701 longerons .093 extrus. I have talked to Chris about this and he Ok'ed me to use .0125 in place of the .090 and to use extruded .060 in place of the formed .040 longeron. I plan on taking this approach with my 701. Mark Alma, Ontario ----- Original Message ----- > > Now that I'm about ready to start on the 701 fuselage I seem to remember > that ZAC OK'd the use of .093 6061 angle in place of the .040 formed > longerons. The .093 extrusion seems to be pretty elusive stuff as far as I > can see. Does anyone know of a supplier in Canada ( Ontario ) or close to > the border with the US ? > Peter - 701 wings 90 %, tail 90 %, 110 % to go.""" -------- Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=218719#218719 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:33:42 PM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: From 2003 and Mark T From: "kmccune" Thanks, I didn't realized there is an alloy difference. do not archive kevin -------- Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=218753#218753 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:36:43 PM PST US From: "Dan" Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Re: From 2003 and Mark T Mark: Not to cause trouble here, but the .125 6061-T6 I got has 90 degree inside corners. When I got it I called Zenith and they said it was ok to use. The inside radius is slightly stronger, but they said the 90 degree corner was fine for this application since it is .125 instead of .093. Dan -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ZodieRocket Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 12:34 PM Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Re: From 2003 and Mark T Sorry Kevin Structural is 6061 T6 will have fillet on inside radius Architectural is 6063 and will have 90 deg corners. Zenith gets there 6061 custom extruded. You can change all the .093 for .125 6061 T6 in your 701 the .040 can be changed in the longerons for .060 extruded 6061 T6 but the remainder .040 is less then 4ft and should be bent on a brake to plans. Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario Zodiac CH650 C-GOXL, CH701 Rotax 912, STOL CH750 Just started www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kmccune Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 2:09 PM Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: From 2003 and Mark T Yup I've been digging around. I also have to apologize as I reread my post and I didn't make myself clear. My question was is the extrusion acceptable for all the .093 and .040? And is it architectural or structural grade? Thanks Kevin Quote snipped from original post Joined: 22 Sep 2007 Posts: 421 Location: Wisconsin, USA Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 8:45 pm Post subject: RE: Re: 701 longerons .093 extrus. From 2003 and Mark T ________________________________________ Mark is this true for all the .093 and .040 angle on the 701? And is it structural or architectural grade? Thanks and sorry for the kick in the head...memory! Kevin """ From: "Mark Townsend" Subject: Re: 701 longerons .093 extrus. I have talked to Chris about this and he Ok'ed me to use .0125 in place of the .090 and to use extruded .060 in place of the formed .040 longeron. I plan on taking this approach with my 701. Mark Alma, Ontario ----- Original Message ----- > > Now that I'm about ready to start on the 701 fuselage I seem to remember > that ZAC OK'd the use of .093 6061 angle in place of the .040 formed > longerons. The .093 extrusion seems to be pretty elusive stuff as far as I > can see. Does anyone know of a supplier in Canada ( Ontario ) or close to > the border with the US ? > Peter - 701 wings 90 %, tail 90 %, 110 % to go.""" -------- Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=218719#218719 Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 6:53 PM ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:34:19 PM PST US From: Larry Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: Dual sticks My dual sticks just attach to the Y-Stick controls. I think I have some pictures on my site, Larry N1345L, www.skyhawg.com. kmccune wrote: > > To those who have done the dual stick mod, do you think it would be difficult to do it after its built? Just in case I don't care for the y stick? Quicker to go with the flow you know. > > Kevin > > -------- > Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=218661#218661 > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:40:20 PM PST US From: Larry Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Landing light pointing info needed for CH701 Not Les, but I have bent a lot of lexan. Just use a heat gun and warm it with pressure toward the way you want to bend it. When it gets warm enough it will bend. It is very important that you keep the heat moving back and forth on the bend. If you let it stop or get too hot, it will distort. Try a couple of small pieces first, nothing to it. Larry, N1345L Curt Thompson wrote: > > Les, > > Thanks for the info about bending the lexan. I was wondering how hot I > would need to get it. I'll make sure the wife is not around when I try > that. :-) > > I'm building the slats from scratch now so I have access to the innards. > I'm going to put in at least one extra rib to hold the lamp bracket. I've > already put the wire for the light in the wing. I plan to mount the lamp in > a gimbal so I can adjust where it points. I'm still hoping someone knows > approximately what works for the angle so I can minimize the window I put in > the slat. > > Curt > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:51:11 PM PST US From: JohnDRead@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Landing light pointing info needed for CH701 Let's not start the VG wars again. To the question; I am planning on HID landing and taxi lights on my 701. I am going to install them on the UC near the centerline of the fuselage, one will point down the runway for taxying the other will be aimed toward the runway for a typical nose up landing angle. John Read Phone: 303-648-3261 Fax: 303-648-3262 Cell: 719-494-4567 In a message dated 12/9/2008 6:11:10 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, lrm@skyhawg.com writes: --> Zenith701801-List message posted by: Larry Be a lot easier if you took the slats off and added VGs. Take care, Larry N1345L Curt Thompson wrote: > I'm looking at adding a landing light integrated in the slat on my CH701. > I'm looking for information about the approximate pointing angle for the > light. I'd like to get the approximate angle relative to the wing cord or > some other reference. This would take into account an average angle of > attach during landing. Does anyone have any idea? > > > > Curt > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. The NEW ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:32 PM PST US From: "John Bolding" Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: Dual sticks Kevin, One of my favorite designers, Steve Wittman, used a center stick in the Buttercup, Tailwind, & O&O Special. However , it had a "T" on the top of the stick that extended to the left to a point centerline to the pilot and then vertically DOWN a few inches and that was the dualstick. Would be very easy, cheap and light to make a removable extension to the standard "Y" to accomplish the same thing. Both sides if you want it. That mod will be on my aircraft. LO&SLO John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry" > > My dual sticks just attach to the Y-Stick controls. I think I have some > pictures on my site, Larry N1345L, www.skyhawg.com. > > kmccune wrote: >> >> To those who have done the dual stick mod, do you think it would be >> difficult to do it after its built? Just in case I don't care for the y >> stick? Quicker to go with the flow you know. >> >> Kevin >> > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:32:55 PM PST US From: "Ken Ryan" Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: Dual sticks X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Wow! Thanks for that one! Sometimes the obvious is so hard to see! On 10 Dec 2008 at 21:59, John Bolding wrote: > > Kevin, > One of my favorite designers, Steve Wittman, used a center stick in the > Buttercup, Tailwind, & O&O Special. However , it had a "T" on the top of the > stick that extended to the left to a point centerline to the pilot and then > vertically DOWN a few inches and that was the dualstick. Would be very > easy, cheap and light to make a removable extension to the standard "Y" to > accomplish the same thing. Both sides if you want it. That mod will be on my > aircraft. > LO&SLO John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry" > > > > > > My dual sticks just attach to the Y-Stick controls. I think I have some > > pictures on my site, Larry N1345L, www.skyhawg.com. > > > > kmccune wrote: > >> > >> To those who have done the dual stick mod, do you think it would be > >> difficult to do it after its built? Just in case I don't care for the y > >> stick? Quicker to go with the flow you know. > >> > >> Kevin > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith701801-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith701801-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith701801-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith701801-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.