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1. 05:26 AM - Merry Christmas! (Tommy Walker)
2. 05:29 AM - Re: Rivets (Geoff Heap)
3. 06:06 AM - Re: Rivets (stepinwolf)
4. 06:21 AM - Re: Re: Rivets (BokKat)
5. 06:22 AM - Re: Re: Rivets (BokKat)
6. 06:43 AM - Re: Rivets (fritz)
7. 07:25 AM - Re: Re: Rivet puller problems (Larry)
8. 07:28 AM - Re: Re: Rivets (Larry)
9. 07:35 AM - Re: Re: Rivet puller problems (Iberplanes IGL)
10. 08:04 AM - Re: Rivet puller problems (raymondj)
11. 08:25 AM - Re: Rivet puller problems (Harvey Richards)
12. 09:49 AM - Re: Rivets (gotosteven)
13. 11:08 AM - Re: Re: Rivet puller problems (NYTerminat@aol.com)
14. 01:31 PM - Rotax carburetor heat for sale (sonar1@cox.net)
15. 01:41 PM - Re: Rotax carburetor heat for sale (mcolbeck)
16. 06:12 PM - Re: Rotax carburetor heat for sale (Larry)
17. 10:09 PM - Re: Rotax carburetor heat for sale (sonar1@cox.net)
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| Subject: | Merry Christmas! |
To all of you, no matter your religious faith, or lack thereof, I wish you the
best both in your personal lives and in building your 701/801 during the coming
year.
Here's a picture of N8701 at the September 2008 Open Hangar Day in Mexico, MO.
Why not post a picture of your project, either finished or not, so we can take
a look at what you spend so much time working on or thinking about?
Tommy Walker in Alabama
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N8701 - Anniston, AL
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I've got every rivet stem I ever pulled in a large coffee can 7/8 full. You're
welcome to come to my house and count them. Seriously though, now that you mention
it I really should get a count. Did anyone else keep the stems I wonder.
Maybe I'll count them over Xmas of no one comes up with an answer....Geoff
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Geoff Heap wrote:
> I've got every rivet stem I ever pulled I'll count them over Xmas of no one comes
up with an answer....Geoff
Geoff, Make it easy on yourself. Count out an even hundred, and weigh the can.
[Wink]
Bob
the 701 & 750 Scratch
Three Rivers,
Quebec
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I read somewhere it is around 7 - 8 thousand, though it could vary depending
on details of the individual construction.
Up here in ND it's been snowing and below zero for the last 2 weeks so my
test flying has stalled out at 34 hours!
Merry Xmas to everyone!
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From: "Geoff Heap" <stol10@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 7:29 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Rivets
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> I've got every rivet stem I ever pulled in a large coffee can 7/8 full.
> You're welcome to come to my house and count them. Seriously though, now
> that you mention it I really should get a count. Did anyone else keep the
> stems I wonder. Maybe I'll count them over Xmas of no one comes up with an
> answer....Geoff
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I was thinking that a "guess the number" contest in the local EAA chapter
would be interesting! Winner gets a flight in the plane.
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From: "stepinwolf" <robert.pelland@cgocable.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 8:06 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Rivets
> <robert.pelland@cgocable.ca>
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> Geoff Heap wrote:
>> I've got every rivet stem I ever pulled I'll count them over Xmas of no
>> one comes up with an answer....Geoff
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> Geoff, Make it easy on yourself. Count out an even hundred, and weigh the
> can. [Wink]
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> Bob
> the 701 & 750 Scratch
> Three Rivers,
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My plans for my 701 which I built in 1996 show:
A-4 (1/8") = 5500
A-5 (5/32) = 1300
Fritz
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From: "gotosteven" <gotosteven@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 12:17 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Rivets
> <gotosteven@hotmail.com>
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> Hi can someone give me an approximate on how many rivets i will need from
> start to finish on my 701
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> size and info would be great i have a bunch of AN450C8/6 wondering if are
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet puller problems |
I believe you could be holding it an an angle or not holding it down
firm. Here's a little suggestion I use and it helps keep the riveter
head from bouncing off and marking your aluminum and popping the stem
too early. The reason I am mentioning this is because sometimes when
you put pressure hard down on the head, it will bounce when it pops, you
will get a nice little dent next to your rivet. What happens is that you
end up holding your riveter up or pulling away too fast and it pops the
stem off without tightening the rivet. I hope that makes sense. Anyway
get a piece of soft leather and cut a small hole in it to surround the
rivet. When it bounces, it will bounce on the leather. Keep downward
pressure until it pops. Take care, Larry
Ed T wrote:
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> Harvey,
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> I was having similar problems with my almost new hand riveter, but the rivet
stems broke off higher...10-15mm. It happens about once every 10 rivets.
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> Tonight, the darned thing broke, and won't pull any rivets. I will replace the
jaws if I can locate the spares in my cluttered shop.
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> My new pneumatic riveter also breaks off the occasional A5, but never has a problem
with A4's. That also happens about once every 8-10 rivets.
>
> I asked Zenith, and they said they have not been having reports of problems.
So I just popped the stems off with a pliers, and continued to build.
>
> I'd be curious to see if they have a bad batch of rivets.
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> Merry Christmas!
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> Ed Trudeau
> 750 tail done
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10,000 is about right. Larry N1345L
Geoff Heap wrote:
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> I've got every rivet stem I ever pulled in a large coffee can 7/8 full. You're
welcome to come to my house and count them. Seriously though, now that you mention
it I really should get a count. Did anyone else keep the stems I wonder.
Maybe I'll count them over Xmas of no one comes up with an answer....Geoff
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet puller problems |
mmmmm, it seems you need to use the right pressure from your compressor.
Read the manual of your riveter and you=B4ll find the supposed PSI to work
without problems.
bye.
2008/12/24 Larry <lrm@skyhawg.com>
>
> I believe you could be holding it an an angle or not holding it down firm
.
> Here's a little suggestion I use and it helps keep the riveter head from
> bouncing off and marking your aluminum and popping the stem too early. T
he
> reason I am mentioning this is because sometimes when you put pressure ha
rd
> down on the head, it will bounce when it pops, you will get a nice little
> dent next to your rivet. What happens is that you end up holding your
> riveter up or pulling away too fast and it pops the stem off without
> tightening the rivet. I hope that makes sense. Anyway get a piece of sof
t
> leather and cut a small hole in it to surround the rivet. When it bounce
s,
> it will bounce on the leather. Keep downward pressure until it pops. Ta
ke
> care, Larry
>
> Ed T wrote:
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>> edward.trudeau@comcast.net>
>>
>> Harvey,
>>
>> I was having similar problems with my almost new hand riveter, but the
>> rivet stems broke off higher...10-15mm. It happens about once every 10
>> rivets.
>>
>> Tonight, the darned thing broke, and won't pull any rivets. I will
>> replace the jaws if I can locate the spares in my cluttered shop.
>>
>> My new pneumatic riveter also breaks off the occasional A5, but never ha
s
>> a problem with A4's. That also happens about once every 8-10 rivets.
>>
>> I asked Zenith, and they said they have not been having reports of
>> problems. So I just popped the stems off with a pliers, and continued t
o
>> build.
>>
>> I'd be curious to see if they have a bad batch of rivets.
>>
>> Merry Christmas!
>>
>> Ed Trudeau
>> 750 tail done
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>> Tail Done
>> Semper Fi
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Serial: 6-7011
Tail Kit: Finished
Wings: Not Started
Fuselage: Ordered
Engine: Jabiru 3300
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet puller problems |
Is it possible that the jaws on your puller are scoring the stem deeply
enough that the stem is pulling apart where the jaws grab it. Do the ends
of the stems look like they have been scored on each side and then broken or
stretched to failure in the remaining cross sectional area?
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
"Hope for the best,
but prepare for the worst."
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From: "Harvey Richards" <lisa.richards@ns.sympatico.ca>
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 2:33 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Rivet puller problems
> <lisa.richards@ns.sympatico.ca>
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> Would anyone have any ideas on the following hand rivet puller problems.
> About every 5th or so A5 rivet has a sharp stem protrusion a mm or so and
> some are breaking off with 10 mm or so protruding with the same sharp
> angle. I have disassembled and lightly lubricated and it still happens.
> A4 rivets pull ok. Thanks Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet puller problems |
Will try to make sure it is square and tight to rivet and surface. The rivet gun
is the one zenith sells and only has a 1000 or so A4s pulled and very few A5s.
No air pressure problems as I have a compressor but no pneumatic rivet gun.
Thanks for replies.
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thank you guy that gives me a good idea of how many to pick up
A-4 (1/8") = 6000
A-5 (5/32) = 1500
this will give me a good start
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| Subject: | Re: Rivet puller problems |
Harvey, Another suggestion is to not to use too much air pressure, so that
it won't bounce.
Bob Spudis
N701ZX
In a message dated 12/24/2008 10:25:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
lrm@skyhawg.com writes:
--> Zenith701801-List message posted by: Larry <lrm@skyhawg.com>
I believe you could be holding it an an angle or not holding it down
firm. Here's a little suggestion I use and it helps keep the riveter
head from bouncing off and marking your aluminum and popping the stem
too early. The reason I am mentioning this is because sometimes when
you put pressure hard down on the head, it will bounce when it pops, you
will get a nice little dent next to your rivet. What happens is that you
end up holding your riveter up or pulling away too fast and it pops the
stem off without tightening the rivet. I hope that makes sense. Anyway
get a piece of soft leather and cut a small hole in it to surround the
rivet. When it bounces, it will bounce on the leather. Keep downward
pressure until it pops. Take care, Larry
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| Subject: | Rotax carburetor heat for sale |
Had a forced landing in a cotton field. Thought it was carb ice, so I automatically
ordered the carb heat kit from Lockwood.
Turns out that the problem was a totally clogged fuel filter (little black and
clear plastic fibers).
It's a nice looking unit which circulates hot water around the carbs
Have decided I don't need it - perhaps someone in a more humid climate could use
it?
Paid $295. Will sell for $220 plus $10 shipping.
Fred Sanford Ca. N9701
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax carburetor heat for sale |
I will take it. I have a ring mount and the $1200 heater box does not fit on a
ring mount 912S.
I am up in Alberta Canada. How do you want the money? Email me offline and i can
arrange. I use paypal but other means can be arranged.
Thanks
mark"at" mcm-inc.com
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Rudder, HS, and Elevator completed
Left wing Complete
50% complete on Right Wing
99% Complete on Fuselage
Engine installed almost ready to fire
Instrument panel and electrical Complete
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax carburetor heat for sale |
Why is your filter clogged? I had a gyro once or twice and the fuel
filters kept stopping up. What it was, was little pieces of foam
breaking loose from that "anti-blow up foam" RAF used. They used all
the little pieces to fill in the voids. You should check out why it was
stopped up. There is a reason and it isn't good. Don't just use a band
aid, fix it. Take care, Larry N1345L
sonar1@cox.net wrote:
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> Had a forced landing in a cotton field. Thought it was carb ice, so I automatically
ordered the carb heat kit from Lockwood.
> Turns out that the problem was a totally clogged fuel filter (little black and
clear plastic fibers).
> It's a nice looking unit which circulates hot water around the carbs
> Have decided I don't need it - perhaps someone in a more humid climate could
use it?
> Paid $295. Will sell for $220 plus $10 shipping.
> Fred Sanford Ca. N9701
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax carburetor heat for sale |
IRM:
I had just gotten fuel at Colinga, Ca. in some ferocious winds - 25-40 knots on
landing. Don't know if I can blame the fuel or not. The engine started missing
about 20 minutes later, and just kept getting worse.
When I cracked the filter open (the small plastic cone filters from ACS) there
were obvious hairs everywhere. Put in a new similar filter and flew it 20 minutes
to Los Banos and drained all of the fuel. Fueled up and installed another
similar filter, and flew it 2.5 hours home. Will be installing a larger fuel
filter.
Still don't know the source of the fibers. They melt when I heat them. The fuel
getting to the filter had to go through the screen of my ACS gascolator and down
1 foot of hose to get to the filter. There were no obvious fibers on the screen.
A real mystery.........Fred
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