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1. 03:42 AM - Re: 701 rudder horn bend (John Bolding)
2. 07:03 AM - zenith.aero (Carlos Sa)
3. 07:34 AM - Re: zenith.aero (Craig Payne)
4. 09:36 AM - Brakes (Bruce Cruikshank)
5. 09:41 AM - Re: 701 rudder horn bend (Dan)
6. 10:16 AM - Re: Brakes (John Bolding)
7. 10:32 AM - Fuselage First? (Jake Crause)
8. 11:06 AM - Re: Brakes (LarryMcFarland)
9. 11:20 AM - Re: Fuselage First? (Charles Chappell)
10. 11:52 AM - Re: 701 rudder horn bend (Bob Percival)
11. 12:41 PM - 2 More fun videos :) (Brady)
12. 02:05 PM - Brakes (Dan Wilde)
13. 02:12 PM - Re: Fuselage First? (JohnDRead@aol.com)
14. 02:33 PM - Re: Fuselage First? (jimcarriere)
15. 06:56 PM - Re: 2 More fun videos :) (Tom P)
16. 06:59 PM - Re: 2 More fun videos :) (Brady)
17. 08:00 PM - Re: 2 More fun videos :) (Tom P)
18. 08:04 PM - Re: 2 More fun videos :) (Brady)
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| Subject: | Re: 701 rudder horn bend |
Bend it BEFORE you cut it out. John 701/Vair
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From: Bob Percival
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 9:34 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: 701 rudder horn bend
Do any of you scratch builders have good recipe for getting the 30
degree bend in the .090 rudder horn. I have everything else ready to
assemble but this step is humbling me.
Thanks - Do Not Archive
Bob Percival
701/Vair
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Hello, all
In case you have received an invite to join zenith.aero, and are wondering
if it is real, I can assure it is.
I have already joined. The web site has potential...
123 members at the moment, several from the z-lists.
http://www.zenith.aero/
Happy New Year !
Carlos
do not archive
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The web domain zenith.aero is registered to one Sebastien Heintz of Mexico,
MO. ".aero" is a new "top level domain" (.com, .org, .gov, etc) for aviation
related sites.
-- Craig
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[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carlos Sa
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 7:56 AM
zenith601-list@matronics.com
Subject: Zenith701801-List: zenith.aero
Hello, all
In case you have received an invite to join zenith.aero, and are wondering
if it is real, I can assure it is.
I have already joined. The web site has potential...
123 members at the moment, several from the z-lists.
http://www.zenith.aero/
Happy New Year !
Carlos
do not archive
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A question for those flying. How useful are the differential brakes. I
need to rig up a hand brake and it would be easier and lighter to use a
single brake. I have no experiance flying with direct nosewheel
steering, but differential brakes don't seem that useful except maybe in
a cross wind.
I'm starting on a 750.
Happy New Year
Bruce Cruikshank
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| Subject: | 701 rudder horn bend |
Hi Bob: I laid it out and bent it over the edge of my bench. Just sandwich
it between the bench top and another board on top and clamp it with a couple
of c clamps and bend it with your forming hammer. Dan.
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From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Percival
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 7:35 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: 701 rudder horn bend
Do any of you scratch builders have good recipe for getting the 30 degree
bend in the .090 rudder horn. I have everything else ready to assemble but
this step is humbling me.
Thanks - Do Not Archive
Bob Percival
701/Vair
8:44 AM
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Flew a Tri Pacer for several yrs with a lever in the middle for both
brakes. No reason it wouldn't work on the 701, lighter , cheaper, easier
to build. I wouldn't want to have one lever on a tailwheel airplane but
on a nose dragger no reason not to, good idea !!
John
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From: Bruce Cruikshank
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Brakes
A question for those flying. How useful are the differential brakes.
I need to rig up a hand brake and it would be easier and lighter to use
a single brake. I have no experiance flying with direct nosewheel
steering, but differential brakes don't seem that useful except maybe in
a cross wind.
I'm starting on a 750.
Bruce Cruikshank
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Greetings listers,- =0A-=0AMy name is Jake Crause and-my family and I
are-very close to starting a CH-801 project.- Let me tell you...we-a
re pretty darn excited about it too.- This comes after many years of inde
cision and a couple of false starts.- I've been following the list for aw
hile but I'm still 493 emails in the hole before I'm up to date!- Hopeful
ly this topic has not been discussed already in the recent past.=0A-=0AI'
m in the Military and expect to deploy for the second time within the next
year or so.- I'm trying to plan the build in such a way that I can still
make progress while on deployment and-in a way that-will fit-our cash
flow projections.- Here is my question:--=0A-=0AConventional wisdo
m is to build the tail kit first.- Is there any precedence for-building
-the rudder first to gain some experience-then skipping over the-rest
of the tail kit to build the Fuselage?--I'm thinking I'd like to save
the rest of the tail kit for-while I'm on deployment.- After one deploy
ment under my belt I can imagine comfortably being able to complete the tai
l in my spare time over the course of a year.- If work stops every time I
deploy I'll never get anything done.=0A=0AI almost started an RV tail kit
on my last deployment but-the need for the-pneumatic rivet gun made wor
king on it in my living area impossible.--Also, since I was already-o
verseas-when I looked into it purchasing the kit,-getting-it shipped
there was going to cost more than the kit-itself.- Looking back I'm ple
ased I did not start on the RV because our goals have changed significantly
since then.- That's another topic for another time.---=0A-=0AWe
may stick with the conventional order of build but your input would be help
ful in-our decision making process.- Thanks in advance.=0A-=0AJake an
d Belle-Crause=0APooler, GA-=0A=0A=0A
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Hi Bruce,
If you were flying a tail dragger, you'd need differential braking, but
for the steerable nose wheel, they only improve nose wheel steering or
assist when
you're on just the mains in a landing. I'd have them regardless. If
toe brakes are not possible, do consider heel brakes.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Bruce Cruikshank wrote:
> A question for those flying. How useful are the differential brakes.
> I need to rig up a hand brake and it would be easier and lighter to
> use a single brake. I have no experiance flying with direct nosewheel
> steering, but differential brakes don't seem that useful except maybe
> in a cross wind.
> I'm starting on a 750.
>
> Happy New Year
> Bruce Cruikshank
> *
> *
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Jake, I have very little done on my 701, but I have built another metal
airplane. I say if you can make the shop space and have the tools to work
with while deployed, go for it. Any progress is better than no progress and
would certainly be more fun than most forms of entertainment available while
deployed. I would bet your biggest problem will be keeping all your friends
out of your hair while you are building.
By the way, thanks for what you do.
Charles Chappell
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jake
Crause
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 10:30 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Fuselage First?
Greetings listers,
My name is Jake Crause and my family and I are very close to starting a
CH-801 project. Let me tell you...we are pretty darn excited about it too.
This comes after many years of indecision and a couple of false starts.
I've been following the list for awhile but I'm still 493 emails in the hole
before I'm up to date! Hopefully this topic has not been discussed already
in the recent past.
I'm in the Military and expect to deploy for the second time within the next
year or so. I'm trying to plan the build in such a way that I can still
make progress while on deployment and in a way that will fit our cash flow
projections. Here is my question:
Conventional wisdom is to build the tail kit first. Is there any precedence
for building the rudder first to gain some experience then skipping over the
rest of the tail kit to build the Fuselage? I'm thinking I'd like to save
the rest of the tail kit for while I'm on deployment. After one deployment
under my belt I can imagine comfortably being able to complete the tail in
my spare time over the course of a year. If work stops every time I deploy
I'll never get anything done.
I almost started an RV tail kit on my last deployment but the need for the
pneumatic rivet gun made working on it in my living area impossible. Also,
since I was already overseas when I looked into it purchasing the kit,
getting it shipped there was going to cost more than the kit itself.
Looking back I'm pleased I did not start on the RV because our goals have
changed significantly since then. That's another topic for another time.
We may stick with the conventional order of build but your input would be
helpful in our decision making process. Thanks in advance.
Jake and Belle Crause
Pooler, GA
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| Subject: | 701 rudder horn bend |
Thanks to John and Dan. I had already cut out the horn so I'll have to
remember John's good advice for next time. I sandwiched the horn between
a couple of pieces of =BE" maple. I routed a =BC" roundover in the
bottom board to approximate the 6mm bend radius. I used deck screws to
fasten the blocks and rudder horn to the edge of my bench, passing the
screws through the three holes for the hinge and cable attachment
points. After significant coaxing with a large dead-blow hammer I have
the part in hand am ready to assemble.
Don't know what I'd do without this list.
Happy New Year!
Bob Percival
701/Vair
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 10:42 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: 701 rudder horn bend
Hi Bob: I laid it out and bent it over the edge of my bench. Just
sandwich it between the bench top and another board on top and clamp it
with a couple of c clamps and bend it with your forming hammer. Dan.
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From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob
Percival
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 7:35 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: 701 rudder horn bend
Do any of you scratch builders have good recipe for getting the 30
degree bend in the .090 rudder horn. I have everything else ready to
assemble but this step is humbling me.
Thanks - Do Not Archive
Bob Percival
701/Vair
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| Subject: | 2 More fun videos :) |
For those who are interested; I just posted two more videos.
The first one is of how we resurface the Head gasket area on the Corvair heads.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xptR8V9T1NM
The second one is cutting out a rear starter bracket for our MagVair conversion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHNyFiEOZV4
I'm not really addicted to Joe Satriani; I just like instrumentals.
I'll try to change it up a bit in the future.
Enjoy :)
Happy New Year!
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Brady McCormick
Poulsbo, WA
www.magnificentmachine.com
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I would recommend differential braking. With the 701 and just using the
nose wheel steering, the turning radius is quite large. With
differential braking, I can turn the plane in a very short circle by
locking one wheel and giving it a burst of power. This is quite handy
on narrow strips such as I have.
Dan Wilde
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage First? |
Hi Jake;
Best to build the tail group then the wings, the slats and flaps
could be left to later. Then build the fuselage. The 701 requires that the
wing attach points on the fuselage are located from measurements made on the
wing attach points. I would imagine that the 801 is similar. Have fun building.
Stay safe on the deployment.
John Read
CH701 - Elbert CO - Jabiru 3300
Phone: 303-648-3261
Fax: 303-648-3262
Cell: 719-494-4567
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| Subject: | Re: Fuselage First? |
Jake, first off my disclaimer is that I have a half finished (and 90% to go) Kitfox-
not a Zenith product. The Zenith lists are just one of the places I lurk
on the Matronics website. Anyway, a couple thoughts on building to share with
you:
No matter what order you build the components, keep in mind that sooner or later
you'll make a bad part and have to do the part over again. The first time you
get over that mental hump of having to throw away a piece of your hard work,
self-confidence goes up building gets a lot more enjoyable. The tail feathers
are a good starting point not just because they're cheap but because being
simple they're harder to mess up.
As for building your airplane around deployments and duty station moves, my kit
has survived a PCS move (I'm Navy). I DITY moved the parts myself in a Penske
rental truck, simply not worth the risk of contract movers. One of the guys
in my old EAA chapter was Air Force and he completed an RV over several years
and two or three moves. I'll second that any work you get done is good work.
Not sure about the logistics of packing sub-kits inside toughboxes and quadcons
for a deployment, guys sometimes bring stranger things, but working on a kitplane
while in-country would be pretty sweet if you pull it off.
I looked up Pooler, GA and I suspect we might know some of the same people or more
likely there are just a few degrees of separation. I had the privilege of
serving with a 3ID unit in Iraq this year (I was at Falcon), so thanks for what
you do.
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: 2 More fun videos :) |
Hate to say it but those video's aren't fun not even a little! Let me know if you
wanna see fun video's and I'll send you a link or two. [Wink]
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Tom CH801
Dynon D180
Lycoming IO-360 From Teledyne Mattituck
www.computerclubcanada.com/plane.htm
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| Subject: | Re: 2 More fun videos :) |
Well, don't hold out on us! :)
Show us what have you got ?!
Put up or shut up :)
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Brady McCormick
Poulsbo, WA
www.magnificentmachine.com
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| Subject: | Re: 2 More fun videos :) |
Go to my website and you will see a couple of fun videos. If you haven't already!
[Rolling Eyes]
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Tom CH801
Dynon D180
Lycoming IO-360 From Teledyne Mattituck
www.computerclubcanada.com/plane.htm
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| Subject: | Re: 2 More fun videos :) |
Tom,
I've seen those.
Back when they were new! :)
Watching you drive around in the grass trying to find the tarmac is fun though...:)
LOL
No, seriously, I did see your videos, and enjoyed them.
I think I found them on the Zenith site?
Got anything NEW?
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Brady McCormick
Poulsbo, WA
www.magnificentmachine.com
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