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1. 07:55 AM - Other Door Questions - Skyshop Products (txpilot)
2. 08:33 AM - Re: Other Door Questions - Skyshop Products (Randall J. Hebert)
3. 09:32 AM - Re: Other Door Questions - Skyshop Products (MacDonald Doug)
4. 10:16 AM - Re: Other Door Questions - Skyshop Products (Curt Thompson)
5. 12:32 PM - Re: Additional L angles in fuselage. (Les Goldner)
6. 12:57 PM - Re: 701 Wing Tank Question (jetboy)
7. 01:14 PM - Re: Other Door Questions - Skyshop Products (kmccune)
8. 04:40 PM - Re: 701 Wing Tank Question (kmccune)
9. 07:26 PM - Re: Additional L angles in fuselage. (David L. Orr)
10. 07:45 PM - Re: Other Door Questions - Skyshop Products (n801bh@netzero.com)
11. 08:14 PM - Re: 701 Wing Tank Question (jetboy)
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| Subject: | Other Door Questions - Skyshop Products |
I'm working on installing a set of bubble doors purchased from Skyshop and I have
a few questions. I tried asking Skyshop, but they said they don't support
ZAC anymore.
The doors were supplied with 70 A5 rivets, 30 A4 rivets, and 35 rivets I've never
seen before (in picture on left). They appear to be 1/8", but I'm wondering
if they're specifically made for riveting lexan. What the heck are these, and
where do I use them?
Second issue: is there any good technique for riveting the lexan to the door?
I have a plexiglass bit and step unibit for drilling, but it seems bending the
lexan in place on the top and bottom flange will almost certainly crack it.
Third issue: someone on this forum mentioned problems with mounting the gas strut
on the rear door tube, saying the door flexes when pulled down. Has anyone
else had this issue? Anyone try mounting the gas strut on the forward tube
and cabin frame?
Issue #4: related to a recent post of a door coming off in flight, I'm thinking of another solution. I'm considering purchasing a couple Quick Release pins from Aircraft Spruce ( http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/qkreleasepin.php ), drilling a 1/4" hole in the door latch and strike plate, and simply inserting the pin prior to flight. I think the pin should be able to come out quickly in the event of an emergency. Any thoughts on problems with this solution?
Thanks for any help.
Dan Ginty
N787DG
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| Subject: | Other Door Questions - Skyshop Products |
I think they look sort of like Cherry rivets. Supposedly a substitute
for Solid Rivets but CH doesn't favor them too much.
Randall J Hebert
I'm working on installing a set of bubble doors purchased from Skyshop
and I have a few questions. I tried asking Skyshop, but they said they
don't support ZAC anymore.
Thanks for any help.
Dan Ginty
N787DG
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| Subject: | Re: Other Door Questions - Skyshop Products |
Dan, my only concern with pinning the door latch in flight is that if you were
in an accident that disabled you (out cold) and someone was trying to rescue you.
Having the door pinned closed could slow things down quite a bit. I think
the horizontal bar idea JG posted would be a better solution as a supplimentary
door closure.
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch Builder
NW Ontario, Canada
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>
> Issue #4: related to a recent post of a door coming off in
> flight, I'm thinking of another solution. I'm
> considering purchasing a couple Quick Release pins from
> Aircraft Spruce (
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/qkreleasepin.php
> ), drilling a 1/4" hole in the door latch and strike
> plate, and simply inserting the pin prior to flight. I
> think the pin should be able to come out quickly in the
> event of an emergency. Any thoughts on problems with this
> solution?
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Dan Ginty
> N787DG
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| Subject: | Other Door Questions - Skyshop Products |
The rivet on the left looks like a "closed end blind rivet" like the ones I
used to make my glued-up fuel tanks. They are capped at the end so that
stuff (fuel or air) does not bleed through the stem. I don't think they
would work any different than the Avex rivets for this purpose. I don't see
where these would work any better for lexan. They probably included them
because that is what they had on hand.
Curt
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| Subject: | Additional L angles in fuselage. |
Harvey,
My 7-01 has been flying for over a year. Rather than put in additional "L"s,
I glued in some cheap light 1" wood "L" moldings and painted over them in
places in the fus where I wanted to stop the oil canning. This method seems
to be working very well. The oil canning has been reduced and this is a
lighter and a much simpler approach than having to rivet in metal "L"s.
Les
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harvey
Richards
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 12:31 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Additional L angles in fuselage.
<lisa.richards@ns.sympatico.ca>
I have seen where people have done the diagonal additional L bracing to cut
down on oil canning. I am at that stage and have been wondering what to do.
Some have gone with diagonals and some with complete X's between the Ls
shown on the plans. Would not going straight across,parallel to the Ls,
shown on the plans do the job. One could then tie them together with .025
gussets as already shown on the plans. This would take less L angles, be
lighter and cut the unsupported distance in half also. Any thoughts? Thanks
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CH 701
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Wing Tank Question |
I have the CZAW tanks which have a capacity of approx. 42.5 Litres each.
Looking at my plans, this version does not have a 7V11-2K and the tank reaches
7V6-2 instead. The differences for the tank fold plans, top of page down, as follows.
ZAC 10 gal 502 100 488 200 5 dl=1295 W=565
CZAW 665 48 630 199 5 dl=1547 W=565
FWIW I do notice a pitch up effect at T/O although have not correlated that with
the amount of fuel carried. I assumed it was more to do with the centre of lift
being different to the C of G on the wheels or the centre of lift changing
with the angle of attack of the wing - where the slats might alter pressure distribution
over the top wing surface?
Ralph
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Ralph - CH701 / 2200a
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| Subject: | Re: Other Door Questions - Skyshop Products |
They seem to have a lot of 701 stuff on their website yet, for a company not supporting
701s.
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Kevin
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Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that
you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover.
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Wing Tank Question |
Where is the fuel outlet located?
do not archive
kevin
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Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that
you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail
away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
Discover.
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| Subject: | Additional L angles in fuselage. |
Les, what brand of glue did you use?
Thanks
David L. Orr
-----Original Message-----
>From: Les Goldner <lgold@quantum-associates.com>
>Sent: Jan 8, 2009 12:29 PM
>To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Additional L angles in fuselage.
>
>
>Harvey,
>My 7-01 has been flying for over a year. Rather than put in additional "L"s,
>I glued in some cheap light 1" wood "L" moldings and painted over them in
>places in the fus where I wanted to stop the oil canning. This method seems
>to be working very well. The oil canning has been reduced and this is a
>lighter and a much simpler approach than having to rivet in metal "L"s.
>Les
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harvey
>Richards
>Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 12:31 PM
>To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Zenith701801-List: Additional L angles in fuselage.
>
><lisa.richards@ns.sympatico.ca>
>
>I have seen where people have done the diagonal additional L bracing to cut
>down on oil canning. I am at that stage and have been wondering what to do.
>Some have gone with diagonals and some with complete X's between the Ls
>shown on the plans. Would not going straight across,parallel to the Ls,
>shown on the plans do the job. One could then tie them together with .025
>gussets as already shown on the plans. This would take less L angles, be
>lighter and cut the unsupported distance in half also. Any thoughts? Thanks
>
>--------
>CH 701
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=222628#222628
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Other Door Questions - Skyshop Products |
Let me get this straight.. You bought some doors from Skyshop and now Da
nny says he doesn't support ZAC anymore ? He sold the doors,, He took y
our money. He should support them . Period !
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- "txpilot" <djg7@comcast.net> wrote:
I'm working on installing a set of bubble doors purchased from Skyshop a
nd I have a few questions. I tried asking Skyshop, but they said they d
on't support ZAC anymore.
The doors were supplied with 70 A5 rivets, 30 A4 rivets, and 35 rivets I
've never seen before (in picture on left). They appear to be 1/8", but
I'm wondering if they're specifically made for riveting lexan. What th
e heck are these, and where do I use them?
Second issue: is there any good technique for riveting the lexan to the
door? I have a plexiglass bit and step unibit for drilling, but it see
ms bending the lexan in place on the top and bottom flange will almost c
ertainly crack it.
Third issue: someone on this forum mentioned problems with mounting the
gas strut on the rear door tube, saying the door flexes when pulled dow
n. Has anyone else had this issue? Anyone try mounting the gas strut o
n the forward tube and cabin frame?
Issue #4: related to a recent post of a door coming off in flight, I'm
thinking of another solution. I'm considering purchasing a couple Quick
Release pins from Aircraft Spruce ( http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catal
og/hapages/qkreleasepin.php ), drilling a 1/4" hole in the door latch an
d strike plate, and simply inserting the pin prior to flight. I think t
he pin should be able to come out quickly in the event of an emergency.
Any thoughts on problems with this solution?
Thanks for any help.
Dan Ginty
N787DG
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Wing Tank Question |
fuel outlet for the CZAW tanks is located in the same corner as the ZAC tanks that
is lower rear corner of the inboard tank side panel. Effectively it moved
rearward due to the longer tank.
Ralph
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Ralph - CH701 / 2200a
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