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1. 02:47 AM - Re: Clarification on 7C2-3 ( 701 ) (carl)
2. 08:14 AM - Need help & consuling on Rivet puller (stepinwolf)
3. 08:14 AM - Need help & consuling on Rivet puller (stepinwolf)
4. 08:34 AM - Re: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller (nyterminat@aol.com)
5. 08:39 AM - Re: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller (Randall J. Hebert)
6. 08:41 AM - Re: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller (Randall J. Hebert)
7. 08:43 AM - Re: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller (MacDonald Doug)
8. 08:47 AM - Re: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller (BokKat)
9. 08:52 AM - Re: Riveter (Zed Smith)
10. 09:04 AM - Re: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller (John Swartout)
11. 09:42 AM - CH 701 Materials list? (Clare Lutton)
12. 09:48 AM - Re: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller (LarryMcFarland)
13. 09:51 AM - Re: Re: Riveter (MacDonald Doug)
14. 09:54 AM - Did I miss something? (Keystone Engineering LLC)
15. 09:54 AM - Re: CH 701 Materials list? (MacDonald Doug)
16. 10:43 AM - Re: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller (stepinwolf)
17. 10:47 AM - Re: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller (Terry Phillips)
18. 11:03 AM - Re: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller (Davcoberly@wmconnect.com)
19. 11:55 AM - Re: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller (Gary Gower)
20. 12:23 PM - Re: CH 701 Materials list? (Keith Ashcraft)
21. 12:38 PM - Re: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller (BokKat)
22. 02:41 PM - Re: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller (BokKat)
23. 05:24 PM - Re: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller (Curt Thompson)
24. 05:26 PM - Re: CH 701 Materials list? (Curt Thompson)
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| Subject: | Re: Clarification on 7C2-3 ( 701 ) |
John
It's been a while but I don't believe there should be any play in the
controls. In this case it would introduce slop in the elevator control.
I vote for a tight fit.
Carl
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From: John Marzulli
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 8:16 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Clarification on 7C2-3 ( 701 )
Before I cut some nicely welded metal, I was wondering if someone can
provide a little clarification ( aka, comfort ) with the aileron horn,
7C2-3.
Am I correct that with the torque tube collar firm against its
bearing, that the torque tube needs to be trimmed so that the aileron
horn when slipped over the torque tube is snug against the rear torque
tube bearing, 7F6-1.
Doing this would not let me have 10mm of clearence. Does it not matter
if there is forward wiggle with the torque tube bearing?
Thanks,
John Marzulli
http://www.GenevieveMarzulli.org/
http://marzulli.smugmug.com/
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
http://www.JohnMarzulli.net/
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| Subject: | Need help & consuling on Rivet puller |
When I first started looking for a rivet puller, I shied away from the gun that
was being offered by Zenith because I had heard from builders on this List, that
there was many instances of cracking in the casings. As a replacement I decided
to go with a gun that was being offered by ACS ( see pic below ) however
it is starting to look like this was not my best decision.
I had difficulty with the setup instructions ( Chinese instructions ) and for the
life of me I still have not been able to get the oil level correct. The instructions
state that the unit should be filled with oil up to the top of the
frame, without showing where exactly what they consider as being the top or the
exact filling level is.
My second mistake was purchasing two guns so as not to have to continually swap
out the two tips. As it stands, when I do get one of the @#$%&* things to work,
it won't pull more then a dozen or so rivets, before me being obliged to open
up the air cylinder and start fidgeting with the oil level again.
I am basically a neat person, and I can't live with the constant spewing of oil
out the front, or the back stem catcher, and ending up on my freshly made parts,
or my work table for that matter. I am now in the process of trying to look
for a replacement, but all the suppliers seem to have the same low cost gun.
The list of resellers I checked with is rather extensive and includes, but
is not limited to, The Yard, ATS, Browns, Cleavland, US Tools, all registered
trademarks etc, and a few more I will not mention.
My question to the List is this, is the rivet gun being sold by all of these suppliers
the same gun. I have looked as best as I can, and every last one is showing
what looks to be the exact same unit on their web-page, with the only difference
being the color or the pricing. The cases are identical, the same tips,
the same nose pieces, hell they even the same triggering mechanism, and the
only difference so far is prices, that are anywhere between 40$, to a 140$.
For those of you who have used any of the above guns, are you aware of any difference
in quality of these guns, or is it a " find the peanut under the shell
" type of situation for me to get a proper replacement that will work,
Thank's to all of you who will take the time to respond to my concerns.
Bob, the 701 & 750 Scratch
Three Rivers , Quebec.
7-7143 & 7-75???
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| Subject: | Need help & consuling on Rivet puller |
When I first started looking for a rivet puller, I shied away from the gun that
was being offered by Zenith because I had heard from builders on this List, that
there was many instances of cracking in the casings. As a replacement I decided
to go with a gun that was being offered by ACS ( see pic below ) however
it is starting to look like this was not my best decision.
I had difficulty with the setup instructions ( Chinese instructions ) and for the
life of me I still have not been able to get the oil level correct. The instructions
state that the unit should be filled with oil up to the top of the
frame, without showing where exactly what they consider as being the top or the
exact filling level is.
My second mistake was purchasing two guns so as not to have to continually swap
out the two tips. As it stands, when I do get one of the @#$%&* things to work,
it won't pull more then a dozen or so rivets, before me being obliged to open
up the air cylinder and start fidgeting with the oil level again.
I am basically a neat person, and I can't live with the constant spewing of oil
out the front, or the back stem catcher, and ending up on my freshly made parts,
or my work table for that matter. I am now in the process of trying to look
for a replacement, but all the suppliers seem to have the same low cost gun.
The list of resellers I checked with is rather extensive and includes, but
is not limited to, The Yard, ATS, Browns, Cleavland, US Tools, all registered
trademarks etc, and a few more I will not mention.
My question to the List is this, is the rivet gun being sold by all of these suppliers
the same gun. I have looked as best as I can, and every last one is showing
what looks to be the exact same unit on their web-page, with the only difference
being the color or the pricing. The cases are identical, the same tips,
the same nose pieces, hell they even the same triggering mechanism, and the
only difference so far is prices, that are anywhere between 40$, to a 140$.
For those of you who have used any of the above guns, are you aware of any difference
in quality of these guns, or is it a " find the peanut under the shell
" type of situation for me to get a proper replacement that will work,
Thank's to all of you who will take the time to respond to my concerns.
Bob, the 701 & 750 Scratch
Three Rivers , Quebec.
7-7143 & 7-75???
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| Subject: | Re: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller |
Robert,
I buit my 701 with a Harbor Freight pneumatic gun and had no problem throughout
the build and it still works like new. I usually do not buy and use " Chinese"
tools but enough guys on the list couldn't say enough good things about them.
I would reccomend it.
Bob Spudis
N701ZX
When I first started looking for a rivet puller, I shied away from the gun that
was being offered by Zenith because I had heard from builders on this List, that
there was many instances of cracking in the casings. As a replacement I decided
to go with a gun that was being offered by ACS ( see pic below ) however it is
starting to look like this was not my best decision
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| Subject: | Need help & consuling on Rivet puller |
Bob
I use 4 or 5 drops of oil in mine each new DAY I use it. If it is the
same day i.e. morning then evening, I don't add oil.
I have Zenith's but all of my pneumatic tools are treated the same way
Even with the small amount I use, my hand does get a little oily, but
the puller works fine.
I had one event where it would pull once then hang up half way
I added a drop around the side of the chuck and no more problems.
As long as it gets me through this project I am satisfied. I am not
looking for a long term tool here.
Randall J Hebert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
stepinwolf
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:13 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller
<robert.pelland@cgocable.ca>
When I first started looking for a rivet puller, I shied away from the
gun that was being offered by Zenith because I had heard from builders
on this List, that there was many instances of cracking in the casings.
As a replacement I decided to go with a gun that was being offered by
ACS ( see pic below ) however it is starting to look like this was not
my best decision.
I had difficulty with the setup instructions ( Chinese instructions )
and for the life of me I still have not been able to get the oil level
correct. The instructions state that the unit should be filled with oil
up to the top of the frame, without showing where exactly what they
consider as being the top or the exact filling level is.
My second mistake was purchasing two guns so as not to have to
continually swap out the two tips. As it stands, when I do get one of
the @#$%&* things to work, it won't pull more then a dozen or so rivets,
before me being obliged to open up the air cylinder and start fidgeting
with the oil level again.
I am basically a neat person, and I can't live with the constant spewing
of oil out the front, or the back stem catcher, and ending up on my
freshly made parts, or my work table for that matter. I am now in the
process of trying to look for a replacement, but all the suppliers seem
to have the same low cost gun. The list of resellers I checked with is
rather extensive and includes, but is not limited to, The Yard, ATS,
Browns, Cleavland, US Tools, all registered trademarks etc, and a few
more I will not mention.
My question to the List is this, is the rivet gun being sold by all of
these suppliers the same gun. I have looked as best as I can, and every
last one is showing what looks to be the exact same unit on their
web-page, with the only difference being the color or the pricing. The
cases are identical, the same tips, the same nose pieces, hell they even
the same triggering mechanism, and the only difference so far is prices,
that are anywhere between 40$, to a 140$.
For those of you who have used any of the above guns, are you aware of
any difference in quality of these guns, or is it a " find the peanut
under the shell " type of situation for me to get a proper replacement
that will work,
Thank's to all of you who will take the time to respond to my concerns.
Bob, the 701 & 750 Scratch
Three Rivers , Quebec.
7-7143 & 7-75???
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| Subject: | Need help & consuling on Rivet puller |
ALSO, Bob, You may know this but if you don't, Be sure you use pneumatic
tool oil.
Randall J Hebert
Randall J Hebert & Associates, Inc
Consulting Engineers
Ph 337-261-1976 Fx 337-261-1977
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From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
stepinwolf
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:13 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller
<robert.pelland@cgocable.ca>
When I first started looking for a rivet puller, I shied away from the
gun that was being offered by Zenith because I had heard from builders
on this List, that there was many instances of cracking in the casings.
As a replacement I decided to go with a gun that was being offered by
ACS ( see pic below ) however it is starting to look like this was not
my best decision.
I had difficulty with the setup instructions ( Chinese instructions )
and for the life of me I still have not been able to get the oil level
correct. The instructions state that the unit should be filled with oil
up to the top of the frame, without showing where exactly what they
consider as being the top or the exact filling level is.
My second mistake was purchasing two guns so as not to have to
continually swap out the two tips. As it stands, when I do get one of
the @#$%&* things to work, it won't pull more then a dozen or so rivets,
before me being obliged to open up the air cylinder and start fidgeting
with the oil level again.
I am basically a neat person, and I can't live with the constant spewing
of oil out the front, or the back stem catcher, and ending up on my
freshly made parts, or my work table for that matter. I am now in the
process of trying to look for a replacement, but all the suppliers seem
to have the same low cost gun. The list of resellers I checked with is
rather extensive and includes, but is not limited to, The Yard, ATS,
Browns, Cleavland, US Tools, all registered trademarks etc, and a few
more I will not mention.
My question to the List is this, is the rivet gun being sold by all of
these suppliers the same gun. I have looked as best as I can, and every
last one is showing what looks to be the exact same unit on their
web-page, with the only difference being the color or the pricing. The
cases are identical, the same tips, the same nose pieces, hell they even
the same triggering mechanism, and the only difference so far is prices,
that are anywhere between 40$, to a 140$.
For those of you who have used any of the above guns, are you aware of
any difference in quality of these guns, or is it a " find the peanut
under the shell " type of situation for me to get a proper replacement
that will work,
Thank's to all of you who will take the time to respond to my concerns.
Bob, the 701 & 750 Scratch
Three Rivers , Quebec.
7-7143 & 7-75???
--------
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| Subject: | Re: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller |
Bob, I purchased my rivet puller at Oshkosh a few years ago but cannot remember
which retailer I bought it from. The brand name is Taylor. I have been completely
satisfied with its function. No broken cases, no massive rebound denting
the skin or any of the other common complaints. I have never had to mess with
oil either. Took it out of the box, modified the nose piece, and started
pulling rivets. That was 85% of a 701 project ago and it is still working like
new. I think I spent about $80-$90.00 on it and that would be about four years
ago.
Hope this is of some help
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 scratch Builder
NW Ontario, Canada
>
> I am basically a neat person, and I can't live with the
> constant spewing of oil out the front, or the back stem
> catcher, and ending up on my freshly made parts, or my work
> table for that matter. I am now in the process of trying to
> look for a replacement, but all the suppliers seem to have
> the same low cost gun. The list of resellers I checked with
> is rather extensive and includes, but is not limited to, The
> Yard, ATS, Browns, Cleavland, US Tools, all registered
> trademarks etc, and a few more I will not mention.
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| Subject: | Re: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller |
I just used that green one from Zenith, with their machined tip on it, of
course. Got it second hand when I started the 701, it having built a 601
previously. I did the 701 and several other projects without ever missing a
beat. In fact, I'd forget to squirt oil in it sometimes for two or three
months at a time even with hard use, and even left it out in the rain a few
times and drove over it with my pickup once! Dropped it on the concrete
countless times. So I've used it and abused it. Like the old Timex
commercial "It takes a licking and keeps on kickin!"
----- Original Message -----
From: "stepinwolf" <robert.pelland@cgocable.ca>
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:13 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller
> <robert.pelland@cgocable.ca>
>
> When I first started looking for a rivet puller, I shied away from the gun
> that was being offered by Zenith because I had heard from builders on this
> List, that there was many instances of cracking in the casings. As a
> replacement I decided to go with a gun that was being offered by ACS ( see
> pic below ) however it is starting to look like this was not my best
> decision.
>
> I had difficulty with the setup instructions ( Chinese instructions ) and
> for the life of me I still have not been able to get the oil level
> correct. The instructions state that the unit should be filled with oil
> up to the top of the frame, without showing where exactly what they
> consider as being the top or the exact filling level is.
>
> My second mistake was purchasing two guns so as not to have to continually
> swap out the two tips. As it stands, when I do get one of the @#$%&*
> things to work, it won't pull more then a dozen or so rivets, before me
> being obliged to open up the air cylinder and start fidgeting with the oil
> level again.
>
> I am basically a neat person, and I can't live with the constant spewing
> of oil out the front, or the back stem catcher, and ending up on my
> freshly made parts, or my work table for that matter. I am now in the
> process of trying to look for a replacement, but all the suppliers seem to
> have the same low cost gun. The list of resellers I checked with is
> rather extensive and includes, but is not limited to, The Yard, ATS,
> Browns, Cleavland, US Tools, all registered trademarks etc, and a few more
> I will not mention.
>
> My question to the List is this, is the rivet gun being sold by all of
> these suppliers the same gun. I have looked as best as I can, and every
> last one is showing what looks to be the exact same unit on their
> web-page, with the only difference being the color or the pricing. The
> cases are identical, the same tips, the same nose pieces, hell they even
> the same triggering mechanism, and the only difference so far is prices,
> that are anywhere between 40$, to a 140$.
>
> For those of you who have used any of the above guns, are you aware of any
> difference in quality of these guns, or is it a " find the peanut under
> the shell " type of situation for me to get a proper replacement that will
> work,
>
> Thank's to all of you who will take the time to respond to my concerns.
> Bob, the 701 & 750 Scratch
> Three Rivers , Quebec.
> 7-7143 & 7-75???
>
> --------
> Live each day, as if it was your last
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=224227#224227
>
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do not archive
Okay, here goes!
Like many, I bought the ZAC modified import riveter. Poor choice.
First of all, it is a piece of dog doo-doo, but that's just a personal opinion.
I'vv conceed that it beats pulling by hand, but not by much!
After several dings and other unfortunate mishaps, I looked in the Grainger catalog.
Emhart Technologies, folks who make Pop Rivets, make an excellent riveter.
Their model PRG510A-PLUS is a bit pricey but is really easy to use. It has plenty
of "feel" to the trigger and you can adjust your air supply to produce perfect
results.
This is not to imply that the ZAC units can't do good work, but considering the
7000 or so rivets involved in the project, I'd sure look at purchasing a quality
riveter.
Like any tool, cheap stuff is always a mistake.
After you see the prices for 'aircraft-quality production riveters' elsewhere,
this unit is a bargain.
I purchased a "bur" and modified the nosepiece as ZAC did.
Also, you can buy various sizes of the nosepiece....do consider this.
A six-foot very flexible 'whip' hose and possibly a hose swivel on the unit makes
life good.
Haven't looked today, but Emhart web site probably has details.
End result is that you will have a really good riveter.
One hint: If you already have the ZAC unit, you can press some modeling clay into
the modified nosepiece to use as a guide to aid in the selection of a bur
at your local machine supply.
If you can get Roger at ZAC on the phone he might tell you the bur 'trade number'
they use.
Grainger also sells carbide burs.....they ain't cheap.
Regards, and hope this helps....without starting a fire about the high-quality
imports.
Zed
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| Subject: | Re: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller |
Bob, my $36.99 Central Pneumatic rivet puller from Harbor Freight (Item #
93458-8JSH) worked fine right out of the box and has been quite trouble-free
for 11 years and thousands of rivets (only a few dozen rivets left to pull
on my 801). I did wear out the original pair of jaws about half way thru
the project, and bought replacements from Harbor Freight. Also, since most
of the rivets were dipped in epoxy primer, from time to time the jaw
teeth would get gummed up with paint, and I would have to clean them up with
a (non-toxic) paint stripper and a wire brush. After about 8 years I was
frequently having to pull the trigger twice for A5 rivets. I adjusted the
oil for the first time, and got some improvement, but it may be that it's
time to buy a new one. But, I won't, because I'm almost done. I think I
got good value with that puller.
John
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 11:13 AM, stepinwolf <robert.pelland@cgocable.ca>wrote:
> robert.pelland@cgocable.ca>
>
> When I first started looking for a rivet puller, I shied away from the gun
> that was being offered by Zenith because I had heard from builders on this
> List, that there was many instances of cracking in the casings. As a
> replacement I decided to go with a gun that was being offered by ACS ( see
> pic below ) however it is starting to look like this was not my best
> decision.
>
> I had difficulty with the setup instructions ( Chinese instructions ) and
> for the life of me I still have not been able to get the oil level correct.
> The instructions state that the unit should be filled with oil up to the
> top of the frame, without showing where exactly what they consider as being
> the top or the exact filling level is.
>
> My second mistake was purchasing two guns so as not to have to continually
> swap out the two tips. As it stands, when I do get one of the @#$%&* things
> to work, it won't pull more then a dozen or so rivets, before me being
> obliged to open up the air cylinder and start fidgeting with the oil level
> again.
>
> I am basically a neat person, and I can't live with the constant spewing of
> oil out the front, or the back stem catcher, and ending up on my freshly
> made parts, or my work table for that matter. I am now in the process of
> trying to look for a replacement, but all the suppliers seem to have the
> same low cost gun. The list of resellers I checked with is rather extensive
> and includes, but is not limited to, The Yard, ATS, Browns, Cleavland, US
> Tools, all registered trademarks etc, and a few more I will not mention.
>
> My question to the List is this, is the rivet gun being sold by all of
> these suppliers the same gun. I have looked as best as I can, and every
> last one is showing what looks to be the exact same unit on their web-page,
> with the only difference being the color or the pricing. The cases are
> identical, the same tips, the same nose pieces, hell they even the same
> triggering mechanism, and the only difference so far is prices, that are
> anywhere between 40$, to a 140$.
>
> For those of you who have used any of the above guns, are you aware of any
> difference in quality of these guns, or is it a " find the peanut under the
> shell " type of situation for me to get a proper replacement that will work,
>
> Thank's to all of you who will take the time to respond to my concerns.
> Bob, the 701 & 750 Scratch
> Three Rivers , Quebec.
> 7-7143 & 7-75???
>
> --------
> Live each day, as if it was your last
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I'm seriously considering scratch building a 701 from plans.
Does anyone have a list of materials they'd be willing to share? If
not, I'll start my own, as the plans advise. Thanks
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Hi Bob,
I only had to pull a couple dozen rivets with one of those air powered
things to realize the benefit of pulling the things by hand.
A5s are harder, but still, the hand pulled rivets turn out consistently
better. You'll still end up wearing out at least two guns
over the life of a full build. I found the Stanley product with the
swivel head to be a "best product" for my 601HDS plans built.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
stepinwolf wrote:
>
> When I first started looking for a rivet puller, I shied away from the gun that
was being offered by Zenith because I had heard from builders on this List,
that there was many instances of cracking in the casings. As a replacement I
decided to go with a gun that was being offered by ACS ( see pic below ) however
it is starting to look like this was not my best decision.
>
> For those of you who have used any of the above guns, are you aware of any difference
in quality of these guns, or is it a " find the peanut under the shell
" type of situation for me to get a proper replacement that will work,
>
> Thank's to all of you who will take the time to respond to my concerns.
> Bob, the 701 & 750 Scratch
> Three Rivers , Quebec.
> 7-7143 & 7-75???
>
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Zed and all, I seem to remember that someplace on the Zenith website or in the
701 manual they spec out the exact burr needed to modify the nosepiece and the
supplier to order it from. I forget the exact name of the supplier but I think
it was Travis Tools or something like that. Problem is, they have a $25.00
minimum order and the burr costs about $20.00. I ordered two just to make the
order.
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch Builder
NW Ontario, Canada
Do Not Archive
> supply.
> If you can get Roger at ZAC on the phone he might tell you
> the bur 'trade number' they use.
> Grainger also sells carbide burs.....they ain't cheap.
>
> Regards, and hope this helps....without starting a fire
> about the high-quality imports.
>
> Zed
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I called Zenithair and requested a part for my 801 and was told to call
Zenair in Canada 705-536-2871. It seems all the parts for the 801 moved
from Mexico MO to Midland, Ontario. With the tough economic times and the
not really brilliant success of the 801, I can understand the drivers of the
change. I hope we still get service like we are use to.
Bill Wilcox
N801BW
405 hrs
Performing winter maintenance
Condition inspection
VGs on rudder
New bungee
New spacer for better prop clearance
New fork?
New cowl attach system
Fit new prop spinner
Cowl flaps?
GPS installed in panel
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| Subject: | Re: CH 701 Materials list? |
There is a partial list on www.ch701.com
Also, I think there is one listed in the updates section of the Zenith website.
I re-call looking at the Zenith materials list in the last week or so.
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch Builder
NW Ontario, Canada
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--- On Mon, 1/12/09, Clare Lutton <wlutton@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Clare Lutton <wlutton@gmail.com>
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: CH 701 Materials list?
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 11:41 AM
> <wlutton@gmail.com>
>
> I'm seriously considering scratch building a 701 from
> plans.
> Does anyone have a list of materials they'd be willing
> to share? If
> not, I'll start my own, as the plans advise. Thanks
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith701801-List
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| Subject: | Re: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller |
Hi Fellows, I had not expected so much feedback, nor so soon, but I am glad to
hear of all your experiences.
I must first apologize for mis-speaking earlier when I stated that the gun was
purchased from ACS. I went through all my invoices, and found the Harbor Freight
invoice ID'ing the gun. It is the Central Pneumatic model # 93458, and the
exact same model however that ACS is offering.
As for the oil management, I have a very complete, ( and very expensive I must
ad ) set of more then a half dozen " Chicago Pacific ) air tools, and like most
of you responders, and few drops in the air intake, is more then enough to
keep them in excellent shape.
However I had never used any rivet gun before, and followed the instructions that
were given in the manual to the best of my knowledge, and hence the filling
of the tool. Check the pic of the instructions in the user manual below.
This evening I will pour out any remaining oil, and give both of them another try.
Bob the 701 & 750 Scratch
Terry, when I fill the piston stem opening to the top, no sooner that I re-insert
the diaphragm into the gun, the oil comes squirting out the air exhaust hole
in the front ( check rag ) of the canister or air cylinder.., and also out the
rear into the stem holder.
I will also give this another try.
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| Subject: | Re: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller |
Bob
I have the cheap HF riveter, and, for me, the instructions were not very
helpful. When I got it, I followed the instructions (at least I thought I
followed the instructions) to prime the riveter. But I did not understand
then what they meant by the top of the frame, and what I actually did was
lose the oil from the small diameter central cylinder that goes up into the
handle of the riveter, and add oil to the large diameter pneumatic cylinder.
I used the gun for at least a year like that, usually needing 2 to 4
trigger pulls to set a rivet (more for the A5's) Finally I disassembled the
thing and realized how it was designed to work. The oil in the small
central cylinder is the hydraulic fluid for the hydraulic part of the
"pneumatic-hydraulic" tool. That small cylinder must be filled with oil to
its top (assuming you are holding the riveter upside down). The large
(pneumatic) cylinder needs only a few drops of oil each day, much like you
must put a small amount of oil inside the cylinder of a bicycle tire pump
to seal the piston. Now, properly primed with oil, the riveter work fine.
One pull, one rivet set (and a bit of oil sprayed). I usually hold a
shop-grade paper towel when riveting to catch most of the oil. It's a good
tool. But the instructions were not very helpful.
If the oil spray is a problem for you, then you might be happier with some
other tool. And, yes, the rivet mandrel catcher only works well for me when
the riveter is used in the (rare) upright orientation. But the riveter
works well when it is primed correctly. And it will pull the AS5 rivets
without a problem.
The only other riveter I have used is a hand tool, so I cannot comment on
any other pneumatic riveters.
Terry
At 08:13 AM 1/12/2009 -0800, stepinwolf wrote:
>When I first started looking for a rivet puller, I shied away from the gun
>that was being offered by Zenith because I had heard from builders on this
>List, that there was many instances of cracking in the casings. As a
>replacement I decided to go with a gun that was being offered by ACS ( see
>pic below ) however it is starting to look like this was not my best decision.
>
>I had difficulty with the setup instructions ( Chinese instructions ) and
>for the life of me I still have not been able to get the oil level
>correct. The instructions state that the unit should be filled with oil
>up to the top of the frame, without showing where exactly what they
>consider as being the top or the exact filling level is.
>
>My second mistake was purchasing two guns so as not to have to continually
>swap out the two tips. As it stands, when I do get one of the @#$%&*
>things to work, it won't pull more then a dozen or so rivets, before me
>being obliged to open up the air cylinder and start fidgeting with the oil
>level again.
>
>I am basically a neat person, and I can't live with the constant spewing
>of oil out the front, or the back stem catcher, and ending up on my
>freshly made parts, or my work table for that matter. I am now in the
>process of trying to look for a replacement, but all the suppliers seem to
>have the same low cost gun. The list of resellers I checked with is
>rather extensive and includes, but is not limited to, The Yard, ATS,
>Browns, Cleavland, US Tools, all registered trademarks etc, and a few more
>I will not mention.
>
>My question to the List is this, is the rivet gun being sold by all of
>these suppliers the same gun. I have looked as best as I can, and every
>last one is showing what looks to be the exact same unit on their
>web-page, with the only difference being the color or the pricing. The
>cases are identical, the same tips, the same nose pieces, hell they even
>the same triggering mechanism, and the only difference so far is prices,
>that are anywhere between 40$, to a 140$.
>
>For those of you who have used any of the above guns, are you aware of any
>difference in quality of these guns, or is it a " find the peanut under
>the shell " type of situation for me to get a proper replacement that will
>work,
>
>Thank's to all of you who will take the time to respond to my concerns.
>Bob, the 701 & 750 Scratch
>Three Rivers , Quebec.
Terry Phillips ZBAGer
ttp44~at~rkymtn.net
Corvallis MT
601XL/Jab 3300 s .. l .. o .. o .. w build kit - Tail, flaps, & ailerons
are done; working on the wings
http://www.mykitlog.com/N47TP/
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| Subject: | Re: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller |
I'm like Larry I had 3 air powered rivet guns and used the hand rivet guns
for 95% of the rivets because you can control how they come out better. Just my
.02 worth.
David Coberly
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| Subject: | Need help & consuling on Rivet puller |
Hello All,
-
If anyone is using (or going to use) oil inthe riveter,- use red automati
c transmission fluid,- if tou use motor oil, the riveter has rubber parts
and o rings inside that will be damaged,- them you will have to buy a ne
w one...-- We use HF riveters daily for more than 10 years in our facto
ry.--
The HF riveter has some oil inside, only when disasemble... Send me direct
mail to explain-how to assemble...
-
No other mantaince, other than cleaning the puller jaws needed,--The dr
op of-red oil is not mandatory just a couple of drops once or twice ayear
.
-
The-]pneumatic tools that need oil are the ones that spin-(air drills,
etc) -
Hope this helps.
-
Saludos
Gary Gower
--- On Mon, 1/12/09, Randall J. Hebert <randy@rjhebertassoc.com> wrote:
From: Randall J. Hebert <randy@rjhebertassoc.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller
<randy@rjhebertassoc.com>
Bob
I use 4 or 5 drops of oil in mine each new DAY I use it. If it is the
same day i.e. morning then evening, I don't add oil.
I have Zenith's but all of my pneumatic tools are treated the same way
Even with the small amount I use, my hand does get a little oily, but
the puller works fine.
I had one event where it would pull once then hang up half way
I added a drop around the side of the chuck and no more problems.
As long as it gets me through this project I am satisfied. I am not
looking for a long term tool here.
Randall J Hebert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
stepinwolf
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:13 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller
<robert.pelland@cgocable.ca>
When I first started looking for a rivet puller, I shied away from the
gun that was being offered by Zenith because I had heard from builders
on this List, that there was many instances of cracking in the casings.
As a replacement I decided to go with a gun that was being offered by
ACS ( see pic below ) however it is starting to look like this was not
my best decision.
I had difficulty with the setup instructions ( Chinese instructions )
and for the life of me I still have not been able to get the oil level
correct. The instructions state that the unit should be filled with oil
up to the top of the frame, without showing where exactly what they
consider as being the top or the exact filling level is.
My second mistake was purchasing two guns so as not to have to
continually swap out the two tips. As it stands, when I do get one of
the @#$%&* things to work, it won't pull more then a dozen or so
rivets,
before me being obliged to open up the air cylinder and start fidgeting
with the oil level again.
I am basically a neat person, and I can't live with the constant spewing
of oil out the front, or the back stem catcher, and ending up on my
freshly made parts, or my work table for that matter. I am now in the
process of trying to look for a replacement, but all the suppliers seem
to have the same low cost gun. The list of resellers I checked with is
rather extensive and includes, but is not limited to, The Yard, ATS,
Browns, Cleavland, US Tools, all registered trademarks etc, and a few
more I will not mention.
My question to the List is this, is the rivet gun being sold by all of
these suppliers the same gun. I have looked as best as I can, and every
last one is showing what looks to be the exact same unit on their
web-page, with the only difference being the color or the pricing. The
cases are identical, the same tips, the same nose pieces, hell they even
the same triggering mechanism, and the only difference so far is prices,
that are anywhere between 40$, to a 140$.
For those of you who have used any of the above guns, are you aware of
any difference in quality of these guns, or is it a " find the peanut
under the shell " type of situation for me to get a proper replacement
that will work,
Thank's to all of you who will take the time to respond to my concerns.
Bob, the 701 & 750 Scratch
Three Rivers , Quebec.
7-7143 & 7-75???
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| Subject: | Re: CH 701 Materials list? |
Clare,
Attached is a PDF copy that I had downloaded from the Zenith site several years
ago.
You will need to add 1 sheet to the total count of 0.025" though.
Keith
N 38.9940
W 105.1305
Alt. 9,100'
CH701 -- scratch
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From: Clare Lutton <wlutton@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:41:48 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: CH 701 Materials list?
I'm seriously considering scratch building a 701 from plans.
Does anyone have a list of materials they'd be willing to share? If
not, I'll start my own, as the plans advise. Thanks
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| Subject: | Re: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller |
All the air tools I have I just put a drop or two of oil in the intake
whenever I think of it, which is not too often. So far I've never had
any air tool fail. Some of your pullers sound like a different kind
than the green one I have, which I was told saw supplied by ZAC. It's
out in the hangar and there's 1/3 mile of 3 foot deep snow and it's -47F
windchill out there right now, so I don't feel like snaping on snowshoes
to make the trek! Hah!
I also have a couple of different hand pullers for awkward places.
Wish it would warm up! The last day I test flew my CH-701 at 31 hours,
it was +60F, and the next day it blizzarded and tem drop to below zero
where it has hovered ever since. And the record snows.....Wish I was in
Mexico like Gary!
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Gower
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 1:55 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller
Hello All,
If anyone is using (or going to use) oil inthe riveter, use red
automatic transmission fluid, if tou use motor oil, the riveter has
rubber parts and o rings inside that will be damaged, them you will
have to buy a new one... We use HF riveters daily for more than 10
years in our factory.
The HF riveter has some oil inside, only when disasemble... Send
me direct mail to explain how to assemble...
No other mantaince, other than cleaning the puller jaws needed,
The drop of red oil is not mandatory just a couple of drops once or
twice ayear.
The ]pneumatic tools that need oil are the ones that spin (air
drills, etc)
Hope this helps.
Saludos
Gary Gower
--- On Mon, 1/12/09, Randall J. Hebert <randy@rjhebertassoc.com>
wrote:
From: Randall J. Hebert <randy@rjhebertassoc.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Need help & consuling on Rivet
puller
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 11:36 AM
<randy@rjhebertassoc.com>
Bob
I use 4 or 5 drops of oil in mine each new DAY I use it. If it is the
same day i.e. morning then evening, I don't add oil.
I have Zenith's but all of my pneumatic tools are treated the same way
Even with the small amount I use, my hand does get a little oily, but
the puller works fine.
I had one event where it would pull once then hang up half way
I added a drop around the side of the chuck and no more problems.
As long as it gets me through this project I am satisfied. I am not
looking for a long term tool here.
Randall J Hebert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
stepinwolf
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:13 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller
<robert.pelland@cgocable.ca>
When I first started looking for a rivet puller, I shied away from the
gun that was being offered by Zenith because I had heard from builders
on this List, that there was many instances of cracking in the casings.
As a replacement I decided to go with a gun that was being offered by
ACS ( see pic below ) however it is starting to look like this was not
my best decision.
I had difficulty with the setup instructions ( Chinese instructions )
and for the life of me I still have not been able to get the oil level
correct. The instructions state that the unit should be filled with oil
up to the top of the frame, without showing where exactly what they
consider as being the top or the exact filling level is.
My second mistake was purchasing two guns so as not to have to
continually swap out the two tips. As it stands, when I do get one of
the @#$%&* things to work, it won't pull more then a dozen or so
rivets,
before me being obliged to open up the air cylinder and start fidgeting
with the oil level again.
I am basically a neat person, and I can't live with the constant spewing
of oil out the front, or the back stem catcher, and ending up on my
freshly made parts, or my work table for that matter. I am now in the
process of trying to look for a replacement, but all the suppliers seem
to have the same low cost gun. The list of resellers I checked with is
rather extensive and includes, but is not limited to, The Yard, ATS,
Browns, Cleavland, US Tools, all registered trademarks etc, and a few
more I will not mention.
My question to the List is this, is the rivet gun being sold by all of
these suppliers the same gun. I have looked as best as I can, and every
last one is showing what looks to be the exact same unit on their
web-page, with the only difference being the color or the pricing. The
cases are identical, the same tips, the same nose pieces, hell they even
the same triggering mechanism, and the only difference so far is prices,
that are anywhere between 40$, to a 140$.
For those of you who have used any of the above guns, are you aware of
any difference in quality of these guns, or is it a " find the peanut
under the shell " type of situation for me to get a proper replacement
that will work,
Thank's to all of you who will take the time to respond to my concerns.
Bob, the 701 & 750 Scratch
Three Rivers , Quebec.
7-7143 & 7-75???
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| Subject: | Re: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller |
The pneumatic rivet gun I have is the P-RIV sold by Zenith. It must be
different from the air/hydraulic ones from Harbor Freight and others.
As I bought it used I didn't have instructions for it, so just plugged
it into the air line and went with it. Worked fine despite my abuse,
Thinking about it, I don't think I put a squirt of pneumatic tool air in
it more than a half dozen times in a couple years of building plus some
other projects. Only took off the head to change the tip the first
time. Jaws seem fine now.I must have lucked out as I have maybe 10 - 12
thousand rivets on it by now myself, not counting the previous owners
601.
I must have got pretty lucky with mine as others seem to not like
them and have had poor service with them.
Talking about riveting, if no one has seen it, there is a neat video on
the EAA website about pulling rivets in hard to get at places. Some
great hints
Bob N701ND
----- Original Message -----
From: John Swartout
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller
Bob, my $36.99 Central Pneumatic rivet puller from Harbor Freight
(Item # 93458-8JSH) worked fine right out of the box and has been quite
trouble-free for 11 years and thousands of rivets (only a few dozen
rivets left to pull on my 801). I did wear out the original pair of
jaws about half way thru the project, and bought replacements from
Harbor Freight. Also, since most of the rivets were dipped in epoxy
primer, from time to time the jaw teeth would get gummed up with paint,
and I would have to clean them up with a (non-toxic) paint stripper and
a wire brush. After about 8 years I was frequently having to pull the
trigger twice for A5 rivets. I adjusted the oil for the first time, and
got some improvement, but it may be that it's time to buy a new one.
But, I won't, because I'm almost done. I think I got good value with
that puller.
John
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 11:13 AM, stepinwolf
<robert.pelland@cgocable.ca> wrote:
<robert.pelland@cgocable.ca>
When I first started looking for a rivet puller, I shied away from
the gun that was being offered by Zenith because I had heard from
builders on this List, that there was many instances of cracking in the
casings. As a replacement I decided to go with a gun that was being
offered by ACS ( see pic below ) however it is starting to look like
this was not my best decision.
I had difficulty with the setup instructions ( Chinese instructions
) and for the life of me I still have not been able to get the oil level
correct. The instructions state that the unit should be filled with oil
up to the top of the frame, without showing where exactly what they
consider as being the top or the exact filling level is.
My second mistake was purchasing two guns so as not to have to
continually swap out the two tips. As it stands, when I do get one of
the @#$%&* things to work, it won't pull more then a dozen or so rivets,
before me being obliged to open up the air cylinder and start fidgeting
with the oil level again.
I am basically a neat person, and I can't live with the constant
spewing of oil out the front, or the back stem catcher, and ending up on
my freshly made parts, or my work table for that matter. I am now in
the process of trying to look for a replacement, but all the suppliers
seem to have the same low cost gun. The list of resellers I checked
with is rather extensive and includes, but is not limited to, The Yard,
ATS, Browns, Cleavland, US Tools, all registered trademarks etc, and a
few more I will not mention.
My question to the List is this, is the rivet gun being sold by all
of these suppliers the same gun. I have looked as best as I can, and
every last one is showing what looks to be the exact same unit on their
web-page, with the only difference being the color or the pricing. The
cases are identical, the same tips, the same nose pieces, hell they even
the same triggering mechanism, and the only difference so far is prices,
that are anywhere between 40$, to a 140$.
For those of you who have used any of the above guns, are you aware
of any difference in quality of these guns, or is it a " find the peanut
under the shell " type of situation for me to get a proper replacement
that will work,
Thank's to all of you who will take the time to respond to my
concerns.
Bob, the 701 & 750 Scratch
Three Rivers , Quebec.
7-7143 & 7-75???
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| Subject: | Need help & consuling on Rivet puller |
When I started building my CH701 about a year ago, I did some searching in
the archives and found a bunch of messages about the Harbor Freight (HF)
puller spewing oil. When I bought my HF gun I thought I followed the
directions. It spewed oil as well. My HF lasted a few hundred rivets
before I finally started having troubles. I eventually gave up and threw it
away in disgust. I did both wings with the hand puller (I did one wing in
one day).
John Marzulli brought his ZAC puller by so we could work on his slats. It
worked really well so I ordered a new one from ZAC. The one I got looked a
lot like the HF version and different than John's. The directions that came
with it were a lot clearer and it was evident that just a little oil should
be placed in the hole in the bottom of the cylinder. On the HF puller, I
was filling the bottom of the cylinder with a few ounces of oil incorrectly.
Although my new ZAC puller looks a lot like the HF version, the ZAC version
has a lot better construction. I've made my slats and flaperons with it so
far without problems.
I gouged out my original puller head by mounting a coned shaped stone with
an arbor in my drill press. Then I just ground away the tip until it looked
like the ones on the ZAC website. Now that I have the official ZAC modified
heads, I can see that I was pretty close.
You gat get oil for air tools at Home Depot.
Curt
Plans building CH701.
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| Subject: | CH 701 Materials list? |
Also at http://www.ch701.com/ are the cutting layouts for various parts. I
found that really useful to minimize waist.
Curt
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| Subject: | Rotax 912UL for sale |
*I am hoping to upgrade to the 912 ULS and am trying to sell my Rotax 912UL
(80hp). I am having it evaluated at a certified Rotax service center. I will
also have them verify that all SB have been performed that bring it up to
the 1500 TBO. This engine has 784 hours on it; therefore assuming it checks
out it's about "half-life". Current new price is $16,500. I am asking $6,500
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Les Evarts
Contact me at la.evarts@gmail.com or 406-270-3385
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax 912UL for sale |
Hi Les,
Ya know, there is an addon, that you can buy to convert the 912 to a 914.
http://www.bullyhawk.com/914kit.htm
This site has the turbo charger kit, that will upgrade the 912 to a 914. I don't
know how well it works, but it might be another option.
It seems like there is no price break. By the time a person buys a 912 and then
add $13K for the turbo, you are at the price of a new 914, without the headache.
Just my $0.02
Keith
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From: Les Evarts <lesecskt@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 7:03:35 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Rotax 912UL for sale
I am hoping to upgrade to the 912 ULS and am trying to sell my Rotax 912UL (80hp).
I am having it evaluated at a certified Rotax service center. I will also
have them verify that all SB have been performed that bring it up to the 1500
TBO. This engine has 784 hours on it; therefore assuming it checks out it's about
"half-life". Current new price is $16,500. I am asking $6,500 obo.
Les Evarts
Contact me at la.evarts@gmail.com or 406-270-3385
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| Subject: | Re: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller |
Doug, I'm glad to see you say you don't mess with oil either, neither do
I. Maybe at the most, two drops every month or two. That little deal
that says "oil daily" is for someone using it all day every day in a
dusty place. If you keep adding oil all it does it gum it up. If ya'll
feel that you must oil daily, use drops not squirts. I've built almost
two 701s on two or four drops of oil in one gun. I use a Campbell
Hausfield, may have spelled it wrong. When and if I have a problem with
an air tool, I run WD40 through it and then about two drops of oil, it
generally fixes it every time. And don't everybody start arguing with
me, it worked for me for years. Larry, N1345L
MacDonald Doug wrote:
>
> Bob, I purchased my rivet puller at Oshkosh a few years ago but cannot remember
which retailer I bought it from. The brand name is Taylor. I have been completely
satisfied with its function. No broken cases, no massive rebound denting
the skin or any of the other common complaints. I have never had to mess
with oil either. Took it out of the box, modified the nose piece, and started
pulling rivets. That was 85% of a 701 project ago and it is still working like
new. I think I spent about $80-$90.00 on it and that would be about four
years ago.
>
> Hope this is of some help
>
> Doug MacDonald
> CH-701 scratch Builder
> NW Ontario, Canada
>
>
>> I am basically a neat person, and I can't live with the
>> constant spewing of oil out the front, or the back stem
>> catcher, and ending up on my freshly made parts, or my work
>> table for that matter. I am now in the process of trying to
>> look for a replacement, but all the suppliers seem to have
>> the same low cost gun. The list of resellers I checked with
>> is rather extensive and includes, but is not limited to, The
>> Yard, ATS, Browns, Cleavland, US Tools, all registered
>> trademarks etc, and a few more I will not mention.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller |
I sure won't argue with you Larry. It works for me! I may have been lucky
but so far I've never had any problems with an air tool doing exactly as you
say. Maybe even oiling them less than you do.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry" <lrm@skyhawg.com>
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller
>
> Doug, I'm glad to see you say you don't mess with oil either, neither do
> I. Maybe at the most, two drops every month or two. That little deal
> that says "oil daily" is for someone using it all day every day in a dusty
> place. If you keep adding oil all it does it gum it up. If ya'll feel
> that you must oil daily, use drops not squirts. I've built almost two
> 701s on two or four drops of oil in one gun. I use a Campbell Hausfield,
> may have spelled it wrong. When and if I have a problem with an air tool,
> I run WD40 through it and then about two drops of oil, it generally fixes
> it every time. And don't everybody start arguing with me, it worked for
> me for years. Larry, N1345L
>
>
> MacDonald Doug wrote:
>> <dougsnash@yahoo.com>
>>
>> Bob, I purchased my rivet puller at Oshkosh a few years ago but cannot
>> remember which retailer I bought it from. The brand name is Taylor. I
>> have been completely satisfied with its function. No broken cases, no
>> massive rebound denting the skin or any of the other common complaints.
>> I have never had to mess with oil either. Took it out of the box,
>> modified the nose piece, and started pulling rivets. That was 85% of a
>> 701 project ago and it is still working like new. I think I spent about
>> $80-$90.00 on it and that would be about four years ago.
>>
>> Hope this is of some help
>>
>> Doug MacDonald
>> CH-701 scratch Builder
>> NW Ontario, Canada
>>
>>
>>> I am basically a neat person, and I can't live with the
>>> constant spewing of oil out the front, or the back stem
>>> catcher, and ending up on my freshly made parts, or my work
>>> table for that matter. I am now in the process of trying to
>>> look for a replacement, but all the suppliers seem to have
>>> the same low cost gun. The list of resellers I checked with
>>> is rather extensive and includes, but is not limited to, The
>>> Yard, ATS, Browns, Cleavland, US Tools, all registered
>>> trademarks etc, and a few more I will not mention.
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>
>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
>
>
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Hello BokKat,
-
Yes, this year-has been a very pleasant winter here,- I drive my motorc
ycle almost daily. Fly every week end.
Some years the winter season gets very cold...- some days around 0 Centig
rade in the early morning.
-
In fact Eleven years ago we got SNOW.-- (about 1 inch of snow).
-
This page has some memorablia of that strange ocasion:
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http://faroviejo.com.mx/2007/12/540/
-
The previous time with snow here-was 116 years ago previous to 1997...
-
Saludos
Gary Gower
Winter Flying in Chapala, Mexico.- "Look-Ma!- No skis"- - :-)-
:-)- :-)
Do not archive.
--- On Mon, 1/12/09, BokKat <bobkat@btinet.net> wrote:
From: BokKat <bobkat@btinet.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller
All the air tools I have I just put a drop or two of oil in the intake when
ever I think of it, which is not too often.- So far I've never had any ai
r tool fail.- Some of your pullers sound like a different kind than the g
reen one I have, which I was told saw supplied by ZAC.- It's out in the h
angar and there's 1/3 mile of 3 foot-deep snow and it's -47F windchill ou
t there right now, so I don't feel like snaping on snowshoes to make the tr
ek! Hah!-
I also have a couple of different hand pullers for awkward places.-
Wish it would warm up! The last day I test flew my CH-701 at 31 hours, it w
as +60F, and the next day it blizzarded and tem drop to below zero where it
has hovered ever since.- And the record snows.....Wish I was in Mexico l
ike Gary!
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Gower
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 1:55 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller
Hello All,
-
If anyone is using (or going to use) oil inthe riveter,- use red automati
c transmission fluid,- if tou use motor oil, the riveter has rubber parts
and o rings inside that will be damaged,- them you will have to buy a ne
w one...-- We use HF riveters daily for more than 10 years in our facto
ry.--
The HF riveter has some oil inside, only when disasemble... Send me direct
mail to explain-how to assemble...
-
No other mantaince, other than cleaning the puller jaws needed,--The dr
op of-red oil is not mandatory just a couple of drops once or twice ayear
.
-
The-]pneumatic tools that need oil are the ones that spin-(air drills,
etc) -
Hope this helps.
-
Saludos
Gary Gower
--- On Mon, 1/12/09, Randall J. Hebert <randy@rjhebertassoc.com> wrote:
From: Randall J. Hebert <randy@rjhebertassoc.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller
<randy@rjhebertassoc.com>
Bob
I use 4 or 5 drops of oil in mine each new DAY I use it. If it is the
same day i.e. morning then evening, I don't add oil.
I have Zenith's but all of my pneumatic tools are treated the same way
Even with the small amount I use, my hand does get a little oily, but
the puller works fine.
I had one event where it would pull once then hang up half way
I added a drop around the side of the chuck and no more problems.
As long as it gets me through this project I am satisfied. I am not
looking for a long term tool here.
Randall J Hebert
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stepinwolf
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:13 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Need help & consuling on Rivet puller
<robert.pelland@cgocable.ca>
When I first started looking for a rivet puller, I shied away from the
gun that was being offered by Zenith because I had heard from builders
on this List, that there was many instances of cracking in the casings.
As a replacement I decided to go with a gun that was being offered by
ACS ( see pic below ) however it is starting to look like this was not
my best decision.
I had difficulty with the setup instructions ( Chinese instructions )
and for the life of me I still have not been able to get the oil level
correct. The instructions state that the unit should be filled with oil
up to the top of the frame, without showing where exactly what they
consider as being the top or the exact filling level is.
My second mistake was purchasing two guns so as not to have to
continually swap out the two tips. As it stands, when I do get one of
the @#$%&* things to work, it won't pull more then a dozen or so
rivets,
before me being obliged to open up the air cylinder and start fidgeting
with the oil level again.
I am basically a neat person, and I can't live with the constant spewing
of oil out the front, or the back stem catcher, and ending up on my
freshly made parts, or my work table for that matter. I am now in the
process of trying to look for a replacement, but all the suppliers seem
to have the same low cost gun. The list of resellers I checked with is
rather extensive and includes, but is not limited to, The Yard, ATS,
Browns, Cleavland, US Tools, all registered trademarks etc, and a few
more I will not mention.
My question to the List is this, is the rivet gun being sold by all of
these suppliers the same gun. I have looked as best as I can, and every
last one is showing what looks to be the exact same unit on their
web-page, with the only difference being the color or the pricing. The
cases are identical, the same tips, the same nose pieces, hell they even
the same triggering mechanism, and the only difference so far is prices,
that are anywhere between 40$, to a 140$.
For those of you who have used any of the above guns, are you aware of
any difference in quality of these guns, or is it a " find the peanut
under the shell " type of situation for me to get a proper replacement
that will work,
Thank's to all of you who will take the time to respond to my concerns.
Bob, the 701 & 750 Scratch
Three Rivers , Quebec.
7-7143 & 7-75???
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