---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith701801-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 01/19/09: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:54 AM - Re: LED Position Lights (Mark Kershaw) 2. 04:26 AM - Re: Older Doors (kmccune) 3. 05:19 AM - Re: Re: Main gear weight (John Bolding) 4. 05:28 AM - Weight-saving Hint (Zed Smith) 5. 06:17 AM - Re: Weight-saving Hint (John Bolding) 6. 07:03 AM - Re: Weight-saving Hint (Zed Smith) 7. 07:52 AM - Re: Weight-saving Hint (BokKat) 8. 08:42 AM - Re: Older Doors (Tommy Walker) 9. 09:03 AM - Re: Re: Older Doors (BokKat) 10. 10:33 AM - Re: Weight-saving Hint (Curt Thompson) 11. 11:34 AM - Re: Weight-saving Hint (John Bolding) 12. 11:44 AM - Re: Weight-saving Hint (BokKat) 13. 12:22 PM - Re: LED Position Lights (Jake Crause) 14. 01:04 PM - Re: Weight-saving Hint (David Brooks) 15. 03:11 PM - Re: Weight-saving Hint (kmccune) 16. 03:17 PM - Chat Room Reminder (George Race) 17. 03:43 PM - Re: Re: Weight-saving Hint (BokKat) 18. 06:10 PM - Re: Re: Older Doors. Internet, long. (Gary Gower) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:54:02 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: LED Position Lights From: "Mark Kershaw" Good afternoon Jake, I am just busy attaching mine to the rudder skin, the wire is 16 guage. It comes in rolled in a 6ft length which needs to be cut in half. Regards Mark Kershaw 18 hours and creeping up. From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jake Crause Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 5:30 AM Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: LED Position Lights Thanks Ken, I'll take a look at those lights. I just found the Tail Kit assembly manual on the Zenith website. On the exploded view it appears like the holes for the wires are pre-drilled. Does anyone know the gauge of the wire the Zenith tail light uses? Thanks. Jake 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:26:15 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Older Doors From: "kmccune" Hi Tommy, I found this through the wayback internet archives, it is a sample from the late 90s Zenith website. Kevin -------- Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=225633#225633 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/bubbled_stadard_door_7_f_19_170.pdf ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:57 AM PST US From: "John Bolding" Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: Main gear weight Ken, Randall Thanks , now I know what I'm shooting for. John do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Ryan To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 10:25 PM Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: Main gear weight Apples and oranges, but Grove's 701 gear weighs 18.1 pounds: http://www.groveaircraft.com/landing_gear.html#zenair On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Randall J. Hebert wrote: John This is from a bathroom scale that weighs to the 10th of a pound. I get 20.5# BUT I don't know how accurate the scale is. Randall J Hebert Does anyone have the main gear leg laying around that they could put on a scale? Just the gear, nothing mounted. THANKS John ist" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith701801-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:06 AM PST US From: Zed Smith Subject: Zenith701801-List: Weight-saving Hint do NOT archive John, If you put helium in the tires/tubes you can realize another savings in weight..... Best regards, Zed ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:17:00 AM PST US From: "John Bolding" Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Weight-saving Hint Thanks Zed , I always count on you for fresh, solid ,practical information !! How's the 701 progressing? John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zed Smith" Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 7:27 AM Subject: Zenith701801-List: Weight-saving Hint > > > do NOT archive > > John, > > If you put helium in the tires/tubes you can realize another savings in > weight..... > > Best regards, > > Zed > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:33 AM PST US From: Zed Smith Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Weight-saving Hint do not archive John, Slow. Very slow. Wings, tail feathers, engine, instruments, etc, are on and engine runs. Need to do the sheet metal between wings & fuselage, fairing at rudder, and the cowling. Doors fitted, then removed (they get in the way of progress). Paint may be much later. Actually, it is 99% done and 100% left to do..... I'm 67 and still working 50 hours/week. Probably should decide which is more important! Regards, Zed ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:52:15 AM PST US From: "BokKat" Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Weight-saving Hint Way to go Zed! You'll have her ready for lauch by spring! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zed Smith" Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 9:02 AM Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Weight-saving Hint > > > do not archive > > John, > > Slow. Very slow. > > Wings, tail feathers, engine, instruments, etc, are on and engine runs. > Need to do the sheet metal between wings & fuselage, fairing at rudder, > and the cowling. > Doors fitted, then removed (they get in the way of progress). > Paint may be much later. > Actually, it is 99% done and 100% left to do..... > I'm 67 and still working 50 hours/week. Probably should decide which is > more important! > > Regards, > > Zed > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:28 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Older Doors From: "Tommy Walker" I have to say that I get a lot more out of this list than I contribute. Thanks to all. Tommy Walker in Alabama 50% done -------- Tommy Walker N8701 - Anniston, AL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=225683#225683 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:03:31 AM PST US From: "BokKat" Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: Older Doors M too, Tommy! I wish I'd found out about it a2 or 3 years ago. Would have saved me lots of mistakes and redoes. Even now I'm leaning all kids of good things from all you guys! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tommy Walker" Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 10:41 AM Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Older Doors > > > I have to say that I get a lot more out of this list than I contribute. > > Thanks to all. > > Tommy Walker in Alabama > > 50% done > > -------- > Tommy Walker > N8701 - Anniston, AL > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=225683#225683 > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:33:43 AM PST US From: "Curt Thompson" Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Weight-saving Hint No. Use hydrogen. It will save even more weight. Curt DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Zed Smith Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:27 AM Subject: Zenith701801-List: Weight-saving Hint do NOT archive John, If you put helium in the tires/tubes you can realize another savings in weight..... Best regards, Zed ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:34:16 AM PST US From: "John Bolding" Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Weight-saving Hint you're not gonna trick ME into using hydrogen, I'll end up like the Hindenburg sure as sin !! do not archive ANYTHING from me !! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Thompson" Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 12:32 PM Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Weight-saving Hint > > > No. Use hydrogen. It will save even more weight. > > Curt > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Zed > Smith > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:27 AM > To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com > Subject: Zenith701801-List: Weight-saving Hint > > > > do NOT archive > > John, > > If you put helium in the tires/tubes you can realize another savings in > weight..... > > Best regards, > > Zed > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:44:18 AM PST US From: "BokKat" Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Weight-saving Hint Just grease em all in, like the USAir Floatplane, John! ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bolding" Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 1:33 PM Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Weight-saving Hint > > > > you're not gonna trick ME into using hydrogen, I'll end up like the > Hindenburg sure as sin !! > > do not archive ANYTHING from me !! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Curt Thompson" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 12:32 PM > Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Weight-saving Hint > > >> >> >> No. Use hydrogen. It will save even more weight. >> >> Curt >> DO NOT ARCHIVE >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Zed >> Smith >> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:27 AM >> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Zenith701801-List: Weight-saving Hint >> >> >> >> do NOT archive >> >> John, >> >> If you put helium in the tires/tubes you can realize another savings in >> weight..... >> >> Best regards, >> >> Zed >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:22:04 PM PST US From: Jake Crause Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: LED Position Lights Thanks Mark, It's very much appreciated.=0A=0AJake=0A=0A=0A=0AMark Wrote: =0A=0AGood afternoon Jake, I am just busy attaching mine to the rudder skin ,- the wire is 16 guage. It comes in rolled in a- 6ft length which need s to be cut in half.=0A-=0ARegards=0AMark Kershaw=0A18 hours and creeping up.=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:04:35 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Weight-saving Hint From: David Brooks An old bicycle buddy of mine suggested that instead of buying all manner of titanium bits and bobs for my bike I could save more weight by not drinking beer. He may have been right, but we no longer speak. Dave (do not archive) On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 2:43 PM, BokKat wrote: > > Just grease em all in, like the USAir Floatplane, John! > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Bolding" < > jnbolding1@teleshare.net> > To: > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 1:33 PM > Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Weight-saving Hint > > >> jnbolding1@teleshare.net> >> >> >> you're not gonna trick ME into using hydrogen, I'll end up like the >> Hindenburg sure as sin !! >> >> do not archive ANYTHING from me !! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Curt Thompson" < >> Curt.Thompson@verizon.net> >> To: >> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 12:32 PM >> Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Weight-saving Hint >> >> >>> Curt.Thompson@verizon.net> >>> >>> No. Use hydrogen. It will save even more weight. >>> >>> Curt >>> DO NOT ARCHIVE >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com >>> [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Zed >>> Smith >>> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:27 AM >>> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Zenith701801-List: Weight-saving Hint >>> >>> zsmith3rd@earthlink.net> >>> >>> do NOT archive >>> >>> John, >>> >>> If you put helium in the tires/tubes you can realize another savings in >>> weight..... >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Zed >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:22 PM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Weight-saving Hint From: "kmccune" [Laughing] do not archive kevin [quote="dkbrooks(at)gmail.com"]An old bicycle buddy of mine suggested that instead of buying all manner of titanium bits and bobs for my bike I could save more weight by not drinking beer. He may have been right, but we no longer speak. Dave (do not archive) On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 2:43 PM, BokKat wrote: > > Just grease em all in, like the USAir Floatplane, John! > --- -------- Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=225743#225743 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:17:45 PM PST US From: "George Race" Subject: Zenith701801-List: Chat Room Reminder Please join us for the Monday evening chat room starting around 8:00 PM Eastern Time. www.mykitairplane.com/chat/ George Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:43:47 PM PST US From: "BokKat" Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: Weight-saving Hint HEY! I ressemble that remark with my ultra lightweight titanium bike! Aluminum is good enough for my 701, though! LOL ----- Original Message ----- From: "kmccune" Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:10 PM Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Weight-saving Hint > > [Laughing] > > do not archive > > kevin > > > [quote="dkbrooks(at)gmail.com"]An old bicycle buddy of mine suggested that > instead of buying all manner of titanium bits and bobs for my bike I could > save more weight by not drinking beer. > > He may have been right, but we no longer speak. > > Dave > > (do not archive) > > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 2:43 PM, BokKat wrote: > >> >> Just grease em all in, like the USAir Floatplane, John! >> --- > > > -------- > Mark Twain: Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the > things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the > bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your > sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=225743#225743 > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:10:13 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: Older Doors. Internet, long. When I built my first airplane, there was no internet, only by letter... or by EXPENSIVE international phone calls from here... One good thing for all of us, is not to be shy to comment, every post will help someone else. Expert builders, a few, learning builders, the rest of us. Newbies always coming, hope they keep subscribing, so the process don't stop... I remember, my first letter I wrote to the designer of my first project, a JN-1 single seater ultralight. Was asking the designer what a "tinnerman nut" was, He answered me (the letter got here 3 months later) that I should NOT build an airplane with my poor knowledge :-( I felt bad about it. 6 months later a friend gave as a souvenir from his visit to Usa, a Spruce Catalog (two year old at the time), a give away from his brother's neighbor in California... Its weight in gold for me! There I knew what "that" nut was (saw the drawing), we use them here, but with another name, by the way, the JN-1 was never started, we did not use the Dow foam here at that time. Still have the plans... Maybe some time later... Saludos Gary Gower Do not archive. --- On Mon, 1/19/09, BokKat wrote: > From: BokKat > Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: Older Doors > To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com > Date: Monday, January 19, 2009, 12:00 PM > "BokKat" > > M too, Tommy! I wish I'd found out about it a2 or 3 > years ago. Would have > saved me lots of mistakes and redoes. Even now I'm > leaning all kids of good > things from all you guys! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tommy Walker" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 10:41 AM > Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Older Doors > > > "Tommy Walker" > > > > > > I have to say that I get a lot more out of this list > than I contribute. > > > > Thanks to all. > > > > Tommy Walker in Alabama > > > > 50% done > > > > -------- > > Tommy Walker > > N8701 - Anniston, AL > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=225683#225683 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith701801-List ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith701801-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith701801-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith701801-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith701801-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.