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1. 05:18 AM - Re: Does the cowl align to fuse or does it align with engine (Roy Szarafinski)
2. 05:34 AM - Re: AN fittings (Randall J. Hebert)
3. 10:13 AM - Re: AN etc specifications (was AN fittings) (raymondj)
4. 11:19 AM - Re: Looking for builder or flyer near F70 (Les Goldner)
5. 11:37 AM - Re: [Possible Spam] Re: AN etc specifications (was AN fittings) (LarryMcFarland)
6. 12:44 PM - Fuel lines (Victor Menkal)
7. 01:25 PM - Fuel system (Victor Menkal)
8. 04:13 PM - Chat Room Reminder (George Race)
9. 05:21 PM - Re: Looking for builder or flyer near F70 (ricklach)
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| Subject: | Re: Does the cowl align to fuse or does it align with |
engine
All I can say is how I did it.
The crankshaft/prop hub center line is 3 degrees from perpendicular to the fire
wall but the center of the hub is on the center line of the firewall if I project
the line rearward. Consequently the rear of the engine looks off center when
viewed from the top. I built the nose bowl with 3 degrees out of plane to
the firewall to keep an even gap at the spinner.
I think I would worry more about cowling symmetry to the fuse than centering the
hub on the nose bowl if it is pretty close. If you have no close fitting spinner
then there is a fair amount of latitude.
A round plywood disc bolted to the hub and clecoed to the nose bowl is how I located
the nose bowl.
Roy
--- On Sat, 1/24/09, Geoff Heap <stol10@comcast.net> wrote:
> From: Geoff Heap <stol10@comcast.net>
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: Does the cowl align to fuse or does it align with
engine
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 5:08 PM
> Heap" <stol10@comcast.net>
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> The engine is 3 deg off A/C center line. Does the cowl
> follow the engine CL to centralize the prop hub within the
> cowl opening? I imagine it is but I've never thought
> about it before and I don't recall the subject ever
> being mentioned anywhere.
> ......Geoff....Frigid in New Jersey
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SAE Standards (Society of Automotive Engineers)
SAE groups its standards into three sections: Ground Vehicle Standards,
Aerospace Standards, and Aerospace Material Specifications. Full text of
SAE Ground Vehicle Standards, Recommended Practices, and Information
Reports can be found in the SAE Handbook (on CDROM in the Standards
Center, Room 161 Library). The volume Aerospace Material Specifications
(AMS) is in the General Collection (TL950 .A37x). The ISU Library has an
index to the SAE Aerospace Standards, SAE Aerospace Standards Index (on
CDROM in the Standards Center, Room 161 Library), but does not own the
aerospace standards set. Individual SAE standards adopted by the
American National Standards Institute can be found on the ANSI standards
shelves and are listed in the Catalog of American National Standards.
Descriptions of individual SAE standards are available through subject
groupings at the society's website:
http://www.sae.org/products/standards/stdsinfo/individu.htm.
Randall J Hebert
Randall J Hebert & Associates, Inc
Consulting Engineers
Ph 337-261-1976 Fx 337-261-1977
posted by: John Marzulli <john.marzulli@gmail.com>
Car parts are manufactured to standards?
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| Subject: | Re: 701801-List:AN etc specifications (was AN fittings) |
As I understand it, many of the mil spec documents (AN, MS, NAS, etc) have
been dropped and SAE standards have been substituted for use in contracts.
Before this change were the specification documents available as government
publications? Perhaps the type that might be available for download. I have
been searching for a source of the specifications without paying the SAE
organization for their documents. I have not been able to find any of the
mil spec documents, only documents referring contractors to the SAE
documents.
Any and all information on this topic will be appreciated.
Raymond Julian
Kettle River, MN
"Hope for the best,
but prepare for the worst."
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randall J. Hebert" <randy@rjhebertassoc.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 7:27 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: AN fittings
> <randy@rjhebertassoc.com>
>
> SAE Standards (Society of Automotive Engineers)
> SAE groups its standards into three sections: Ground Vehicle Standards,
> Aerospace Standards, and Aerospace Material Specifications. Full text of
> SAE Ground Vehicle Standards, Recommended Practices, and Information
> Reports can be found in the SAE Handbook (on CDROM in the Standards
> Center, Room 161 Library). The volume Aerospace Material Specifications
> (AMS) is in the General Collection (TL950 .A37x). The ISU Library has an
> index to the SAE Aerospace Standards, SAE Aerospace Standards Index (on
> CDROM in the Standards Center, Room 161 Library), but does not own the
> aerospace standards set. Individual SAE standards adopted by the
> American National Standards Institute can be found on the ANSI standards
> shelves and are listed in the Catalog of American National Standards.
> Descriptions of individual SAE standards are available through subject
> groupings at the society's website:
> http://www.sae.org/products/standards/stdsinfo/individu.htm.
>
>
> Randall J Hebert
> Randall J Hebert & Associates, Inc
> Consulting Engineers
> Ph 337-261-1976 Fx 337-261-1977
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| Subject: | Looking for builder or flyer near F70 |
Rick,
If you come to N. California you can find lots of 701s in Petaluma (the
Liberty Field Flyers) and Cloverdale (Quality Sport Plane). QSP in
Cloverdale works with a lot of 701 builders.
Les
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From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 4:22 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Looking for builder or flyer near F70
Hi all. Just lurking right now and in the decision to start mode. I was
hopeful some one near me has started or even finished a 701. If so
please let me know as I would very much enjoy some look and see time.
Thanks
Rick
French valley California
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| Subject: | Re: ble Spam] Re: Zenith701801-List:AN etc specifications (was |
AN fittings)
Hi Raymond,
Having worked for the Defense Department, I can relate what happened to
Government specifications. The cost of purchasing materials and supplies
was costing too much, so Govt Specs were replaced with "performance
requirements". This was supposed to save lots on the basis that if you
could
build a trailer with toothpicks and meet the same result in performance
as the original, you'd save money. For all the same reasoning it has not
always worked out that way due to a need to test everything at each
contract. Bad for the taxpayer, but good for government job security.
People that wrote specifications now write performance requirements, no
job loss, but lots of new test and inspection engineering budgets.
Very little of what exists in Government specification is up to date or
even applicable today. Chinese hardware took care of that.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
do not archive
raymondj wrote:
> <raymondj@frontiernet.net>
>
> As I understand it, many of the mil spec documents (AN, MS, NAS, etc)
> have been dropped and SAE standards have been substituted for use in
> contracts. Before this change were the specification documents
> available as government publications? Perhaps the type that might be
> available for download. I have been searching for a source of the
> specifications without paying the SAE organization for their
> documents. I have not been able to find any of the mil spec
> documents, only documents referring contractors to the SAE documents.
>
> Any and all information on this topic will be appreciated.
>
> Raymond Julian
> Kettle River, MN
>
> "Hope for the best,
> but prepare for the worst."
>
> do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall J. Hebert"
> <randy@rjhebertassoc.com>
> To: <zenith701801-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 7:27 AM
> Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: AN fittings
>
>
>> <randy@rjhebertassoc.com>
>>
>> SAE Standards (Society of Automotive Engineers)
>> SAE groups its standards into three sections: Ground Vehicle Standards,
>> Aerospace Standards, and Aerospace Material Specifications. Full text of
>> SAE Ground Vehicle Standards, Recommended Practices, and Information
>> Reports can be found in the SAE Handbook (on CDROM in the Standards
>> Center, Room 161 Library). The volume Aerospace Material Specifications
>> (AMS) is in the General Collection (TL950 .A37x). The ISU Library has an
>> index to the SAE Aerospace Standards, SAE Aerospace Standards Index (on
>> CDROM in the Standards Center, Room 161 Library), but does not own the
>> aerospace standards set. Individual SAE standards adopted by the
>> American National Standards Institute can be found on the ANSI standards
>> shelves and are listed in the Catalog of American National Standards.
>> Descriptions of individual SAE standards are available through subject
>> groupings at the society's website:
>> http://www.sae.org/products/standards/stdsinfo/individu.htm.
>>
>>
>> Randall J Hebert
>> Randall J Hebert & Associates, Inc
>> Consulting Engineers
>> Ph 337-261-1976 Fx 337-261-1977
>
>
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Thanx Larry and Joe. Sometimes the simplest solutions are the hardest
to find which makes the list so valuable. The fuel primer was great
(also a bit scary) Joe, thanx.
Using a union at wing root great solution for my pitot and AOA lines
as well.
I calculated that it would cost almost $1,000 to use all Aeroquip
fittings, hose, etc for the entire plane (Im isolating my fuel tanks
so times two for everything). But heck, it would look really nice.
Cheers Cpt Vic
CH701 C-GPT (res)
Whitehorse Yukon
Tail done, wing fuel and electrical will be finished TODAY :)
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Hey, just saw the posts from Carl, Doug and Bob re fuel systems.
Thanx guys!
My final system was to use automotive fuel lines pressure rated for
fuel injection systems, AN grade barbs either end and AN grade union
below wing root. I like looking at the pretty colors of the $50 AN
union. A nice fitting I did find at JEGS called a T-bolt clamp - a
gear clamp replacement which uses a bolt which threads into an
aircraft lock nut (as opposed to the gear and slotted strap).
Final bit was to instal an inspection port at fuel gauge sender and
fuel line connection so it can be inspected and replaced (this was
vital information thanx) as required. Couple of $4 inspection ports
from Spruce, cut two holes, jogged edge with jogging tool, tinnerman
anchors for SS screws, done! One hour, a coffee and a thank you note
to my fellow listers - OK 4 hours to get up the nerve to do the first
cut in the wing skin then 1 hour ......
Cheers Cpt Vic
CH701 C-GCPT (res)
Yukon Whitehorse
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| Subject: | Chat Room Reminder |
Please join us for the Monday evening chat room starting around 8:00 PM
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George
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for builder or flyer near F70 |
Hi Rick,
I live in the mountains up around Bakersfield. I have my flying 701 and another
one I'm building in my shop that's for sale. If you wanted to make the drive
your more than welcome. It's about a three hour drive to my place. I have a cousin
that lives in Murrieta and thats what he tells me.
Rick
rick@ravenaviation.us
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Rick
N35 26.700, W118 16.743
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