---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith701801-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 01/25/09: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:18 AM - Re: Does the cowl align to fuse or does it align with engine (Roy Szarafinski) 2. 05:34 AM - Re: AN fittings (Randall J. Hebert) 3. 10:13 AM - Re: AN etc specifications (was AN fittings) (raymondj) 4. 11:19 AM - Re: Looking for builder or flyer near F70 (Les Goldner) 5. 11:37 AM - Re: [Possible Spam] Re: AN etc specifications (was AN fittings) (LarryMcFarland) 6. 12:44 PM - Fuel lines (Victor Menkal) 7. 01:25 PM - Fuel system (Victor Menkal) 8. 04:13 PM - Chat Room Reminder (George Race) 9. 05:21 PM - Re: Looking for builder or flyer near F70 (ricklach) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:18:30 AM PST US From: Roy Szarafinski Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Does the cowl align to fuse or does it align with engine All I can say is how I did it. The crankshaft/prop hub center line is 3 degrees from perpendicular to the fire wall but the center of the hub is on the center line of the firewall if I project the line rearward. Consequently the rear of the engine looks off center when viewed from the top. I built the nose bowl with 3 degrees out of plane to the firewall to keep an even gap at the spinner. I think I would worry more about cowling symmetry to the fuse than centering the hub on the nose bowl if it is pretty close. If you have no close fitting spinner then there is a fair amount of latitude. A round plywood disc bolted to the hub and clecoed to the nose bowl is how I located the nose bowl. Roy --- On Sat, 1/24/09, Geoff Heap wrote: > From: Geoff Heap > Subject: Zenith701801-List: Does the cowl align to fuse or does it align with engine > To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com > Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 5:08 PM > Heap" > > The engine is 3 deg off A/C center line. Does the cowl > follow the engine CL to centralize the prop hub within the > cowl opening? I imagine it is but I've never thought > about it before and I don't recall the subject ever > being mentioned anywhere. > ......Geoff....Frigid in New Jersey > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=226583#226583 > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith701801-List ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:34:48 AM PST US Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: AN fittings From: "Randall J. Hebert" SAE Standards (Society of Automotive Engineers) SAE groups its standards into three sections: Ground Vehicle Standards, Aerospace Standards, and Aerospace Material Specifications. Full text of SAE Ground Vehicle Standards, Recommended Practices, and Information Reports can be found in the SAE Handbook (on CDROM in the Standards Center, Room 161 Library). The volume Aerospace Material Specifications (AMS) is in the General Collection (TL950 .A37x). The ISU Library has an index to the SAE Aerospace Standards, SAE Aerospace Standards Index (on CDROM in the Standards Center, Room 161 Library), but does not own the aerospace standards set. Individual SAE standards adopted by the American National Standards Institute can be found on the ANSI standards shelves and are listed in the Catalog of American National Standards. Descriptions of individual SAE standards are available through subject groupings at the society's website: http://www.sae.org/products/standards/stdsinfo/individu.htm. Randall J Hebert Randall J Hebert & Associates, Inc Consulting Engineers Ph 337-261-1976 Fx 337-261-1977 posted by: John Marzulli Car parts are manufactured to standards? Do not archive! ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:13:29 AM PST US From: "raymondj" Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List:AN etc specifications (was AN fittings) As I understand it, many of the mil spec documents (AN, MS, NAS, etc) have been dropped and SAE standards have been substituted for use in contracts. Before this change were the specification documents available as government publications? Perhaps the type that might be available for download. I have been searching for a source of the specifications without paying the SAE organization for their documents. I have not been able to find any of the mil spec documents, only documents referring contractors to the SAE documents. Any and all information on this topic will be appreciated. Raymond Julian Kettle River, MN "Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst." do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall J. Hebert" Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 7:27 AM Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: AN fittings > > > SAE Standards (Society of Automotive Engineers) > SAE groups its standards into three sections: Ground Vehicle Standards, > Aerospace Standards, and Aerospace Material Specifications. Full text of > SAE Ground Vehicle Standards, Recommended Practices, and Information > Reports can be found in the SAE Handbook (on CDROM in the Standards > Center, Room 161 Library). The volume Aerospace Material Specifications > (AMS) is in the General Collection (TL950 .A37x). The ISU Library has an > index to the SAE Aerospace Standards, SAE Aerospace Standards Index (on > CDROM in the Standards Center, Room 161 Library), but does not own the > aerospace standards set. Individual SAE standards adopted by the > American National Standards Institute can be found on the ANSI standards > shelves and are listed in the Catalog of American National Standards. > Descriptions of individual SAE standards are available through subject > groupings at the society's website: > http://www.sae.org/products/standards/stdsinfo/individu.htm. > > > Randall J Hebert > Randall J Hebert & Associates, Inc > Consulting Engineers > Ph 337-261-1976 Fx 337-261-1977 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:19:34 AM PST US From: "Les Goldner" Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Looking for builder or flyer near F70 Rick, If you come to N. California you can find lots of 701s in Petaluma (the Liberty Field Flyers) and Cloverdale (Quality Sport Plane). QSP in Cloverdale works with a lot of 701 builders. Les -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 4:22 PM Subject: Zenith701801-List: Looking for builder or flyer near F70 Hi all. Just lurking right now and in the decision to start mode. I was hopeful some one near me has started or even finished a 701. If so please let me know as I would very much enjoy some look and see time. Thanks Rick French valley California ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:37:51 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: [Possible Spam] Re: Zenith701801-List:AN etc specifications (was AN fittings) Hi Raymond, Having worked for the Defense Department, I can relate what happened to Government specifications. The cost of purchasing materials and supplies was costing too much, so Govt Specs were replaced with "performance requirements". This was supposed to save lots on the basis that if you could build a trailer with toothpicks and meet the same result in performance as the original, you'd save money. For all the same reasoning it has not always worked out that way due to a need to test everything at each contract. Bad for the taxpayer, but good for government job security. People that wrote specifications now write performance requirements, no job loss, but lots of new test and inspection engineering budgets. Very little of what exists in Government specification is up to date or even applicable today. Chinese hardware took care of that. Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com do not archive raymondj wrote: > > > As I understand it, many of the mil spec documents (AN, MS, NAS, etc) > have been dropped and SAE standards have been substituted for use in > contracts. Before this change were the specification documents > available as government publications? Perhaps the type that might be > available for download. I have been searching for a source of the > specifications without paying the SAE organization for their > documents. I have not been able to find any of the mil spec > documents, only documents referring contractors to the SAE documents. > > Any and all information on this topic will be appreciated. > > Raymond Julian > Kettle River, MN > > "Hope for the best, > but prepare for the worst." > > do not archive > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall J. Hebert" > > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 7:27 AM > Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: AN fittings > > >> >> >> SAE Standards (Society of Automotive Engineers) >> SAE groups its standards into three sections: Ground Vehicle Standards, >> Aerospace Standards, and Aerospace Material Specifications. Full text of >> SAE Ground Vehicle Standards, Recommended Practices, and Information >> Reports can be found in the SAE Handbook (on CDROM in the Standards >> Center, Room 161 Library). The volume Aerospace Material Specifications >> (AMS) is in the General Collection (TL950 .A37x). The ISU Library has an >> index to the SAE Aerospace Standards, SAE Aerospace Standards Index (on >> CDROM in the Standards Center, Room 161 Library), but does not own the >> aerospace standards set. Individual SAE standards adopted by the >> American National Standards Institute can be found on the ANSI standards >> shelves and are listed in the Catalog of American National Standards. >> Descriptions of individual SAE standards are available through subject >> groupings at the society's website: >> http://www.sae.org/products/standards/stdsinfo/individu.htm. >> >> >> Randall J Hebert >> Randall J Hebert & Associates, Inc >> Consulting Engineers >> Ph 337-261-1976 Fx 337-261-1977 > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:44:42 PM PST US From: Victor Menkal Subject: Zenith701801-List: Fuel lines Thanx Larry and Joe. Sometimes the simplest solutions are the hardest to find which makes the list so valuable. The fuel primer was great (also a bit scary) Joe, thanx. Using a union at wing root great solution for my pitot and AOA lines as well. I calculated that it would cost almost $1,000 to use all Aeroquip fittings, hose, etc for the entire plane (Im isolating my fuel tanks so times two for everything). But heck, it would look really nice. Cheers Cpt Vic CH701 C-GPT (res) Whitehorse Yukon Tail done, wing fuel and electrical will be finished TODAY :) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:25:12 PM PST US From: Victor Menkal Subject: Zenith701801-List: Fuel system Hey, just saw the posts from Carl, Doug and Bob re fuel systems. Thanx guys! My final system was to use automotive fuel lines pressure rated for fuel injection systems, AN grade barbs either end and AN grade union below wing root. I like looking at the pretty colors of the $50 AN union. A nice fitting I did find at JEGS called a T-bolt clamp - a gear clamp replacement which uses a bolt which threads into an aircraft lock nut (as opposed to the gear and slotted strap). Final bit was to instal an inspection port at fuel gauge sender and fuel line connection so it can be inspected and replaced (this was vital information thanx) as required. Couple of $4 inspection ports from Spruce, cut two holes, jogged edge with jogging tool, tinnerman anchors for SS screws, done! One hour, a coffee and a thank you note to my fellow listers - OK 4 hours to get up the nerve to do the first cut in the wing skin then 1 hour ...... Cheers Cpt Vic CH701 C-GCPT (res) Yukon Whitehorse ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:13:55 PM PST US From: "George Race" Subject: Zenith701801-List: Chat Room Reminder Please join us for the Monday evening chat room starting around 8:00 PM Eastern Time. www.mykitairplane.com/chat/ George Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:21:34 PM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Looking for builder or flyer near F70 From: "ricklach" Hi Rick, I live in the mountains up around Bakersfield. I have my flying 701 and another one I'm building in my shop that's for sale. If you wanted to make the drive your more than welcome. It's about a three hour drive to my place. I have a cousin that lives in Murrieta and thats what he tells me. 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