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1. 04:04 AM - Re: Build area size? (ron wehba)
2. 09:44 AM - Re: Where can I land my 701 (Les Goldner)
3. 09:49 AM - Re: Warp drive prop (Les Goldner)
4. 10:24 AM - Re: Where can I land my 701 (BokKat)
5. 12:08 PM - Fuel Pressure for Jabiru 3300 (Stanley Challgren)
6. 01:39 PM - =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:__Re:_Zenith701801-List:_R=E9p._:_Zen?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?ith701801-List:_Warp_drive_prop_length=3F? (carl)
7. 02:17 PM - WD prop 701/912ul (carl)
8. 03:07 PM - Re: Fuel Pressure for Jabiru 3300 (n801bh@netzero.com)
9. 06:41 PM - EGT Placement (philip smith)
10. 07:07 PM - Re: Warp drive prop (Larry)
11. 07:28 PM - Re: Warp drive prop (fritz)
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| Subject: | Re: Build area size? |
i'll get some pics later today, my camera is at my office.
ronnie wehba
--- On Sun, 2/1/09, Stanley Challgren <challgren@mac.com> wrote:
From: Stanley Challgren <challgren@mac.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Build area size?
Ron:
I am facing the same problem about a garage/hangar. -Modifying a current
stand alone garage on my property would be over $5 grand. -I would apprec
iate your emailing me a picture of your solution to the hangar problem.
Stan
701/3300
On Feb 1, 2009, at 5:55 , ron wehba wrote:
if you are buying , and have room , you can do as i did for a shop , talked
to one of the companys that put up those carports you see everywhere. told
them what i needed and they priced it ,,great price. as i am in the constr
uction trade, could not have done it myself any cheaper.- poured a slab a
nd they put it up in 6-1/2 hours.- it is a 15'x30' x 9' tall closed eaves
with a 3' walk in door and a 9'wide7'tall roll up garage door if you need
a picture email me and i'll send ya some.
ronnie wehba
--- On Sat, 1/31/09, John Marzulli <john.marzulli@gmail.com> wrote:
From: John Marzulli <john.marzulli@gmail.com>
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Build area size?
This sort of mail normally gets sent before a project gets started but...
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| Subject: | Where can I land my 701 |
Rick,
Here in N. California my flying club lands in lots of interesting places including
beaches, sand bars, public lands and farm fields (with permission). We did
get in trouble once for landing in a National wildlife preserve and had to sit
though a lecture on why this is a no-no (you could be hit with big fines and
once landed you can't take off without permission). On the way to Arizona, in
Nevada, in stronger than expected head-winds, we had to land on a road in the
desert to gas-up. Although the road was void of cars, within minutes of our landing
a police car pulled up. The officer told us we can't land on roads in Nevada
and we can't take off either! You could imagine how we felt until he winked
at us and added "but I will be leaving in a few minutes". Another time we
landed on a road that one of our club members had built years ago because the
guy wanted to show us how well he built it, only to be stopped by military police
for trespassing. When we said we were having engine trouble we were allowed
to leave.
Les
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ricklach
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:31 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Where can I land my 701
Question: Dose any one know what the laws are in your state for landing your airplane
on government (federal or state) land that is not an airport. Meaning if
Im flying along and I see a nice place to land to enjoy the afternoon sun can
I land without worrying about being prosecuted by someone. I can park my car
on that same spot and not be bothered so why cant I park my airplane? I am particularly
interested in comments from pilots in the western U.S. as I am not
living in Calif. and looking forward to this next summer with my 701.
You see I use to live in Alaska and its Legal by Law to land on the roads up there.
The larger incorporated cities like Anchorage have laws against it of course.
But thats why you see Cubs parked in front of houses as you drive down the
highway and no airport for miles. They just use the highway to land and take
off.
I have searched the internet for the law here in California and I found where they
specifically state that you can not land on any highway except for emergencies.
But what about out in the middle of the desert. Again if I can park my car
there why cant I park my airplane there too?
Rick
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Rick
N35 26.700, W118 16.743
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=227880#227880
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Why paint it?
The paint may come off with time and rain and you could have balance
problems unless you are very careful. If you are really into painting the
prop I would check with Warp Drive first.
Les
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ronnie
Koonce
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 6:48 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Warp drive prop
Can you paint a Warp Drive prop? any drawbacks? Safety issues?
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| Subject: | Re: Where can I land my 701 |
Up here in ND there was never a law saying you couldn't land on a road till
recently. Sprayers often did so! Only one guy I knew of actually got a
ticket, and that was more or less because he was using a rather busy section
(for ND) of a main highway for his spray operations and it was obviously
unsafe! Definitely a road he shouldn't have been using, except in an
emergency!
He argued to the police officer that he couldn't be given a ticket as it was
NOT illegal to land on a road in ND at the time, and he was technically
correct! So the highway patrolman thought for a while and gave him a ticket
for "too wide a load!" The next year the legislature passed a no landing on
roads law! A classic example of one idiot ruining things for everyone!
Today, landing on roads up here is kind of a 'don't ask don't tell' thing.
If you are doing it safely in an out of the way place unless someone
complains, (extremely unlikely to happen) most law enforcement people look
the other way. I've taxiid from my shop to my hangar down a busy road many
times, but I tell the Sherriff's office I'll be doing it and they are only
too happy to send out a car to stop traffic. Probably livens up their day,
as they always seem to get a kick out ot it!
I plan to take off from that road with their assistance in a few days once I
get hangar space lined up at the neighboring airport as mine is under 2
feet of packed snow right now which severely curtails my test flying! I'm
stalled out at 31 hours!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Les Goldner" <lgold@quantum-associates.com>
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 11:42 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Where can I land my 701
> <lgold@quantum-associates.com>
>
> Rick,
> Here in N. California my flying club lands in lots of interesting places
> including beaches, sand bars, public lands and farm fields (with
> permission). We did get in trouble once for landing in a National wildlife
> preserve and had to sit though a lecture on why this is a no-no (you could
> be hit with big fines and once landed you can't take off without
> permission). On the way to Arizona, in Nevada, in stronger than expected
> head-winds, we had to land on a road in the desert to gas-up. Although the
> road was void of cars, within minutes of our landing a police car pulled
> up. The officer told us we can't land on roads in Nevada and we can't take
> off either! You could imagine how we felt until he winked at us and added
> "but I will be leaving in a few minutes". Another time we landed on a road
> that one of our club members had built years ago because the guy wanted to
> show us how well he built it, only to be stopped by military police for
> trespassing. When we said we were having eng!
>
> ine trouble we were allowed to leave.
> Les
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> ricklach
> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:31 AM
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: Where can I land my 701
>
>
> Question: Dose any one know what the laws are in your state for landing
> your airplane on government (federal or state) land that is not an
> airport. Meaning if Im flying along and I see a nice place to land to
> enjoy the afternoon sun can I land without worrying about being prosecuted
> by someone. I can park my car on that same spot and not be bothered so why
> cant I park my airplane? I am particularly interested in comments from
> pilots in the western U.S. as I am not living in Calif. and looking
> forward to this next summer with my 701.
> You see I use to live in Alaska and its Legal by Law to land on the
> roads up there. The larger incorporated cities like Anchorage have laws
> against it of course. But thats why you see Cubs parked in front of
> houses as you drive down the highway and no airport for miles. They just
> use the highway to land and take off.
> I have searched the internet for the law here in California and I found
> where they specifically state that you can not land on any highway except
> for emergencies. But what about out in the middle of the desert. Again if
> I can park my car there why cant I park my airplane there too?
>
> Rick
>
> --------
> Rick
> N35 26.700, W118 16.743
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=227880#227880
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel Pressure for Jabiru 3300 |
List:
I am installing a Jabiru 3300 on my 701 and am using the Grand Rapids
EIS/EFIS units. The latter has a Fuel Flow Option that requires at
least 5 inches of straight fuel line before entering the sensor and 2
inches after the sensor. There is about 15" between the firewall
where the fuel comes in and the fuel pump. While this is sufficient
distance to install a fuel pressure sensor and still meet the straight
line requirements, I am now wondering how important it is to have a
fuel pressure indication. On our last plane, a 601 HDS/3300 combo, it
seemed the fuel pressure indication was of little value.
Comments please.
Stan Challgren
701/Jab 3300/Grand Rapids
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| Subject: | Re: -1?Q?Re:_Zenith701801-List:_Re:_Zenith701801-List:_R=E9p._:_Zen?= |
=?iso-8859-1?Q?ith701801-List:_Warp_drive_prop_length=3F?
I have a 70" 3 blade WD on 912ul/701. I find it's a good combination
needing 8-12' of pitch depending on desired performance. As discussed I
found the tips were too close to the ground so I added a 4" plug between
the nose fork and the strut. Works fine and also reduces the height of
the tail to clear the top of doors.
Carl
From: Jean-Paul Roy <royjp@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Zenith701801-List: R=E9p. : Zenith701801-List: Warp
drive prop length???
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Date: Friday, January 30, 2009, 12:49 PM
Doug, when I went and tried the 701 in Kitchener (Tom
Mills ??) 3 years ago, he had a 72" warp drive prop on it (wheels). I
noticed he was very carefull not to travel on the grass since it had a
couple inches of snow on the ground.
I visited another one in the Montreal area, the man
had a 701 on a grass strip. He also had a 72" and I recall seeing some
grass stains on the tip of the blades.
From then on, my decision was made not to exceed 70"
if on wheels or skis. Of course being on floats does not pause this
problem as you have much more clearance.
Just my opinion
Jean-Paul Roy
--- En date de : Ven, 30.1.09, MacDonald Doug
<dougsnash@yahoo.com> a =E9crit :
dougsnash@yahoo.com>
What length Warp drive prop is used on the 701/912 UL? I've looked in
my
information and have not found the prop length listed anywhere(could
just be me
being dense). I'm pretty much ready to order my prop but want to get
the
right length blades.
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch Builder
NW Ontario, Canada
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| Subject: | WD prop 701/912ul |
I have a 70" 3 blade WD on 912ul/701. I find it's a good combination needing
8-12' of pitch depending on desired performance. As discussed I found the
tips were too close to the ground so I added a 4" plug between the nose fork
and the strut. Works fine and also reduces the height of the tail to clear
the top of doors. Real help on skis.
For info.
Carl
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Pressure for Jabiru 3300 |
Most fuel pressure sensors are mounted in the Tee fitting and that cause
s very little turbulance in the fuel line. I would not be concerned abou
t its location. As for the fuel flow sensor they state you need straight
lines into and out of the transducer, I am sure in a perfect world that
would be optimum but space limitations usually dictate differently. I w
as not able to give my transducer thestraight in straight out plumbing a
nd it works great. In 60 gallons I have it caliberated to show about 59.
2 gallons used... Ps. I do have to change the cal numbers in the JPI 450
when I switch from auto fuel to 100 LL..
do not archive
Ben
IS/EFIS units. The latter has a Fuel Flow Option that requires at
least 5 inches of straight fuel line before entering the sensor and 2
inches after the sensor. There is about 15" between the firewall
where the fuel comes in and the fuel pump. While this is sufficient
distance to install a fuel pressure sensor and still meet the straight
line requirements, I am now wondering how important it is to have a
fuel pressure indication. On our last plane, a 601 HDS/3300 combo, it
seemed the fuel pressure indication was of little value.
Comments please.
Stan Challgren
701/Jab 3300/Grand Rapids
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Hello from the confused One -
I'm getting ready to drill the holes for the EGT on a Rotax 912 ULS
installed on the CH-701 with ring mount and need a little advice.
First - rotax recommends 100mm from the exhaust flange as the placement - if
I do this it will put the right probe around a 90 degree bend and the left
probe at a position upstream from where the bend is just starting. Rotax
refers to acceptable EGT values at the 100mm placement.
Second - I have the opportunity to put the probe on the inside of the bend
in a fore / aft orientation. This would keep the probe and wires out of the
way. Also I will have enough room to put the probes on the outside of the
exhaust pipes in a 90 degrees to longitudinal axis - if this all makes
sense. The is the way my 182 is rigged but am constantly hitting the wires
and probe during the usual fussing around in the engine compartment.
How have others done this?
Any ideas or caveats.
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: Warp drive prop |
Perhaps we like things to look nice, better than that black primer Warp
Drive uses. Plus there is the advisability/safety factor. A black prop
is totally invisible when spinning. And, I did talk to Warp Drive,
Duane me to do exactly what I described, i.e., use good paint, as little
as possible and balance it afterwards. Take care, Larry N1345L
Les Goldner wrote:
> Why paint it?
>
> The paint may come off with time and rain and you could have balance
> problems unless you are very careful. If you are really into painting the
> prop I would check with Warp Drive first.
>
> Les
>
>
>
> From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ronnie
> Koonce
> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 6:48 AM
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Warp drive prop
>
>
>
>
>
> Can you paint a Warp Drive prop? any drawbacks? Safety issues?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
>
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| Subject: | Re: Warp drive prop |
I agree with Larry. My black Warp Drive prop was nearly invisible from the
front when ideling. I painted white "safety strips" on the tip end on the
front side. From the safety point of view, this made all the difference in
the world.
Fritz
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry" <lrm@skyhawg.com>
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Warp drive prop
>
> Perhaps we like things to look nice, better than that black primer Warp
> Drive uses. Plus there is the advisability/safety factor. A black prop
> is totally invisible when spinning. And, I did talk to Warp Drive, Duane
> me to do exactly what I described, i.e., use good paint, as little as
> possible and balance it afterwards. Take care, Larry N1345L
>
> Les Goldner wrote:
>> Why paint it? The paint may come off with time and rain and you could
>> have balance
>> problems unless you are very careful. If you are really into painting the
>> prop I would check with Warp Drive first.
>>
>> Les
>>
>> From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ronnie
>> Koonce
>> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 6:48 AM
>> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Warp drive prop Can you paint a Warp
>> Drive prop? any drawbacks? Safety issues?
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
>
>
>
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