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1. 08:49 AM - Gasoline smell (Dan Wilde)
2. 09:51 AM - Re: Gasoline smell (Gordon)
3. 10:09 AM - Re: Gasoline smell (George Race)
4. 10:22 AM - Re: Flying to Oshkosh? (Jeffrey A Beachy)
5. 10:29 AM - Re: Gasoline smell (Antonio Pereira)
6. 10:56 AM - Re: Gasoline smell (BokKat)
7. 11:07 AM - Re: Gasoline smell (James Sagerser)
8. 12:56 PM - Re: Gasoline smell (jetboy)
9. 03:07 PM - Re: Gasoline smell (n801bh@netzero.com)
10. 03:20 PM - Wing Strut Fairing on 801 (Keystone Engineering LLC)
11. 04:18 PM - Re: Wing Strut Fairing on 801 (Les Goldner)
12. 04:29 PM - Re: Gasoline smell (Les Goldner)
13. 05:11 PM - Re: Gasoline smell (Dan Wilde)
14. 05:54 PM - Re: Wing Strut Fairing on 801 (John Swartout)
15. 06:58 PM - Wing Strut Fairing on 801 (Keystone Engineering LLC)
16. 08:23 PM - Re: Wing Strut Fairing on 801 (n801bh@netzero.com)
17. 08:37 PM - Re: Wing Strut Fairing on 801 (Ken Ryan)
18. 08:44 PM - Re: Wing Strut Fairing on 801 (MacDonald Doug)
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I am noticing a fairly strong odor of gas around my 701 when it is in
the hanger/shop. There is no evidence of leaks and the fuel level
appears normal. Is this just a normal odor from venting?
Dan Wilde
N948DW
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| Subject: | Re: Gasoline smell |
Dan,
I have the same issue in the cockpit when I first open the doors. It airs
out pretty fast, but I have checked, double checked and triple checked every
possible connector and hoses. I always shut my fuel off as well, and my
shutoff valves are up high in the baggage compartment, right after the lines
come in. I can't find anything and assume that the venting fumes are finding
there way into the cockpit. Beats me!
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Wilde" <dwilde@clearwire.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 11:48 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Gasoline smell
>
> I am noticing a fairly strong odor of gas around my 701 when it is in the
> hanger/shop. There is no evidence of leaks and the fuel level appears
> normal. Is this just a normal odor from venting?
>
> Dan Wilde N948DW
>
>
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Hi Dan:
A very small leak in a wing from the fuel outlet or fuel sender could be
causing the smell. If the leak is very small, just a few drops every hour
or so, it will evaporate and there will be no evidence of fuel running out
of the wing, but the telltale smell will find it's way out into the hangar
or even into the cockpit when the doors are closed.
If you have inspection openings on the bottom of your wings, you may want to
look inside for any signs of fuel residue near the outlet or fuel sender.
I would not consider it "normal" to smell fuel in the hangar from a parked
airplane.
George
-----Original Message-----
I am noticing a fairly strong odor of gas around my 701 when it is in the
hanger/shop. There is no evidence of leaks and the fuel level appears
normal. Is this just a normal odor from venting?
Dan Wilde
N948DW
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| Subject: | Re: Flying to Oshkosh? |
I flew to Oshkosh last year from Ohio in my 701 and camped in the
homebuilt camping area. I remember four 701's in homebuilt camping and an
amphib at the seaplane base, also from Ohio. I asked EAA about flying
into the ultralight and was strongly discouraged from doing so, only to
find several huge Aircams parked there. I ended up enjoying the homebult
camping area and was happy I stayed there. I met a lot of fellow builders
and potential builders that came around to look at the 701's and ask
questions.
Jeff Beachy
N701N
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| Subject: | Re: Gasoline smell |
Just remember:
Don't use a match to check !!
(sorry... I couldn't resist.)
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Race" <mykitairplane@mrrace.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 6:08 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Gasoline smell
<mykitairplane@mrrace.com>
>
> Hi Dan:
>
> A very small leak in a wing from the fuel outlet or fuel sender could
be
> causing the smell. If the leak is very small, just a few drops every
hour
> or so, it will evaporate and there will be no evidence of fuel running
out
> of the wing, but the telltale smell will find it's way out into the
hangar
> or even into the cockpit when the doors are closed.
>
> If you have inspection openings on the bottom of your wings, you may
want to
> look inside for any signs of fuel residue near the outlet or fuel
sender.
>
> I would not consider it "normal" to smell fuel in the hangar from a
parked
> airplane.
>
> George
>
> -----Original Message-----
> I am noticing a fairly strong odor of gas around my 701 when it is in
the
> hanger/shop. There is no evidence of leaks and the fuel level appears
> normal. Is this just a normal odor from venting?
>
> Dan Wilde
> N948DW
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Gasoline smell |
Mine smelled that way a bit for the first 15 - 20 hours and it gradually
went away. I looked everywhere to find any small leak, but came up with
nothing, though didn't try the match test!
Now I wonder if it is the aircraft equivalent of the 'new car smell?'
>From paint, engine not heated up very many times, new rubber and
upholstry, etc.
Jeff, why did they not want you to go to the ultralight area? That's
were I first got interested in the 701, the same year I flew down in my
Starduster too. I remember sitting in that hayfield camping area with
some buddies and watching a 701 doing T & G's every evening and I just
HAD to have one! Hah! So bought and built mine without ever even riding
in one!
In those days half the aircraft down there were the size of the 701,
some even bigger. Now with the Sport Pilot Aircraft all parked down at
the square in the square it is deader than an outside ND aircraft
engine in January down at the ultralight field.
----- Original Message -----
From: Antonio Pereira
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Gasoline smell
Just remember:
Don't use a match to check !!
(sorry... I couldn't resist.)
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Race" <mykitairplane@mrrace.com>
To: <zenith701801-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 6:08 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Gasoline smell
<mykitairplane@mrrace.com>
>
> Hi Dan:
>
> A very small leak in a wing from the fuel outlet or fuel sender
could be
> causing the smell. If the leak is very small, just a few drops
every hour
> or so, it will evaporate and there will be no evidence of fuel
running out
> of the wing, but the telltale smell will find it's way out into the
hangar
> or even into the cockpit when the doors are closed.
>
> If you have inspection openings on the bottom of your wings, you may
want to
> look inside for any signs of fuel residue near the outlet or fuel
sender.
>
> I would not consider it "normal" to smell fuel in the hangar from a
parked
> airplane.
>
> George
>
> -----Original Message-----
> I am noticing a fairly strong odor of gas around my 701 when it is
in the
> hanger/shop. There is no evidence of leaks and the fuel level
appears
> normal. Is this just a normal odor from venting?
>
> Dan Wilde
> N948DW
>
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| Subject: | Re: Gasoline smell |
I have a header tank installed under the dash of my Zenith 701 which has a
tiny pin leak. I can see the leak but can get s small amount of residue if
I wipe the area with my finger. Just enough to give the interior the J-3
nose tank smell. I love it. JS
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 11:55 AM, BokKat <bobkat@btinet.net> wrote:
> Mine smelled that way a bit for the first 15 - 20 hours and it gradually
> went away. I looked everywhere to find any small leak, but came up with
> nothing, though didn't try the match test!
> Now I wonder if it is the aircraft equivalent of the 'new car smell?' From
> paint, engine not heated up very many times, new rubber and upholstry, etc.
> Jeff, why did they not want you to go to the ultralight area? That's were
> I first got interested in the 701, the same year I flew down in my
> Starduster too. I remember sitting in that hayfield camping area with some
> buddies and watching a 701 doing T & G's every evening and I just HAD to
> have one! Hah! So bought and built mine without ever even riding in one!
> In those days half the aircraft down there were the size of the 701, some
> even bigger. Now with the Sport Pilot Aircraft all parked down at the
> square in the square it is deader than an outside ND aircraft engine in
> January down at the ultralight field.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Antonio Pereira <mendper@gmail.com>
> *To:* zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 08, 2009 12:27 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Zenith701801-List: Gasoline smell
>
> Just remember:
> Don't use a match to check !!
>
> *(sorry... I couldn't resist.)*
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "George Race" <mykitairplane@mrrace.com>
> To: <zenith701801-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 6:08 PM
> Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Gasoline smell
>
> mykitairplane@mrrace.com
> >
>
> >
> > Hi Dan:
> >
> > A very small leak in a wing from the fuel outlet or fuel sender could be
> > causing the smell. If the leak is very small, just a few drops every
> hour
> > or so, it will evaporate and there will be no evidence of fuel running
> out
> > of the wing, but the telltale smell will find it's way out into the
> hangar
> > or even into the cockpit when the doors are closed.
> >
> > If you have inspection openings on the bottom of your wings, you may want
> to
> > look inside for any signs of fuel residue near the outlet or fuel sender.
> >
> > I would not consider it "normal" to smell fuel in the hangar from a
> parked
> > airplane.
> >
> > George
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > I am noticing a fairly strong odor of gas around my 701 when it is in the
> > hanger/shop. There is no evidence of leaks and the fuel level appears
> > normal. Is this just a normal odor from venting?
> >
> > Dan Wilde
> > N948DW
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| Subject: | Re: Gasoline smell |
When refuelling if you get any overflow or splash it runs down the side of the
filler directly into the wing. some days later leaving black oily residue on the
underside seams and around the drains. from time to time I have smelt it, after
such a refuelling spillage, normally the smell is gone after a week or so.
The drains also are prone to seep if not manually reseated after use to make
sure they stay dry.
Ralph
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Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Gasoline smell |
My 801 does the same thing, altho I did install additional vents under t
he wing probably adds to the smell... I don't really notice as much with
100LL but with auto fuel it does give off a smell of gas fumes....
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- Dan Wilde <dwilde@clearwire.net> wrote:
>
I am noticing a fairly strong odor of gas around my 701 when it is in
the hanger/shop. There is no evidence of leaks and the fuel level
appears normal. Is this just a normal odor from venting?
Dan Wilde
N948DW
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| Subject: | Wing Strut Fairing on 801 |
Hi
I did see a small increase in speed when I installed the strut fairings.
The problem I have is when I get the plane stuck and try to push it forward
the trailing edge cuts into your hand. If I did not have so many other
projects I would probably remove the wing strut fairings.
Bill Wilcox
N801BW
400 hrs
Valdez, AK
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| Subject: | Wing Strut Fairing on 801 |
Guess our experiences are very different Bill.
I got a lot more than an just an insignificant increased speed from the
fairings. Also, pushing the plane is no problem with fairings built from
.025 6061 aluminum bent tight around the struts in a teardrop shape and held
with solid rivets. Did you use thinner material? Consider adding a small
streamlined handle grip on one lower longeron about a foot forward of the
stab to push from.
Les
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Keystone
Engineering LLC
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 3:19 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Wing Strut Fairing on 801
<keystone@gci.net>
Hi
I did see a small increase in speed when I installed the strut fairings.
The problem I have is when I get the plane stuck and try to push it forward
the trailing edge cuts into your hand. If I did not have so many other
projects I would probably remove the wing strut fairings.
Bill Wilcox
N801BW
400 hrs
Valdez, AK
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Ditto regarding the smell Dan.
In my case the odor disappears as soon as I open the doors. I can't find a
leak anywhere and assumed it is coming from a less-than-pinhole size leak in
the cheap 2-way fuel control valves hung in my cockpit near each wing root.
The smell has been noticed since I first fueled the 701, 160-hours & 1-year
ago.
I read the other's comments and know that fuel can get into the wing when
fueling if you are not careful. George suggested that the fuel level sender
unit could be the culprit. Mine are the old type installed on top of the
tanks so there is less change of leakage, but I may open the access to check
them some day but there is no tell tale residue to indicate this.
Pls let us know if you find the cause.
Les
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Wilde
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 8:48 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Gasoline smell
I am noticing a fairly strong odor of gas around my 701 when it is in
the hanger/shop. There is no evidence of leaks and the fuel level
appears normal. Is this just a normal odor from venting?
Dan Wilde
N948DW
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| Subject: | Re: Gasoline smell |
Thanks to all that responded to my question. The smell is annoying but
does go away when the plane is moved outside. I think I will install an
inspection port on the bottom of the wing just so I have access to the
fuel line connection without having to remove the wing.
Dan Wilde
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Strut Fairing on 801 |
Bill,, instead of pushing/pulling on the struts, could you use a short rope
on the tie-down rings to horse a stuck airplane out of the muck?
Also, spreading this thread, has anybody used the plastic strut fairings
made in North Port, Florida and sold at
http://www.ultralightnews.com/sunfun2000/streamlinedstruts.htm ?
John
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Keystone Engineering LLC
<keystone@gci.net>wrote:
> keystone@gci.net>
>
> Hi
>
> I did see a small increase in speed when I installed the strut fairings.
> The problem I have is when I get the plane stuck and try to push it forward
> the trailing edge cuts into your hand. If I did not have so many other
> projects I would probably remove the wing strut fairings.
>
> Bill Wilcox
> N801BW
> 400 hrs
> Valdez, AK
>
>
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| Subject: | Wing Strut Fairing on 801 |
Les
I used the factory fairings. The rear comes to a sharp point. It seems I'm
either trying to get the plane out of the hanger up onto the snow and ice
outside. It normally is slippery in front of the plane. I normally am
pushing from the concrete floor inside. You end up not only pushing but
also lifting. The other place is out on a beach and I am stuck in the soft
sand. The closer to the center line you push the less turning tendency you
have to overcome. I probably should just cut the fairing off the lower
couple of feet of the rear strut.
I suspect I fly my 801 differently than most. I would not call myself a bush
pilot but I normally try to log over half my landings off airport. One of
the things I do is layout the strip and provide traffic control for on the
beach for the May Day Fly in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWS_buG3eSK
The handle in front of stabilizer would probably work, although I'm not sure
the lower longeron would be strong enough or if I could get enough leverage.
I know I use to bend the tubes in my PA-22/20 when I was pushing the placer
around with the big Atlee Dodge handles I installed. You could get both
hands in the big ones. I suspect the tubes in the pacer were stronger than
the longerons in the 801.
It would be easer on the hands than hanging off the rear of the empennage to
turn the plane as I do now. I'm not sure what will happen if I loose a few
more pounds. I don't know if anyone else turns their plane this way. I
have a nose steering device in the hanger but out in the field I normally
hang from the back to lift the nose to spin the plane around.
Bill Wilcox
N801BW
400 hrs
Valdez, AK
Guess our experiences are very different Bill.
I got a lot more than an just an insignificant increased speed from the
fairings. Also, pushing the plane is no problem with fairings built from
.025 6061 aluminum bent tight around the struts in a teardrop shape and held
with solid rivets. Did you use thinner material? Consider adding a small
streamlined handle grip on one lower longeron about a foot forward of the
stab to push from.
Les
Hi
I did see a small increase in speed when I installed the strut fairings.
The problem I have is when I get the plane stuck and try to push it forward
the trailing edge cuts into your hand. If I did not have so many other
projects I would probably remove the wing strut fairings.
Bill Wilcox
N801BW
400 hrs
Valdez, AK
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Strut Fairing on 801 |
I was going to use those on my 801,,, I emailed them twice and got no re
sponse each time... Anyone else had any luck contacting them ?
do not archive
Ben Haas
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com
-- John Swartout <jgswartout@gmail.com> wrote:
Bill,, instead of pushing/pulling on the struts, could you use a short
rope on the tie-down rings to horse a stuck airplane out of the muck? Al
so, spreading this thread, has anybody used the plastic strut fairings m
ade in North Port, Florida and sold at http://www.ultralightnews.com/sun
fun2000/streamlinedstruts.htm ? John
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Keystone Engineering LLC <keystone@gci.n
et> wrote:
one@gci.net>
Hi
I did see a small increase in speed when I installed the strut fairings.
The problem I have is when I get the plane stuck and try to push it forw
ard
the trailing edge cuts into your hand. If I did not have so many other
projects I would probably remove the wing strut fairings.
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Strut Fairing on 801 |
This may be a silly suggestion, but what about a pair of leather work
gloves?
On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Keystone Engineering LLC
<keystone@gci.net>wrote:
> keystone@gci.net>
>
> Les
>
> I used the factory fairings. The rear comes to a sharp point. It seems
> I'm
> either trying to get the plane out of the hanger up onto the snow and ice
> outside. It normally is slippery in front of the plane. I normally am
> pushing from the concrete floor inside. You end up not only pushing but
> also lifting. The other place is out on a beach and I am stuck in the soft
> sand. The closer to the center line you push the less turning tendency you
> have to overcome. I probably should just cut the fairing off the lower
> couple of feet of the rear strut.
>
> I suspect I fly my 801 differently than most. I would not call myself a
> bush
> pilot but I normally try to log over half my landings off airport. One of
> the things I do is layout the strip and provide traffic control for on the
> beach for the May Day Fly in.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWS_buG3eSK
>
>
> The handle in front of stabilizer would probably work, although I'm not
> sure
> the lower longeron would be strong enough or if I could get enough
> leverage.
> I know I use to bend the tubes in my PA-22/20 when I was pushing the placer
> around with the big Atlee Dodge handles I installed. You could get both
> hands in the big ones. I suspect the tubes in the pacer were stronger than
> the longerons in the 801.
>
> It would be easer on the hands than hanging off the rear of the empennage
> to
> turn the plane as I do now. I'm not sure what will happen if I loose a few
> more pounds. I don't know if anyone else turns their plane this way. I
> have a nose steering device in the hanger but out in the field I normally
> hang from the back to lift the nose to spin the plane around.
>
>
> Bill Wilcox
> N801BW
> 400 hrs
> Valdez, AK
>
>
> Guess our experiences are very different Bill.
> I got a lot more than an just an insignificant increased speed from the
> fairings. Also, pushing the plane is no problem with fairings built from
> .025 6061 aluminum bent tight around the struts in a teardrop shape and
> held
> with solid rivets. Did you use thinner material? Consider adding a small
> streamlined handle grip on one lower longeron about a foot forward of the
> stab to push from.
> Les
>
> Hi
>
> I did see a small increase in speed when I installed the strut fairings.
> The problem I have is when I get the plane stuck and try to push it forward
> the trailing edge cuts into your hand. If I did not have so many other
> projects I would probably remove the wing strut fairings.
>
> Bill Wilcox
> N801BW
> 400 hrs
> Valdez, AK
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Strut Fairing on 801 |
I seem to remember Lockwood in Florida selling the same stuff.
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch Builder
NW Ontario, Canada
Do not archive
> I was going to use those on my 801,,, I emailed them twice
> and got no response each time... Anyone else had any luck
> contacting them ?
> do not archive
>
>
> Ben Haas
> N801BH
> www.haaspowerair.com
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