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2. 07:34 AM - Re: Aircraft Painting (Larry)
3. 08:04 AM - Re: Aircraft Painting (ZodieRocket)
4. 09:10 AM - Re: 701 California flyers (ricklach)
5. 07:39 PM - Re: Aircraft Painting (Larry)
6. 08:49 PM - How big is the kit? (Benjamin Q)
7. 10:12 PM - Matco wheel set (Curt Thompson)
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| Subject: | 701 Steering rod boots |
The steering rod boots are: Yamaha part # 8CR2195e
Rich Hartwig
N701ZH ready to rivet first wing
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Painting |
You just assumed that, "I'd think keeping with not being a
professional.". You are right with you suggestions for a non
professional/backyard painter doing the job, maybe even a little high.
I certainly don't take offense because you intended none. You just
don't know me.
I'm certainly not trying to be pompous and anyone who knows me will tell
you I don't have a pompous bone in my body. But, I don't think it hurts
to tell you and the others a little about my painting back ground. So
that when I give an opinion about painting it comes from many years of
experience, mostly professional. I'm not always right, but I didn't
just read it somewhere either.
I have painted four of my aircraft one of which won Rotorcraft Grand
Champion in 2001. I have painted 500+ cars professional for individuals
and dealers. I have all the facilities and equipment. Being retired,
I'd rather be doing something else, but this guy will need his plane
painted and I don't know what to charge. I don't want to rip him off
but at the same time it is a lot of work and time involved to do it
right, and there ain't no other way but right. More suggestions please?.
Larry, N1345L
LarryMcFarland wrote:
> <larry@macsmachine.com>
>
> Larry,
> I'd price my time and let the materials selected by the owner finish the
> cost to him. I'd think keeping with not being a professional,
> you'd price your time at something between $2500 and $3000. If you're
> not prepping the plane, move that down to $1000 to $1500.
>
> Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>
> Larry wrote:
>>
>> I am trying to get an idea as to how much to charge to paint a fellow
>> builders 750. I have painted cars professionally for years and of
>> course painted my own plane, SkyHawg. I want to be reasonable, but at
>> the same time I'm not doing it for fun or to have something to do.
>>
>> So, I was wondering about how much some of you have paid to have your
>> planes "PROFESSIONAL PAINTED", including all materials?
>>
>> If some of you could help me out, I would appreciate it.
>>
>> Larry, N1345L
>>
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| Subject: | Aircraft Painting |
Larry, no one can rightly answer that question for you, the average paint
job Is anywhere's from 4K-8K. Nevertheless you have painted several planes
in the past, you know the time involved, with 500+ cars behind you then you
know your quality, as I read your letter you have more experience then
anyone on the list and are best Qualified to answer your own question. Sit
down figure the time you will put into it then multiply it by the value of
your life experience and the quality of your personal time, also add in a
flavor of friendship or acquaintance. You will come out with a # that is
appropriate for you to charge. IF the fellow agrees then your both happy, I
the does not agree then you can discuss it or move on to your own project
and be happy not to have to do all that work for someone else.
I have the experience myself to paint the interior of a plane with an HVLP,
however I do not have the facilities or the personal ability to do a
professional job in shop. I farm out the paint job all the time. I had a
local Farm equipment company do a job and it was one of the better works
which cost me $1500 for them to just shoot it, I did all prep work, I had a
local chap like yourself do a job for $4500 and he did all the work . I used
a collision center and the total was $7,000 all this Is in Canadian funds if
that makes a difference.
I hope this reference helps a bit. However, honestly only you know the value
of your retirement time.
Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
Zodiac CH650 C-GOXL, CH701 Rotax 912,
STOL CH750 Just started
www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Aircraft Painting
You just assumed that, "I'd think keeping with not being a
professional.". You are right with you suggestions for a non
professional/backyard painter doing the job, maybe even a little high.
I certainly don't take offense because you intended none. You just
don't know me.
I'm certainly not trying to be pompous and anyone who knows me will tell
you I don't have a pompous bone in my body. But, I don't think it hurts
to tell you and the others a little about my painting back ground. So
that when I give an opinion about painting it comes from many years of
experience, mostly professional. I'm not always right, but I didn't
just read it somewhere either.
I have painted four of my aircraft one of which won Rotorcraft Grand
Champion in 2001. I have painted 500+ cars professional for individuals
and dealers. I have all the facilities and equipment. Being retired,
I'd rather be doing something else, but this guy will need his plane
painted and I don't know what to charge. I don't want to rip him off
but at the same time it is a lot of work and time involved to do it
right, and there ain't no other way but right. More suggestions please?.
Larry, N1345L
LarryMcFarland wrote:
> <larry@macsmachine.com>
>
> Larry,
> I'd price my time and let the materials selected by the owner finish the
> cost to him. I'd think keeping with not being a professional,
> you'd price your time at something between $2500 and $3000. If you're
> not prepping the plane, move that down to $1000 to $1500.
>
> Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>
> Larry wrote:
>>
>> I am trying to get an idea as to how much to charge to paint a fellow
>> builders 750. I have painted cars professionally for years and of
>> course painted my own plane, SkyHawg. I want to be reasonable, but at
>> the same time I'm not doing it for fun or to have something to do.
>>
>> So, I was wondering about how much some of you have paid to have your
>> planes "PROFESSIONAL PAINTED", including all materials?
>>
>> If some of you could help me out, I would appreciate it.
>>
>> Larry, N1345L
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>
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| Subject: | Re: 701 California flyers |
Hello Les,
Thank you for your gracious invitation. I would like to accompany your group on
some outings this summer. If you could, please send me your e-mail address and
a phone number to rick@ravenaviation.us so I can follow up. I must say I am
very disappointed in the lack of response to my posting, yours was the only
one. I thought there would be some 701 fliers in Calif that would like to do some
back country flying.
Rick
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Rick
N35 26.700, W118 16.743
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233161#233161
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Painting |
Thanks for the advice, but what I was really after was what people have
actually paid so I could feel that I was giving him a fair price and at
the same time not shorting myself to much. Painting cars and airplanes
are apples and oranges. Most cars per square foot take a lot more prep
that a newly build airplane. You really can't make a comparison. And
when I painted my aircrafts, I did it piece meal and didn't keep track
of time involved. So you see how much easier it is to ask around than
pull a price out of my head? That's my rationale. Take care, Larry, N1345L
ZodieRocket wrote:
>
> Larry, no one can rightly answer that question for you, the average paint
> job Is anywhere's from 4K-8K. Nevertheless you have painted several planes
> in the past, you know the time involved, with 500+ cars behind you then you
> know your quality, as I read your letter you have more experience then
> anyone on the list and are best Qualified to answer your own question. Sit
> down figure the time you will put into it then multiply it by the value of
> your life experience and the quality of your personal time, also add in a
> flavor of friendship or acquaintance. You will come out with a # that is
> appropriate for you to charge. IF the fellow agrees then your both happy, I
> the does not agree then you can discuss it or move on to your own project
> and be happy not to have to do all that work for someone else.
>
> I have the experience myself to paint the interior of a plane with an HVLP,
> however I do not have the facilities or the personal ability to do a
> professional job in shop. I farm out the paint job all the time. I had a
> local Farm equipment company do a job and it was one of the better works
> which cost me $1500 for them to just shoot it, I did all prep work, I had a
> local chap like yourself do a job for $4500 and he did all the work . I used
> a collision center and the total was $7,000 all this Is in Canadian funds if
> that makes a difference.
>
> I hope this reference helps a bit. However, honestly only you know the value
> of your retirement time.
>
> Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario
> Zodiac CH650 C-GOXL, CH701 Rotax 912,
> STOL CH750 Just started
> www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:33 AM
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Aircraft Painting
>
>
> You just assumed that, "I'd think keeping with not being a
> professional.". You are right with you suggestions for a non
> professional/backyard painter doing the job, maybe even a little high.
> I certainly don't take offense because you intended none. You just
> don't know me.
>
> I'm certainly not trying to be pompous and anyone who knows me will tell
> you I don't have a pompous bone in my body. But, I don't think it hurts
> to tell you and the others a little about my painting back ground. So
> that when I give an opinion about painting it comes from many years of
> experience, mostly professional. I'm not always right, but I didn't
> just read it somewhere either.
>
> I have painted four of my aircraft one of which won Rotorcraft Grand
> Champion in 2001. I have painted 500+ cars professional for individuals
> and dealers. I have all the facilities and equipment. Being retired,
> I'd rather be doing something else, but this guy will need his plane
> painted and I don't know what to charge. I don't want to rip him off
> but at the same time it is a lot of work and time involved to do it
> right, and there ain't no other way but right. More suggestions please?.
>
> Larry, N1345L
>
> LarryMcFarland wrote:
>> <larry@macsmachine.com>
>>
>> Larry,
>> I'd price my time and let the materials selected by the owner finish the
>> cost to him. I'd think keeping with not being a professional,
>> you'd price your time at something between $2500 and $3000. If you're
>> not prepping the plane, move that down to $1000 to $1500.
>>
>> Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>>
>> Larry wrote:
>>>
>>> I am trying to get an idea as to how much to charge to paint a fellow
>>> builders 750. I have painted cars professionally for years and of
>>> course painted my own plane, SkyHawg. I want to be reasonable, but at
>>> the same time I'm not doing it for fun or to have something to do.
>>>
>>> So, I was wondering about how much some of you have paid to have your
>>> planes "PROFESSIONAL PAINTED", including all materials?
>>>
>>> If some of you could help me out, I would appreciate it.
>>>
>>> Larry, N1345L
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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| Subject: | How big is the kit? |
I bought a kit and delivery is due in weeks, but I am thinking about picking up
my 701 instead of having it shipped. I was a little surprised at the rates I
would have to pay for a u-haul. I think when you count the truck, the airline
ticket to get there and the gas I would end up spending around 1800 to 2000.
This would be about the same cost I pay for having the kit crated and shipped.
Anyway, I have a wagon with a lot of space. By looking at the pictures on the
website I think I could fit all of the kit in my car except for the larger skins
and spar. I am thinking about putting a box on my car for the longer pieces
and throwing everything else inside.
So my question to you good forum folks is : How big is the kit? Does anyone
have a picture of a single kit ready for pickup? Is this a crazy idea? Any other
ideas?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233295#233295
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I'm thinking of ordering the "MATCO WHEEL SET w/SP. CALIPERS, w/TUBELESS
TIRES" (CUSAAU-40D, $1046.45). What comes with this? Does it include the
master cylinder? I'll call ZAC tomorrow but I figured I'd get a head start
on figuring this out.
Curt
Plans building, CH701
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