---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith701801-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 03/05/09: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:56 AM - Re: Matco wheel set (Harvey Richards) 2. 04:38 AM - Re: How big is the kit? (Art Gibeaut) 3. 05:11 AM - Re: How big is the kit? (BokKat) 4. 05:33 AM - Re: 701steering boots (Dwight Early) 5. 07:21 AM - Re: Aircraft Painting (LarryMcFarland) 6. 07:33 AM - Re: How big is the kit? (LarryMcFarland) 7. 07:48 AM - Re: How big is the kit? (Larry) 8. 08:15 AM - Re: How big is the kit? (sonar1@cox.net) 9. 08:35 AM - Re: Re: How big is the kit? (Ken Ryan) 10. 09:17 AM - How Big is the 701 Kit (Stanley Challgren) 11. 11:12 AM - Re: 701 in a Suburban (Zed Smith) 12. 12:02 PM - Re: How big is the kit? (Benjamin Q) 13. 12:17 PM - Re: Re: How big is the kit? (Craig Payne) 14. 12:18 PM - =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9p=2E_=3A_Zenith701801-List=3A_Re=3A_How_big_is_the_kit?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3F? (Jean-Paul Roy) 15. 03:32 PM - =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:__R=E9p._:_Zenith701801-List:_Re:_How?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_big_is_the_kit=3F? (Charles Chappell) 16. 04:11 PM - Re: Re: How big is the kit? (JohnDRead@aol.com) 17. 05:23 PM - Re: Re: How big is the kit? (John Marzulli) 18. 08:34 PM - Re: How big is the kit? (JohnDRead@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:56:39 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Matco wheel set From: "Harvey Richards" It should come with the 2 master cylinders,one for each brake pedal/wheel -------- CH 701 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233313#233313 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:38:31 AM PST US From: Art Gibeaut Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: How big is the kit? I built a simple 2x6 framed plywood box that was 4 ft by 12 ft and set it on top of my borrowed open trailer. Most of the parts went in my Yukon and the skins and spars went in the trailer box and then I just screwed the top plywood on at the factory. I picked it up in two trips, but I doubt you'd get the whole kit in one trip. The Fuse and Cabin parts are pretty bulky. Good luck. Do not archive ----- Original Message ---- From: Benjamin Q Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2009 10:49:13 PM Subject: Zenith701801-List: How big is the kit? I bought a kit and delivery is due in weeks, but I am thinking about picking up my 701 instead of having it shipped. I was a little surprised at the rates I would have to pay for a u-haul. I think when you count the truck, the airline ticket to get there and the gas I would end up spending around 1800 to 2000. This would be about the same cost I pay for having the kit crated and shipped. Anyway, I have a wagon with a lot of space. By looking at the pictures on the website I think I could fit all of the kit in my car except for the larger skins and spar. I am thinking about putting a box on my car for the longer pieces and throwing everything else inside. So my question to you good forum folks is : How big is the kit? Does anyone have a picture of a single kit ready for pickup? Is this a crazy idea? Any other ideas? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233295#233295 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:11:04 AM PST US From: "BokKat" Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: How big is the kit? I bought my kit from a guy in Oklahoma who had unpacked it but barely any of it was started. Rudder and a wing started. Because it was unpacked it took more room than a ready to haul kit, but it still took a lot of space. I hauled it back in a 4 horse horsetrailer and a 4 door pickup and the trailer was pretty full and the back of the truck was full, too. A crated kit would be smaller, but still big. As Art said, I doubt you could haul it in a single trip with a car or SUV. I'd borrow or rent a cargo trailer. U haul is expensive, but often you can rent a cargo trailer at tool places much cheaper. With the economy tanking you might be able to rent one from a private individual or contracter through an ad in the paper. If you see one for sale in the paper you could offer to rent it from the seller. Or rent a used horse trailer from some dealer. Sales are slow for them. Where are you located? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Benjamin Q" Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 10:49 PM Subject: Zenith701801-List: How big is the kit? > > > I bought a kit and delivery is due in weeks, but I am thinking about > picking up my 701 instead of having it shipped. I was a little surprised > at the rates I would have to pay for a u-haul. I think when you count the > truck, the airline ticket to get there and the gas I would end up spending > around 1800 to 2000. This would be about the same cost I pay for having > the kit crated and shipped. > Anyway, I have a wagon with a lot of space. By looking at the pictures > on the website I think I could fit all of the kit in my car except for the > larger skins and spar. I am thinking about putting a box on my car for > the longer pieces and throwing everything else inside. > So my question to you good forum folks is : How big is the kit? Does > anyone have a picture of a single kit ready for pickup? Is this a crazy > idea? Any other ideas? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233295#233295 > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:11 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701steering boots From: "Dwight Early" Sorry for the slow reply. Just put in steering boots under the main page and you will get all kinds of different ones. Looks like several of them would work. -------- Dwight Early Kitfox 1/532 Zenith CH701/Revmaster Daleville, In Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233326#233326 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:21:16 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Aircraft Painting Hi Larry, There is a shop northeast of here that has painted a good number of light aircraft for $6K to $9K (RV size planes) and that money is their living. They are scheduled ahead and it takes a month or two after you bring the plane in. I painted my aircraft, having worked in the auto refinishing business as a kid, but prep and paint still took from April to November to get it done for $2800. To price yourself within the envelope with paint material prices at nearly $1500 and more, there isnt a large area to work within if you want the work. If you enjoy the work, that helps a lot anyway. If youre going for competitive quality, the time you spend will use up the extra made from a high quote as well. As Mark says, the price has to be your decision. I do appreciate the question as we all find it necessary to ask, even ourselves. Its sometimes impossible to be charitable, make it worthwhile and still feel like its worth doing when ones tasks are based on a high standard of workmanship. Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com Do not archive Larry wrote: > > Thanks for the advice, but what I was really after was what people > have actually paid so I could feel that I was giving him a fair price > and at the same time not shorting myself to much. Painting cars and > airplanes are apples and oranges. Most cars per square foot take a lot > more prep that a newly build airplane. You really can't make a > comparison. And when I painted my aircrafts, I did it piece meal and > didn't keep track of time involved. So you see how much easier it is > to ask around than pull a price out of my head? That's my rationale. > Take care, Larry, N1345L > > > ZodieRocket wrote: >> >> >> Larry, no one can rightly answer that question for you, the average >> paint >> job Is anywhere's from 4K-8K. Nevertheless you have painted several >> planes >> in the past, you know the time involved, with 500+ cars behind you >> then you >> know your quality, as I read your letter you have more experience then >> anyone on the list and are best Qualified to answer your own >> question. Sit >> down figure the time you will put into it then multiply it by the >> value of >> your life experience and the quality of your personal time, also add >> in a >> flavor of friendship or acquaintance. You will come out with a # that is >> appropriate for you to charge. IF the fellow agrees then your both >> happy, I >> the does not agree then you can discuss it or move on to your own >> project >> and be happy not to have to do all that work for someone else. >> I have the experience myself to paint the interior of a plane with an >> HVLP, >> however I do not have the facilities or the personal ability to do a >> professional job in shop. I farm out the paint job all the time. I had a >> local Farm equipment company do a job and it was one of the better works >> which cost me $1500 for them to just shoot it, I did all prep work, I >> had a >> local chap like yourself do a job for $4500 and he did all the work . >> I used >> a collision center and the total was $7,000 all this Is in Canadian >> funds if >> that makes a difference. >> >> I hope this reference helps a bit. However, honestly only you know >> the value >> of your retirement time. >> >> Mark Townsend Alma, Ontario >> Zodiac CH650 C-GOXL, CH701 Rotax 912, >> STOL CH750 Just started ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:33:53 AM PST US From: LarryMcFarland Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: How big is the kit? Bengamin, You're going to wreck your car. Go buy a small trailer, 4 x 8, foldable Taiwan product and stand it up in your garage at one end. I've got one and have used it for over 20 years to haul engines, railroad ties and kids to and from college each year. It will be cheaper than renting in the long run. Larry McFarland 601HDS at www. macsmachine.com Benjamin Q wrote: > > I bought a kit and delivery is due in weeks, but I am thinking about picking up my 701 instead of having it shipped. I was a little surprised at the rates I would have to pay for a u-haul. I think when you count the truck, the airline ticket to get there and the gas I would end up spending around 1800 to 2000. This would be about the same cost I pay for having the kit crated and shipped. > Anyway, I have a wagon with a lot of space. By looking at the pictures on the website I think I could fit all of the kit in my car except for the larger skins and spar. I am thinking about putting a box on my car for the longer pieces and throwing everything else inside. > So my question to you good forum folks is : How big is the kit? Does anyone have a picture of a single kit ready for pickup? Is this a crazy idea? Any other ideas? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233295#233295 > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:48:38 AM PST US From: Larry Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: How big is the kit? You can do it in a long wheel base pickup. No piece is over 8'. Just have tarps and ropes/straps. They furnish cardboard to put between pieces. Take care, Larry, N1345L Benjamin Q wrote: > > I bought a kit and delivery is due in weeks, but I am thinking about picking up my 701 instead of having it shipped. I was a little surprised at the rates I would have to pay for a u-haul. I think when you count the truck, the airline ticket to get there and the gas I would end up spending around 1800 to 2000. This would be about the same cost I pay for having the kit crated and shipped. > Anyway, I have a wagon with a lot of space. By looking at the pictures on the website I think I could fit all of the kit in my car except for the larger skins and spar. I am thinking about putting a box on my car for the longer pieces and throwing everything else inside. > So my question to you good forum folks is : How big is the kit? Does anyone have a picture of a single kit ready for pickup? Is this a crazy idea? Any other ideas? > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233295#233295 > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:15:10 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: How big is the kit? From: "sonar1@cox.net" Benjamin: I had my 701 and engine delivered to the local freight office, and it only cost $450 in 2004. Zenith has a great discount with Yellow Freight. When they shipped my 601XL with engine in 2006, it only cost $549 Missouri to California. When we were in Mexico, Mo, we talked to the local U-haul people, and they wanted $2000 to rent a trailer that it would fit. NO WAY! I am sure the prices are greater now, but I would NEVER consider trailering it the whole way. I used a 17 foot U-haul truck for half a day to get it home.......Fred N9701 N9601 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233356#233356 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:35:20 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: How big is the kit? From: Ken Ryan It only cost me 1076.11 to have the entire 750 kit shipped all the way to my shop door in Alaska. This was a very good price on shipping. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 7:14 AM, sonar1@cox.net wrote: > > Benjamin: > I had my 701 and engine delivered to the local freight office, and it only > cost $450 in 2004. Zenith has a great discount with Yellow Freight. > When they shipped my 601XL with engine in 2006, it only cost $549 Missouri > to California. > When we were in Mexico, Mo, we talked to the local U-haul people, and they > wanted $2000 to rent a trailer that it would fit. NO WAY! > I am sure the prices are greater now, but I would NEVER consider > trailering it the whole way. > I used a 17 foot U-haul truck for half a day to get it home.......Fred > N9701 N9601 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233356#233356 > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:37 AM PST US From: Stanley Challgren Subject: Zenith701801-List: How Big is the 701 Kit Benjamin: I brought my 701 home in the back of my Suburban and had lots of room left over. The skins are all rolled up so take up very little room. I have attached a picture of my Suburban loaded with a 701 kit. Stan ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:12:57 AM PST US From: Zed Smith Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 in a Suburban do not archive Nice packing job.......if you also have photos from the front & sides maybe ZAC would post them. In the late 90's they put one in a small (Toyota) long-bed pickup with a camper top on it. Seriously, though...anybody picking up their kit in an open vehicle should be aware of possible wind damage and loss of parts. Enclosed transport is the only way to go. Regards to all Zed/701/912/90+%/77 degrees in North Texas, winds S @ 25/gusts to 40. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:02:16 PM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: How big is the kit? From: "Benjamin Q" First of all, wow what a response. Thank you all for your quick advise. I figure I need to explain my plan in detail. I have an old super-reliable honda civic wagon. It actually has quite a bit of room. I can lay a 8 foot board in with room to spare when I take out the passenger seat. I can fit a washer and dryer in the back and close the hatch. So the plan was to build a 4x6x12 box and mount it on the roof and put everything else inside. I'm now wondering if I could put the rolled up skins on the inside and use one of the smaller u-haul trailers for everything else that won't fit. Unfortunately I don't have a truck, so I can't really use the bigger trailers. Some friends have trucks, but it's hard to ask to borrow someones truck for 4000 miles of driving. I'm just trying to figure out a way around this. It just seems like the prices are a more then a little high. By the way I'm in Twentynine Palms, CA -Ben Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233377#233377 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:17:53 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Re: How big is the kit? Have you investigated picking up the kit at Quality Sport Planes in northern California? They are the Zenith dealer for the west coast(run by Chris Heintz'a son Michael). That is where I picked up my 601XL quick-build kit. -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Benjamin Q Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:02 PM Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: How big is the kit? First of all, wow what a response. Thank you all for your quick advise. I figure I need to explain my plan in detail. I have an old super-reliable honda civic wagon. It actually has quite a bit of room. I can lay a 8 foot board in with room to spare when I take out the passenger seat. I can fit a washer and dryer in the back and close the hatch. So the plan was to build a 4x6x12 box and mount it on the roof and put everything else inside. I'm now wondering if I could put the rolled up skins on the inside and use one of the smaller u-haul trailers for everything else that won't fit. Unfortunately I don't have a truck, so I can't really use the bigger trailers. Some friends have trucks, but it's hard to ask to borrow someones truck for 4000 miles of driving. I'm just trying to figure out a way around this. It just seems like the prices are a more then a little high. By the way I'm in Twentynine Palms, CA -Ben Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233377#233377 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:18:08 PM PST US From: Jean-Paul Roy Subject: Zenith701801-List: =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9p=2E_=3A_Zenith701801-List=3A_Re=3A_How_big_is_the_kit?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3F? For a 4000 miles trip, I would just pay the- freight. But, it is just my 2 cents Jean-Paul Roy --- En date de-: Jeu, 5.3.09, Benjamin Q a =E9cri t-: De: Benjamin Q Objet: Zenith701801-List: Re: How big is the kit? =C0: zenith701801-list@matronics.com First of all, wow what a response. Thank you all for your quick advise. I figure I need to explain my plan in detail. I have an old super-reliable h onda civic wagon. It actually has quite a bit of room. I can lay a 8 foot boar d in with room to spare when I take out the passenger seat. I can fit a washer and dryer in the back and close the hatch. So the plan was to build a 4x6x12 box and mount it on the roof and put everything else inside. I'm now wondering if I could put the rolled up skins on the inside and use one of the smaller u-haul trailers for everythi ng else that won't fit. Unfortunately I don't have a truck, so I can't really use the bigger trailers. Some friends have trucks, but it's hard to ask to borrow someones truck for 4000 miles of driving. I'm just trying to figure out a way around this. It just seems like the prices are a more then a little high. By the way I'm in Twentynine Palms, CA -Ben Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233377#233377 =0A=0A=0A D=E9couvrez les styles qui font sensation sur Yahoo! Qu=E9be c Avatars.=0Ahttp://cf.avatars.yahoo.com/ ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:32:36 PM PST US From: "Charles Chappell" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_Zenith701801-List:_R=E9p._:_Zenith701801-List:_Re:_How?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?_big_is_the_kit=3F? Ben, Probably common sense says pay the freight, but I must confess, it sounds like an adventure.. I live in Costa Mesa, CA and have considered the same trip for the rest of my kit. I bought the tail and paid the freight last year. Plus it would give you the opportunity to visit the factory. When we started on the RV-8 several years ago we went to VAN=92s and toured the factory. It gives you a sense of connection you might need when you are 90% done with 90% to go. On the other hand, that sure is a long drive. Charles Chappell From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Paul Roy Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:18 PM Subject: Zenith701801-List: R=E9p. : Zenith701801-List: Re: How big is the kit? For a 4000 miles trip, I would just pay the freight. But, it is just my 2 cents Jean-Paul Roy --- En date de : Jeu, 5.3.09, Benjamin Q a =E9crit : De: Benjamin Q Objet: Zenith701801-List: Re: How big is the kit? =C0: zenith701801-list@matronics.com First of all, wow what a response. Thank you all for your quick advise. I figure I need to explain my plan in detail. I have an old super-reliable honda civic wagon. It actually has quite a bit of room. I can lay a 8 foot board in with room to spare when I take out the passenger seat. I can fit a washer and dryer in the back and close the hatch. So the plan was to build a 4x6x12 box and mount it on the roof and put everything else inside. I'm now wondering if I could put the rolled up skins on the inside and use one of the smaller u-haul trailers for everything else that won't fit. Unfortunately I don't have a truck, so I can't really use the bigger trailers. Some friends have trucks, but it's hard to ask to borrow someones truck for 4000 miles of driving. I'm just trying to figure out a way around this. It just seems like the prices are a more then a little high. By the way I'm in Twentynine Palms, CA -Ben Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=233377#233377 _____ D=E9couvrez les photos les plus int=E9ressantes du jour! ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:11:02 PM PST US From: JohnDRead@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: How big is the kit? Hi Ben; Have you checked with your local Uhaul, they sell their old trucks for low $ much cheaper than renting one. A full kit weighs over 700lb, I think that may make your Honda extremely top heavy. John Read CH701 - Elbert CO - Jabiru 3300 Phone: 303-648-3261 Fax: 303-648-3262 Cell: 719-494-4567 In a message dated 3/5/2009 1:03:09 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, ben.queener@gmail.com writes:\ **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:23:31 PM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: How big is the kit? From: John Marzulli A full kit weighs 700lbs? That must be including the single shipping crate. Having just moved, and having emptied out my garage, I can definitively say that I had 853lbs of crate from ordering all the sub-kits. DO NOT ARCHIVE John Marzulli http://www.GenevieveMarzulli.org/ http://marzulli.smugmug.com/ http://701Builder.blogspot.com/ http://www.JohnMarzulli.net/ On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 4:07 PM, wrote: > Hi Ben; > Have you checked with your local Uhaul, they sell their old > trucks for low $ much cheaper than renting one. A full kit weighs over > 700lb, I think that may make your Honda extremely top heavy. > > John Read > CH701 - Elbert CO - Jabiru 3300 > > Phone: 303-648-3261 > Fax: 303-648-3262 > Cell: 719-494-4567 > In a message dated 3/5/2009 1:03:09 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, > ben.queener@gmail.com writes:\ > > ------------------------------ > Need a job? Find employment help in your area > . > > * > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:34:58 PM PST US From: JohnDRead@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: How big is the kit? When I picked up my kit I had Zenith box it, it fit just fine in a regular truck bed with a couple of feet overhanging past the tail gate. The box for the 701 was 3 ft high 4 ft wide and 12 ft long. John Read CH701 - Elbert CO - Jabiru 3300 Phone: 303-648-3261 Fax: 303-648-3262 Cell: 719-494-4567 In a message dated 3/5/2009 6:11:38 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, bobkat@btinet.net writes: **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. 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