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1. 02:03 AM - Re: Newbie looking to buy a CH 701, and some questions (mcjon77)
2. 05:37 AM - Re: Newbie looking to buy a CH 701, and some questions (motoadve)
3. 07:23 AM - Re: Newbie looking to buy a CH 701, and some questions (Max Johansson)
4. 08:16 AM - Throttle cables/Rotax 912 (Joe Spencer)
5. 08:23 AM - Re: Throttle cables/Rotax 912 (Ken Arnold)
6. 08:37 AM - Re: Re: Newbie looking to buy a CH 701, and some questions (John Marzulli)
7. 09:05 AM - Re: Throttle cables/Rotax 912 (John Bolding)
8. 09:09 AM - Throttle cables/Rotax 912 (Joe Spencer)
9. 09:32 AM - Re: Newbie looking to buy a CH 701, and some questions (mcjon77)
10. 10:19 AM - Re: Throttle cables/Rotax 912 (ronlee)
11. 10:41 AM - Re: Re: Throttle cables/Rotax 912 (Randall Hebert)
12. 11:16 AM - Re: Throttle cables/Rotax 912 (MacDonald Doug)
13. 11:51 AM - Re: Re: Throttle cables/Rotax 912 (BokKat)
14. 11:51 AM - Re: Throttle cables/Rotax 912 (BokKat)
15. 12:21 PM - Throttle cables/Rotax 912 (Joe Spencer)
16. 04:44 PM - Engine Search (Tommy Walker)
17. 05:27 PM - Re: Throttle cables/Rotax 912 (ronlee)
18. 06:03 PM - Throttle cables/Rotax 912 (Joe Spencer)
19. 06:28 PM - Re: Throttle cables/Rotax 912 (Gary Gower)
20. 06:32 PM - Re: Throttle cables/Rotax 912 (Gary Gower)
21. 06:43 PM - CH701 or Kitfox for newbie? (motoadve)
22. 07:48 PM - Re: CH701 or Kitfox for newbie? (MacDonald Doug)
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| Subject: | Re: Newbie looking to buy a CH 701, and some questions |
For a 701, the number one place I would look is barnstormers. www.barnstormers.com .
The second place I would look is the classified ad section on www.zenith.aero .
You are in Costa Rica, yes? What city? I spend a lot of time in San Jose, but
I am looking forward to seeing the rest of the country. There was actually a
guy selling a CH701 that was based in Costa Rica, but he flew it back up to the
U.S.A. to sell it. Good luck on your search.
Pura Vida
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Jon McDonald
Building Sonex #1287
Thinking ahead about a Zenith CH 701 :D
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| Subject: | Re: Newbie looking to buy a CH 701, and some questions |
Thanks , I found some interesting ones in Barnstormers.
I want something with a Rotax 912.
I just thought there would be a lot more for sale.
Im based in San Jose and will fly it from Guapiles.
How many hrs is not too many hrs on the plane and moto
Is this a tricky plane to fly?
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| Subject: | Re: Newbie looking to buy a CH 701, and some questions |
Newbie, do not overlook the 80hp 912 if you do not
need that last drop of power for whatever reason.
It is basically the same engine as the 912S but
behaves more nicely, starts easier and is cheaper
both to buy and run.
As regards to flying the 701, it is not the easiest
plane to land but it is tough...
The engine cost is about one third of the total
purchasing price so you can interpolate the price
from 1500 hours down but typically a propeller strike
will necessite an earlier engine change. Rotax has
a reasonable priced (for Rotax) engine exchange program.
Good luck, the 701 might not be the newest airplane
model nor the most beautiful, but for some reason
not many are on the market even if the fleet is
rather big with many hundreds of planes flying,
not including copies. Rgrds, Max
motoadve kirjoitti:
>
> Where can I look online to buy a CH 701?
> I want with a Rotax 912S.
>
> How many hours is too much? on the airframe and motor?I want it better with low
hrs.
> So far I have only seen 3 online and with prices ranging from $30,000 to $40,000.
> Will be my first plane, and Im just starting lessons, is this a good first plane?
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| Subject: | Throttle cables/Rotax 912 |
Craig
thanks for the link. I called them this morning with questions. Looks
like that may be the simplest solution yet. There is still the problem
of the springs but I am hoping to be able to go with a lighter one with
this cable setup; they thought so, and maybe be able to rig a simple
spring load idle control. I ordered one and will give it a try, and then
report back here to all the folks. It's a new production item and won't
be available for 1-2 weeks, but I will be glad to wait if it solves some
problems.
Thanks again. This internet thing is sumpin else
Joe
will report.
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle cables/Rotax 912 |
Joe,
You might want to talk with Jon Croke re: lighter throttle springs.
Ken
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From: Joe Spencer
To: Zenith701801-List@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 11:16 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Throttle cables/Rotax 912
Craig
thanks for the link. I called them this morning with questions. Looks
like that may be the simplest solution yet. There is still the problem
of the springs but I am hoping to be able to go with a lighter one with
this cable setup; they thought so, and maybe be able to rig a simple
spring load idle control. I ordered one and will give it a try, and then
report back here to all the folks. It's a new production item and won't
be available for 1-2 weeks, but I will be glad to wait if it solves some
problems.
Thanks again. This internet thing is sumpin else
Joe
will report.
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| Subject: | Re: Newbie looking to buy a CH 701, and some questions |
Assume that is San Jose, CA then you should talk to Michael Heintz at
Quality Sport Planes. They offer some transition training so builders can
safely fly their new planes, they may also be able to do something for new
owners.
Good luck!
John Marzulli
http://www.GenevieveMarzulli.org/
http://marzulli.smugmug.com/
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
http://www.JohnMarzulli.net/
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 5:37 AM, motoadve <motoadve@racsa.co.cr> wrote:
>
> Thanks , I found some interesting ones in Barnstormers.
> I want something with a Rotax 912.
>
> I just thought there would be a lot more for sale.
>
> Im based in San Jose and will fly it from Guapiles.
>
> How many hrs is not too many hrs on the plane and moto
>
> Is this a tricky plane to fly?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241012#241012
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle cables/Rotax 912 |
You guys from Mississippi are easy to impress !! :-)
LO&SLO John
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Spencer
It's a new production item and won't be available for 1-2 weeks, but
I will be glad to wait if it solves some problems.
Thanks again.
This internet thing is sumpin else
Joe
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| Subject: | Throttle cables/Rotax 912 |
>You might want to talk with Jon Croke re: lighter throttle springs.
>Ken
Ken thanks. I will. I had tried lighter springs early on and they
wouldn't pull the slack out of the cables good enough to keep the sync.
Will see how they work with this new gizmo. BTW to use the new cable I
will give up the right side throttle control, but the few times I need
it from the pax side I can just reach across...
Joe
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| Subject: | Re: Newbie looking to buy a CH 701, and some questions |
john.marzulli(at)gmail.co wrote:
> Assume that is San Jose, CA
Actually, we are talking about San Jose, Costa Rica :D
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Jon McDonald
Building Sonex #1287
Thinking ahead about a Zenith CH 701 :D
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle cables/Rotax 912 |
After a couple of instances of having my throttle wanting to creep up during warm
up I switched from a friction system to a Vernier throttle system. It was a
safety issue with me. Now it will not move unless I push the button and move
it. It's nice in flight too as I just need to turn the knob to get small throttle
changes. I only have one throttle now, but it is easy to reach from the passenger
side if necessary.
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Ron Lee
Tucson, Arizona
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle cables/Rotax 912 |
Ron
Where do you have it located can you post a photo?
Do Not Archive
Randall J Hebert
Randall J Hebert & Associates, Inc
Consulting Engineers
Ph 337-261-1976 Fx 337-261-1977
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From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ronlee
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 12:19 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Throttle cables/Rotax 912
After a couple of instances of having my throttle wanting to creep up during
warm up I switched from a friction system to a Vernier throttle system. It
was a safety issue with me. Now it will not move unless I push the button
and move it. It's nice in flight too as I just need to turn the knob to get
small throttle changes. I only have one throttle now, but it is easy to
reach from the passenger side if necessary.
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Ron Lee
Tucson, Arizona
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241080#241080
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle cables/Rotax 912 |
Joe, I'll be a little more insistant about the not using lighter throttle springs.
Here is the link to Jon's story on the ch701.com website.
http://www.ch601.org/stories/croke_crash.htm
I agree that the throttle system on the 701/912 is a little wierd but it does work
and modifications can be dangerous.
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch Builder
Final assembly.
NW Ontario, Canada
--- On Fri, 4/24/09, Joe Spencer <jpspencer@cableone.net> wrote:
> From: Joe Spencer <jpspencer@cableone.net>
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: Throttle cables/Rotax 912
> To: Zenith701801-List@matronics.com
> Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 10:16 AM
> Craig
> thanks for the link. I called them this morning with
> questions. Looks like that may be the simplest solution yet.
> There is still the problem of the springs but I am hoping to
> be able to go with a lighter one with this cable setup; they
> thought so, and maybe be able to rig a simple spring load
> idle control. I ordered one and will give it a try, and then
> report back here to all the folks. It's a new production
> item and won't be available for 1-2 weeks, but I will be
> glad to wait if it solves some problems.
> Thanks again. This internet thing is sumpin else
>
> Joe
> will report.
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle cables/Rotax 912 |
I would have put a vernier type of dual cable throttle on had one been
available, so I put the ordinary one on. Doesn't creep, in fact I haven't
adjusted it for months.
I got mine from ?Aircraft Spruce? or maybe it was Skystar themselves and I
think they had them custom made.
On my 701 I used basically the same sytem as suggested by Zenith, but
instead of that T-handle on both sides I put a regular friction throttle
cable on the left, left out that goofy friction block on that common rod
and put on the stock T-handle to the right in case I ever wanted to fly much
from there. The Kitfox has the throttle control in the center so a second
set up isn't an issue.
Rigged up like this you still have those safety springs on the carbs but
never are aware they are there. Anything happen to the throttle control
mechanism and it'll get you down. At altitude it may not be any big deal,
but over water, trees or near the ground it could be a life saver!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Randall Hebert" <randy@rjhebertassoc.com>
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 12:40 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Re: Throttle cables/Rotax 912
> <randy@rjhebertassoc.com>
>
> Ron
> Where do you have it located can you post a photo?
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> Randall J Hebert
> Randall J Hebert & Associates, Inc
> Consulting Engineers
> Ph 337-261-1976 Fx 337-261-1977
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ronlee
> Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 12:19 PM
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Throttle cables/Rotax 912
>
>
> After a couple of instances of having my throttle wanting to creep up
> during
> warm up I switched from a friction system to a Vernier throttle system. It
> was a safety issue with me. Now it will not move unless I push the button
> and move it. It's nice in flight too as I just need to turn the knob to
> get
> small throttle changes. I only have one throttle now, but it is easy to
> reach from the passenger side if necessary.
>
> --------
> Ron Lee
> Tucson, Arizona
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=241080#241080
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle cables/Rotax 912 |
Don't worry about the springs, Joe! I almost pranged my kitfox because
the original builder had removed them and installed a solid cable
push/pull system. Worked perfectly until one day I had taken just taken
off when one of the solid cables broke and the carb on that side went to
idle. I was able to slip it back in to the very short field with trees
on the far end, stopping with the spinner inches from a tree!
So the first thing I did was redo it to the original system. Those
springs are there for a reason!
If you use that double cable system above pictured (I put that one on
the kitfox) you can easily adjust the throttle tension so you are not
aware that the springs are there. And the carbs stay balanced!
But those springs could save your life someday. Isn't there a picture
somewhere of a 701 in a grove of trees because lack of those springs?
The original system, especially using those two cabled throttles works
really well. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. But for safety's sake
leave the springs in.
A bit off topic, but I heard that Rotax was working on a single point
throttle tttchemnt system. That will make discussions on the annoying
double cable throttle problems and keeping the carbs balanced obsolete!
Yeah!
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Spencer
To: Zenith701801-List@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 10:16 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Throttle cables/Rotax 912
Craig
thanks for the link. I called them this morning with questions. Looks
like that may be the simplest solution yet. There is still the problem
of the springs but I am hoping to be able to go with a lighter one with
this cable setup; they thought so, and maybe be able to rig a simple
spring load idle control. I ordered one and will give it a try, and then
report back here to all the folks. It's a new production item and won't
be available for 1-2 weeks, but I will be glad to wait if it solves some
problems.
Thanks again. This internet thing is sumpin else
Joe
will report.
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| Subject: | Throttle cables/Rotax 912 |
Ron, thanks. I originally had a vernier on mine from ACS and the
Zenith/Rotax supplied springs were so strong they somehow overcame the
vernier lock,... pulled the throttle forward! If I could get that to
work on mine that would be fine. I ran weaker springs(but not a whole
lot weaker) on mine for a while and if I remember correctly, the vernier
throttle would hold them, and I didn't have any problems with the
throttle not advancing, but did have trouble with carb sync..The only
thing is it makes a right seat throttle not usable, but I am ok with
that, at this point. I still have the vernier here, I might get it back
out and try it again...thanks again
Joe
>After a couple of instances of having my throttle wanting to creep up
during warm
up I switched from a friction system to a Vernier throttle system. It
was a
safety issue with me. Now it will not move unless I push the button and
move
it. It's nice in flight too as I just need to turn the knob to get small
throttle
changes. I only have one throttle now, but it is easy to reach from the
passenger
side if necessary.
--------
Ron Lee
Tucson, Arizona
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Listers,
I am in the market for a Continental O-200 or a Rotax 912UlL
I would appreciate any referrals.
Thanks,
Tommy Walker in Alabama
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Tommy Walker
N8701 - Anniston, AL
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle cables/Rotax 912 |
I suspect something is not right with the Vernier throttle you have. Mine WILL
NOT move unless the button is pushed. I have the original springs on my 912uls.
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Tucson, Arizona
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| Subject: | Throttle cables/Rotax 912 |
>I suspect something is not right with the Vernier throttle you have.
Mine WILL
NOT move unless the button is pushed. I have the original springs on my
912uls.
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Ron Lee
Tucson, Arizona
Don't know, could be...it was brand new from ACS when installed...that
would be my luck lately, it seems.
I have come up with a new idea that may work reliably w/o springs. Have
some more parts on the way from ACS. Will report.
Good weekend all
Joe
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle cables/Rotax 912 |
about 240 hrs in my 701 with the plans throttle,- no problem at all.
-
KIS.- Add only lightness and simplicity to any airplane.
-
Saludos
Gary Gower
-
What can you fill a bucket with and make it weight less?
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Holes.-
--- On Fri, 4/24/09, MacDonald Doug <dougsnash@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: MacDonald Doug <dougsnash@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Throttle cables/Rotax 912
<dougsnash@yahoo.com>
Joe, I'll be a little more insistant about the not using lighter throttle
springs. Here is the link to Jon's story on the ch701.com website.
http://www.ch601.org/stories/croke_crash.htm
I agree that the throttle system on the 701/912 is a little wierd but it do
es
work and modifications can be dangerous.
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch Builder
Final assembly.
NW Ontario, Canada
--- On Fri, 4/24/09, Joe Spencer <jpspencer@cableone.net> wrote:
> From: Joe Spencer <jpspencer@cableone.net>
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: Throttle cables/Rotax 912
> To: Zenith701801-List@matronics.com
> Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 10:16 AM
> Craig
> thanks for the link. I called them this morning with
> questions. Looks like that may be the simplest solution yet.
> There is still the problem of the springs but I am hoping to
> be able to go with a lighter one with this cable setup; they
> thought so, and maybe be able to rig a simple spring load
> idle control. I ordered one and will give it a try, and then
> report back here to all the folks. It's a new production
> item and won't be available for 1-2 weeks, but I will be
> glad to wait if it solves some problems.
> Thanks again. This internet thing is sumpin else
>
> Joe
> will report.
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle cables/Rotax 912 |
Sincerely I dont understand wht, in the first place they designed the engin
e with two carbs...
Could be so simple to do as Jabiru, one single carb (same type)
--- On Fri, 4/24/09, BokKat <bobkat@btinet.net> wrote:
From: BokKat <bobkat@btinet.net>
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Throttle cables/Rotax 912
Don't worry about the springs, Joe!- I almost pranged my kitfox because t
he original builder had removed them and installed a solid cable push/pull
system.- Worked perfectly until one day I had taken just taken off when o
ne of the solid cables broke and the carb on that side went to idle.- I w
as able to slip it back in to the very short field with trees on the far en
d, stopping with the spinner inches from a tree!--
So the first thing I did was redo it to the original system.- Those sprin
gs are there for a reason!--
If you use that double cable system above pictured (I put that one on the k
itfox) you can easily adjust the throttle tension so you are not aware that
the springs are there.- And the carbs stay balanced!-
But those springs could save your life someday.- Isn't there a picture so
mewhere of a 701 in a grove of trees because lack of those springs?--
The original system, especially using those two cabled throttles works real
ly well.- If it ain't broke, don't fix it.- But for safety's sake leave
the springs in.-
A bit off topic, but I heard that Rotax was working on a single point throt
tle tttchemnt system.- That will make discussions on the annoying double
cable throttle problems and keeping the carbs balanced obsolete!-- Yeah
!
-
-
-
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Spencer
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 10:16 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Throttle cables/Rotax 912
Craig
thanks for the link. I called them this morning with questions. Looks like
that may be the simplest solution yet. There is still the problem of the sp
rings but I am hoping to be able to go with a lighter one with this cable s
etup; they thought so, and maybe be able to rig a simple spring load idle c
ontrol.-I ordered one and will give it a try, and then report back here t
o all the folks. It's a new production item and won't be available for 1-2
weeks, but I will be glad to wait if it solves some problems.-
Thanks again. This internet thing is sumpin else
-
Joe
will report.
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| Subject: | CH701 or Kitfox for newbie? |
I also posted this at the Kitfox forum.
Im thinking of buying a plane , want something durable, easy to fly, reliable,
good glider in case of engine quit, and slow stall speeds
Im looking into the Zenith CH 701 or maybe a kitfox, for my needs what do you guys
think is best?
I want a Rotax 912 in the nose on either plane.
If you guys think kitfox is for me which model?
Which will be safer in case of a power off emergency?
The CH701 stalls at 30mph where the kitfox 4 at 37mph and the S7 at 41mph
Althought from what i read the glide ratio of the kitfoxes is about 10:1 where
the CH 701 is 7:1
Im not expert so dont be shy to flame.
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| Subject: | Re: CH701 or Kitfox for newbie? |
If you want a plane that glides, the 701 is probably not the plane for you. In
fact, the lack of glide performance is kind of the whole point of the 701. If
a plane has good glide characteristics it take more space to land.
One HUGE advantage to the 701 over the other planes you listed is the aluminum
construction. No worry over the sun rotting your dacron fabric.
Hope this gives you a few ideas of the pros and cons
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch Builder
NW Ontario, Canada
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>
> I also posted this at the Kitfox forum.
> Im thinking of buying a plane , want something durable,
> easy to fly, reliable, good glider in case of engine quit,
> and slow stall speeds
>
> Im looking into the Zenith CH 701 or maybe a kitfox, for my
> needs what do you guys think is best?
> I want a Rotax 912 in the nose on either plane.
>
> If you guys think kitfox is for me which model?
>
> Which will be safer in case of a power off emergency?
>
> The CH701 stalls at 30mph where the kitfox 4 at 37mph and
> the S7 at 41mph
> Althought from what i read the glide ratio of the kitfoxes
> is about 10:1 where the CH 701 is 7:1
>
> Im not expert so dont be shy to flame.
>
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