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1. 12:18 PM - Re: 701 Incident? (Brady)
2. 02:37 PM - Re: 701 Incident? (Tommy Walker)
3. 02:43 PM - Re: Re: 701 Incident? (MacDonald Doug)
4. 02:44 PM - Re: Re: 701 Incident? (Craig Payne)
5. 04:05 PM - Re: Re: 701 Incident? (Les Goldner)
6. 04:11 PM - Re: Re: 701 Incident? (Craig Payne)
7. 04:24 PM - How Do the Folding Wings Work, and Do You Like Them? (Wayne Bartlett)
8. 04:25 PM - Re: 701 Incident? (jetboy)
9. 04:43 PM - Re: How Do the Folding Wings Work, and Do You Like Them? (Craig Payne)
10. 06:47 PM - Re: 701 Incident? (Tommy Walker)
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Incident? |
Tommy,
I'm glad to see no one was hurt!
then again its hard to get hurt if you're going very fast. :)
I heard some one say there have been NO fatal 701 accidents?
Quite a record considering the design was released in 1986?
Cheers,
Brady
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Brady McCormick
Poulsbo, WA
www.magnificentmachine.com
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Incident? |
Brady,
The only fatality I'm aware of happened in New Mexico. According to what I've
read, it was a new sport pilot who was buzzing his house and got a wing too low.
One of the important things that people like me who are transitioning from GA to
LSA need to work on is short final. These little light airplanes will get away
from you if you aren't careful. I don't think ultralight pilots have the
same problems because they are used to bouncing around when flying and landing....
If in doubt, go around. The 701 will get you out of trouble if you don't insist
on landing when you should go around. This is not a Cessna that you glide down
to the runway.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Brady wrote:
> Tommy,
> I'm glad to see no one was hurt!
>
> then again its hard to get hurt if you're not going very fast. :)
> I heard some one say there have been NO fatal 701 accidents?
> Quite a record considering the design was released in 1986?
>
> Cheers,
> Brady
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Tommy Walker
N8701 - Anniston, AL
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Incident? |
Actually Brady, there have been a few fatalities but they were generally from stupid
pilot tricks not due to the plane.
Doug MacDonald
NW Ontario, Canada
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--- On Thu, 6/11/09, Brady <brady@magnificentmachine.com> wrote:
> From: Brady <brady@magnificentmachine.com>
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Incident?
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> Received: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 2:18 PM
> --> Zenith701801-List message
> posted by: "Brady" <brady@magnificentmachine.com>
>
> Tommy,
> I'm glad to see no one was hurt!
>
> then again its hard to get hurt if you're going very fast.
> :)
> I heard some one say there have been NO fatal 701
> accidents?
> Quite a record considering the design was released in
> 1986?
>
> Cheers,
> Brady
>
> --------
> Brady McCormick
> Poulsbo, WA
> www.magnificentmachine.com
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Incident? |
>From all I have read the advice is to keep some power in when you land. This
raises the question: what is the recommended approach to a dead-stick
landing where you have no power at all?
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tommy
Walker
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 3:37 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Incident?
<twalker@cableone.net>
Brady,
The only fatality I'm aware of happened in New Mexico. According to what
I've read, it was a new sport pilot who was buzzing his house and got a wing
too low.
One of the important things that people like me who are transitioning from
GA to LSA need to work on is short final. These little light airplanes will
get away from you if you aren't careful. I don't think ultralight pilots
have the same problems because they are used to bouncing around when flying
and landing....
If in doubt, go around. The 701 will get you out of trouble if you don't
insist on landing when you should go around. This is not a Cessna that you
glide down to the runway.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Brady wrote:
> Tommy,
> I'm glad to see no one was hurt!
>
> then again its hard to get hurt if you're not going very fast. :)
> I heard some one say there have been NO fatal 701 accidents?
> Quite a record considering the design was released in 1986?
>
> Cheers,
> Brady
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Tommy Walker
N8701 - Anniston, AL
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Incident? |
Craig,
I took my 701/Rotax 912 up to 8000', cut the engine, and coasted in at about
65-MPH to a small grass trip at 100' AGL. No problem! With engine off and
prop not windmilling, just keep the speed up to 65 when you flair so you
won't start dropping too fast.
Les
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From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig
Payne
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 2:43 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Incident?
<craig@craigandjean.com>
>From all I have read the advice is to keep some power in when you land.
This
raises the question: what is the recommended approach to a dead-stick
landing where you have no power at all?
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tommy
Walker
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 3:37 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Incident?
<twalker@cableone.net>
Brady,
The only fatality I'm aware of happened in New Mexico. According to what
I've read, it was a new sport pilot who was buzzing his house and got a wing
too low.
One of the important things that people like me who are transitioning from
GA to LSA need to work on is short final. These little light airplanes will
get away from you if you aren't careful. I don't think ultralight pilots
have the same problems because they are used to bouncing around when flying
and landing....
If in doubt, go around. The 701 will get you out of trouble if you don't
insist on landing when you should go around. This is not a Cessna that you
glide down to the runway.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Brady wrote:
> Tommy,
> I'm glad to see no one was hurt!
>
> then again its hard to get hurt if you're not going very fast. :)
> I heard some one say there have been NO fatal 701 accidents?
> Quite a record considering the design was released in 1986?
>
> Cheers,
> Brady
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Tommy Walker
N8701 - Anniston, AL
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Incident? |
Thanks! I hope to get to try this someday.
-- Craig
Do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les
Goldner
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:00 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Incident?
<lgold@quantum-associates.com>
Craig,
I took my 701/Rotax 912 up to 8000', cut the engine, and coasted in at about
65-MPH to a small grass trip at 100' AGL. No problem! With engine off and
prop not windmilling, just keep the speed up to 65 when you flair so you
won't start dropping too fast.
Les
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Craig
Payne
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 2:43 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Incident?
<craig@craigandjean.com>
>From all I have read the advice is to keep some power in when you land.
This
raises the question: what is the recommended approach to a dead-stick
landing where you have no power at all?
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tommy
Walker
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 3:37 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Incident?
<twalker@cableone.net>
Brady,
The only fatality I'm aware of happened in New Mexico. According to what
I've read, it was a new sport pilot who was buzzing his house and got a wing
too low.
One of the important things that people like me who are transitioning from
GA to LSA need to work on is short final. These little light airplanes will
get away from you if you aren't careful. I don't think ultralight pilots
have the same problems because they are used to bouncing around when flying
and landing....
If in doubt, go around. The 701 will get you out of trouble if you don't
insist on landing when you should go around. This is not a Cessna that you
glide down to the runway.
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Brady wrote:
> Tommy,
> I'm glad to see no one was hurt!
>
> then again its hard to get hurt if you're not going very fast. :)
> I heard some one say there have been NO fatal 701 accidents?
> Quite a record considering the design was released in 1986?
>
> Cheers,
> Brady
--------
Tommy Walker
N8701 - Anniston, AL
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| Subject: | How Do the Folding Wings Work, and Do You Like Them? |
I was wondering if someone can give me some insight as to how the
folding wings option works mechanically and for those of you that have
them, whether you like them. I gather from the Zenith website that the
trailing edge rotates up, then the wing rotates inboard.
I want to be able to put the 701 in a trailer for towing.
Thanks...Wayne Bartlett
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Incident? |
Forced landings: the various 'draft' POH manuals have not been oficially updated
in years, and contain some contradictions.
The one thing that makes the 701 different (and effective as a STOL) is the pitch
authority of the elevator when driven by propwash.
My optimum glide is clean at 40 KTs
In practice I have 3 options for forced landings.
1/ If the available landing area is long and close, dive to loose height and flare
smoothly, holding altitude near ground level, washing off excess speed. This
provides the most positive control, and allows placement into tight spots with
little or no increase to landing stop distance.
2/ For longest glide, maintain minimum of 40 KTs clean, or preferably use 45 to
50KTs with flap, flare abruptly and fully for the arrival. 50KTs provides a much
more controllable situation, as timing and rate of the flare is less critical.
As I'm averse to unnecessarily repairing nosegear, I have not practiced for
speeds lower than 45KTs.
3/ If no suitable area is within gliding distance, it is possible to hold full
aft elevator and glide at a higher descent rate but with the lowest forward speed.
There is no way to arrest the descent or control the touchdown in some circumstances
it may be the best outcome.
Ralph
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Ralph - CH701 / 2200a
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| Subject: | How Do the Folding Wings Work, and Do You Like |
Them?
I've attached a picture that Martin Picard sent out of his 701. It was built
at Quality Sport Planes in Cloverdale, CA and then shipped overseas (NZ or
Oz but I can't remember which). At the time I think he commented that he
would never use the folding option again. From what I read the consensus of
those who have dealt with the folding wing option is that it is not
something you want to deal with on a regular basis.
-- Craig
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
Bartlett
Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:24 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: How Do the Folding Wings Work, and Do You Like
Them?
I was wondering if someone can give me some insight as to how the folding
wings option works mechanically and for those of you that have them, whether
you like them. I gather from the Zenith website that the trailing edge
rotates up, then the wing rotates inboard.
I want to be able to put the 701 in a trailer for towing.
Thanks...Wayne Bartlett
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| Subject: | Re: 701 Incident? |
I tried to send this earlier, but it didn't work....
Niol in New Zealand writes:
ENGINE FAILURE:
Question:During a power-off glide (engine shutdown) in a piston engine aircraft
with a fixed pitch propeller, is the glide ratio better with the prop windmilling
or with the prop stopped?
Answer: (Courtesy of "Ask the Experts" at ipilot.com.) "Stopped, because the propeller
produces more and more drag the faster it turns".
In the 701, switching the engine off results in the prop stopping almost immediately
which is of course quite different to G.A. aircraft. This is due to the
2 &1/4 gearbox reduction coupled with the relatively high cylinder compression.
With the prop stopped elevator control is available to much lower speeds and
the glide distance is noticably improved. Whilst I have not attempted to stall
it with the engine stopped, elevator control was markedly better during the
touch down than when the engine is idling. (This raises the spectre that the simulated
engine out practice done by closing the throttle is possibly quite erroneous
and a real engine out under the same circumstances could result in overshooting
the mark. Unfortunately I havnt enough instrumentation to get accurate
data but I suspect there will be a RPM setting which would equate to the stopped
prop drag.) With the engine running and throttle closed at moderate weights
with 4 degrees set on my angle of attack indicator, (best lift drag ratio)
speed equates to 48 kts. I am guessing that at the same weight and ang/attack
with the engine stopped the speed would be around 40 kts.)
http://www.acomodata.com/zenair701/flying%202.htm
Tommy
craig(at)craigandjean.com wrote:
> Thanks! I hope to get to try this someday.
>
> -- Craig
> Do not archive
>
> --
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Tommy Walker
N8701 - Anniston, AL
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