---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith701801-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 06/14/09: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:08 AM - Chat reminder for "Digesters" (George Race) 2. 07:23 PM - Re: Re: Landings at idle. (Gary Gower) 3. 07:44 PM - Re: Re: Landings at idle. (Gary Gower) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:08:33 AM PST US From: "George Race" Subject: Zenith701801-List: Chat reminder for "Digesters" Live Chat Room every Monday evening around 8:00 EDT www.mykitairplane.com Click on the Chat Room link on the page. George Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:56 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Re: Landings at idle. You CAN do dead stick landings in a 701...- In fact you must practice. pr actice, practice this type of landings until you master them.-- Is impo rtant to get used to the drag and low weight...--- -First you (practically) dive the airplane at 50 miles indicated (engine at idle), yes the 701 is no sail plane.- Be ready to use the power in cas e you level too high, is better at first tries than too low, of course :-) The level time is short, then you beguin to pull gently but constant and fi rm the elevator to keep the flair as close as possible to the strip, until you touch down, then keep the front wheel up until you beguin loosing eleva tor authority (to slow airflow) then gently help the wheel to touch down... - No brakes needed to stop :-) - Saludos Gary Gower 701 912S-- 249 hrs. --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Craig Payne wrote: From: Craig Payne Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Incident? com> >From all I have read the advice is to keep some power in when you land. Th is raises the question: what is the recommended approach to a dead-stick landing where you have no power at all? -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tommy Walker Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 3:37 PM Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Incident? Brady, The only fatality I'm aware of happened in New Mexico.- According to what I've read, it was a new sport pilot who was buzzing his house and got a win g too low. One of the important things that people like me who are transitioning from GA to LSA need to work on is short final.- These little light airplanes w ill get away from you if you aren't careful.- I don't think ultralight pilots have the same problems because they are used to bouncing around when flying and landing.... If in doubt, go around.- The 701 will get you out of trouble if you don't insist on landing when you should go around.- This is not a Cessna that y ou glide down to the runway. DO NOT ARCHIVE Brady wrote: > Tommy, > I'm glad to see no one was hurt! > > then again its hard to get hurt if you're not going very fast. :) > I heard some one say there have been NO fatal 701 accidents? > Quite a record considering the design was released in 1986? > > Cheers, > Brady -------- Tommy Walker N8701- -- Anniston, AL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=247730#247730 le, List Admin. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:05 PM PST US From: Gary Gower Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Re: Landings at idle. Just forgot something,- I use 15=AA flaps when I have the landing spot (s trip) secure, and keep 55 -60 mph.- Helps me a lot- to gentle the flair ...-- maybe because the density at 5,000 ft ASL. here.- Probably with the engine off (prop stop) will be less drag, but I just dont feel yet as trying "the real thing" (engine off landing) on porpouse, plan e is still too pretty to rebuild :-)- :-) Knock wood... - Saludos Gary Gower. --- On Sun, 6/14/09, Gary Gower wrote: From: Gary Gower Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Re: Landings at idle. You CAN do dead stick landings in a 701...- In fact you must practice. pr actice, practice this type of landings until you master them.-- Is impo rtant to get used to the drag and low weight...--- -First you (practically) dive the airplane at 50 miles indicated (engine at idle), yes the 701 is no sail plane.- Be ready to use the power in cas e you level too high, is better at first tries than too low, of course :-) The level time is short, then you beguin to pull gently but constant and fi rm the elevator to keep the flair as close as possible to the strip, until you touch down, then keep the front wheel up until you beguin loosing eleva tor authority (to slow airflow) then gently help the wheel to touch down... - No brakes needed to stop :-) - Saludos Gary Gower 701 912S-- 249 hrs. --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Craig Payne wrote: From: Craig Payne Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Incident? com> >From all I have read the advice is to keep some power in when you land. Th is raises the question: what is the recommended approach to a dead-stick landing where you have no power at all? -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tommy Walker Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 3:37 PM Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 Incident? Brady, The only fatality I'm aware of happened in New Mexico.- According to what I've read, it was a new sport pilot who was buzzing his house and got a win g too low. One of the important things that people like me who are transitioning from GA to LSA need to work on is short final.- These little light airplanes w ill get away from you if you aren't careful.- I don't think ultralight pilots have the same problems because they are used to bouncing around when flying and landing.... If in doubt, go around.- The 701 will get you out of trouble if you don't insist on landing when you should go around.- This is not a Cessna that y ou glide down to the runway. DO NOT ARCHIVE Brady wrote: > Tommy, > I'm glad to see no one was hurt! > > then again its hard to get hurt if you're not going very fast. :) > I heard some one say there have been NO fatal 701 accidents? > Quite a record considering the design was released in 1986? > > Cheers, > Brady -------- Tommy Walker N8701- -- Anniston, AL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=247730#24773="http://www.ma tronics.com/Navigator?Zenith701801-List" target=_blank>h =0A=0A=0A ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith701801-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith701801-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith701801-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith701801-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.