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1. 02:12 PM - Re: Tow Bar (Tommy Walker)
2. 02:28 PM - My web site (Tommy Walker)
3. 02:40 PM - Re: 801 accident (Tommy Walker)
4. 03:04 PM - Re: Re: 801 accident (Craig Payne)
5. 03:23 PM - Re: My web site (Keith Ashcraft)
6. 03:44 PM - Re: Re: 801 accident (NYTerminat@aol.com)
7. 04:15 PM - Re: Landings at idle. (jetboy)
8. 04:22 PM - Re: My web site (Tommy Walker)
9. 07:10 PM - My Web Site (Keith Ashcraft)
10. 08:33 PM - Re: My web site (Tommy Walker)
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Mike,
I bought Larry's tow bar and strut ring. I positioned the strut ring so that
if the bungee should break, the ring would contact the bottom of the strut mount
before the prop contacts the ground (at least I hope it does).
Larry MacFarlane is a good guy. I bounced several questions off him when building
my first 701 (even though he IS a low wing guy). :) :)
Tommy Walker in Alabama
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701 builders,
I can't think of a reason why anyone could learn from what I'm doing (well, maybe
they could learn some things NOT to do), but I'm listing my construction website
below in case you get bored and want to browse the progress of our 701.
We started this project in April of 2008. The kit is from a builder who started
the project in 2003 and passed away shortly thereafter. He was an 80 year old
gentleman who lived in Laughlin, NV and Kingman, AZ.
Based on what I experienced, if you are buying a kit from an individual, don't
include what the builder has finished in your price. We had to re-do most of
the wing he started. Plus, inspect all the skins that have been in storage.
Thankfully we did. We had to replace all the skins that were stacked together
in his garangar. Even though it was a high desert area, the humidity caused
serious corrosion where the skins touched after being stored for 3+ years.
Anywho, here's the link to our website, hosted by my good friend Rick Roberts,
of Suzuki/701 Fame.
http://www.n701rr.com/saw/
Regards,
Tommy Walker in Alabama
Boy, it's hot down here!
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| Subject: | Re: 801 accident |
Jeff,
I think most 701 builders have added periscope type vent tubes to their caps to
both provide positive ventilation to the tanks, and help stop some of the spillage
during maneuvers. Before adding the vent tubes, the top of our wings, and
the bottom skins too, were stained by the awful yellow autogas we use. If
we filled the tanks and went flying, we had to clean the skins several times over
the next few days.
We did that and it really helped. I don't think this is discussed in the plans,
but probably should be in my opinion.
Also, if you add the vent tubes, be sure to solder the vents inside the cap closed.
Take care,
Tommy Walker in Alabama
n85ae wrote:
> Not that this is even remotely related to why the airplane in the report
> crashed, but I'd be seriously looking at the fuel caps. After looking long
> and hard at my fuel caps, at least one of mine has the internal metal
> stamping done so crudely that the vents are effectively blocked. The
> rest are pretty bad as well.
>
> So I'm reworking mine, similar in fashion to my Kitfox's with with
> the little forward facing pitot style tubes.
>
> Another item, I can't believe Zenith delivers with the kit.
>
> Regards,
> Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: 801 accident |
For those of you who don't want to weld/braze/solder a vent tube onto your
existing caps: Wag Aero sells a "Ram Air Pressure Cap" (SKU: E-481-000,
$37.95) that I think fits the 701 factor tank flanges. The vent tube comes
unbent (sticks straight up) so you can bend it to face forward. I haven't
tried one yet.
-- Craig
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From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tommy
Walker
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 3:40 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: 801 accident
<twalker@cableone.net>
Jeff,
I think most 701 builders have added periscope type vent tubes to their caps
to both provide positive ventilation to the tanks, and help stop some of the
spillage during maneuvers. Before adding the vent tubes, the top of our
wings, and the bottom skins too, were stained by the awful yellow autogas we
use. If we filled the tanks and went flying, we had to clean the skins
several times over the next few days.
We did that and it really helped. I don't think this is discussed in the
plans, but probably should be in my opinion.
Also, if you add the vent tubes, be sure to solder the vents inside the cap
closed.
Take care,
Tommy Walker in Alabama
n85ae wrote:
> Not that this is even remotely related to why the airplane in the report
> crashed, but I'd be seriously looking at the fuel caps. After looking long
> and hard at my fuel caps, at least one of mine has the internal metal
> stamping done so crudely that the vents are effectively blocked. The
> rest are pretty bad as well.
>
> So I'm reworking mine, similar in fashion to my Kitfox's with with
> the little forward facing pitot style tubes.
>
> Another item, I can't believe Zenith delivers with the kit.
>
> Regards,
> Jeff
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N8701 - Anniston, AL
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Hey Tommy,
Are you polishing as you build? Everything looks like you have taken Nuvite to
it.
Is this going together faster than your first 701?
Are you doing things different on this plane that you had wanted to do but didn't
on your first?
(my plans still might let me visit during the last week in July)
Keith
CH701 -- scratch mostly
N 38.9940
W 105.1305
Alt. 9,100'
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From: Tommy Walker <twalker@cableone.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 3:28:02 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: My web site
701 builders,
I can't think of a reason why anyone could learn from what I'm doing (well, maybe
they could learn some things NOT to do), but I'm listing my construction website
below in case you get bored and want to browse the progress of our 701.
We started this project in April of 2008. The kit is from a builder who started
the project in 2003 and passed away shortly thereafter. He was an 80 year old
gentleman who lived in Laughlin, NV and Kingman, AZ.
Based on what I experienced, if you are buying a kit from an individual, don't
include what the builder has finished in your price. We had to re-do most of
the wing he started. Plus, inspect all the skins that have been in storage.
Thankfully we did. We had to replace all the skins that were stacked together
in his garangar. Even though it was a high desert area, the humidity caused
serious corrosion where the skins touched after being stored for 3+ years.
Anywho, here's the link to our website, hosted by my good friend Rick Roberts,
of Suzuki/701 Fame.
http://www.n701rr.com/saw/
Regards,
Tommy Walker in Alabama
Boy, it's hot down here!
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Tommy Walker
N8701 - Anniston, AL
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| Subject: | Re: 801 accident |
Craig,
That is what I used and like Tommy said, no more venting fuel over the
wings. I am very happy with them
Bob Spudis
In a message dated 6/20/2009 6:04:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
craig@craigandjean.com writes:
--> Zenith701801-List message posted by: "Craig Payne"
<craig@craigandjean.com>
For those of you who don't want to weld/braze/solder a vent tube onto your
existing caps: Wag Aero sells a "Ram Air Pressure Cap" (SKU: E-481-000,
$37.95) that I think fits the 701 factor tank flanges. The vent tube comes
unbent (sticks straight up) so you can bend it to face forward. I haven't
tried one yet.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tommy
Walker
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 3:40 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: 801 accident
<twalker@cableone.net>
Jeff,
I think most 701 builders have added periscope type vent tubes to their
caps
to both provide positive ventilation to the tanks, and help stop some of
the
spillage during maneuvers. Before adding the vent tubes, the top of our
wings, and the bottom skins too, were stained by the awful yellow autogas
we
use. If we filled the tanks and went flying, we had to clean the skins
several times over the next few days.
We did that and it really helped. I don't think this is discussed in the
plans, but probably should be in my opinion.
Also, if you add the vent tubes, be sure to solder the vents inside the cap
closed.
Take care,
Tommy Walker in Alabama
n85ae wrote:
> Not that this is even remotely related to why the airplane in the report
> crashed, but I'd be seriously looking at the fuel caps. After looking
long
> and hard at my fuel caps, at least one of mine has the internal metal
> stamping done so crudely that the vents are effectively blocked. The
> rest are pretty bad as well.
>
> So I'm reworking mine, similar in fashion to my Kitfox's with with
> the little forward facing pitot style tubes.
>
> Another item, I can't believe Zenith delivers with the kit.
>
> Regards,
> Jeff
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N8701 - Anniston, AL
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| Subject: | Re: Landings at idle. |
I was out flying yesterday so took the opportunity to get some figures including
a power off landing from 1000' into a 15 Kts direct crosswind. there was no
difficulty with a 50-55kt approach flap 16 although the turn onto base with 15
kts tailwind was 'interesting'
at 960 lbs load, the sink rate and calculated glide was
700 fpm @ 60 Kts, glide 8.7:1
600 fpm @ 50 Kts, (55 mph) glide 8.4:1
500 fpm @ 40 Kts approx. glide 8.1:1
The glide calculation was based on distance travelled at the speed indicated and
not corrected for flightpath angle so is approximate.
What I learned from this is the best way to stretch a glide distance is going to
be at the upper end of the speed range. I use not less than 50 Kts (55mph) for
most situations, as it feels optimum. I had no time to measure flap 16 figures.
Ralph
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Keith,
Yes. I get every thing drilled and take it apart for deburring and then clamp the
sheets to my work table and go over them with the Nuvite. I use F9 for a couple
of passes, then put it all back together again.
If you do it this way, be sure to clamp the skins to the table.... They can fly
away from you if you just leave them loose on the table.
Tommy
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"...Are you polishing as you build? Everything looks like you have taken Nuvite
to it...."
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N8701 - Anniston, AL
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Hey Tommy,
Another quick question. Since you polish as you go, can you paint over polished
Aluminum without a lot of prep? Do you prep the polished surface like you would
(un-polished) surface?
Keith
(trying my hand at bucking my first solid rivets. Not so good yet)
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Keith,
I have no idea. The parts that I plan to paint, I don't polish
I would think that if you scratch up a polished surface you can paint it. The
polishing makes the surface so smooth that I doubt paint would stick to it.
Keep on bucking....
Tommy Walker
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[quote="ch701builder(at)yahoo.com"]Hey Tommy,
Another quick question. Since you polish as you go, can you paint over polished
Aluminum without a lot of prep? Do you prep the polished surface like you would
(un-polished) surface?
Keith
(trying my hand at bucking my first solid rivets. Not so good yet)
> [b]
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N8701 - Anniston, AL
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