---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith701801-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 06/20/09: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:12 PM - Re: Tow Bar (Tommy Walker) 2. 02:28 PM - My web site (Tommy Walker) 3. 02:40 PM - Re: 801 accident (Tommy Walker) 4. 03:04 PM - Re: Re: 801 accident (Craig Payne) 5. 03:23 PM - Re: My web site (Keith Ashcraft) 6. 03:44 PM - Re: Re: 801 accident (NYTerminat@aol.com) 7. 04:15 PM - Re: Landings at idle. (jetboy) 8. 04:22 PM - Re: My web site (Tommy Walker) 9. 07:10 PM - My Web Site (Keith Ashcraft) 10. 08:33 PM - Re: My web site (Tommy Walker) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:12:21 PM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Tow Bar From: "Tommy Walker" Mike, I bought Larry's tow bar and strut ring. I positioned the strut ring so that if the bungee should break, the ring would contact the bottom of the strut mount before the prop contacts the ground (at least I hope it does). Larry MacFarlane is a good guy. I bounced several questions off him when building my first 701 (even though he IS a low wing guy). :) :) Tommy Walker in Alabama Do Not Archive -------- Tommy Walker N8701 - Anniston, AL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249253#249253 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:28:19 PM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: My web site From: "Tommy Walker" 701 builders, I can't think of a reason why anyone could learn from what I'm doing (well, maybe they could learn some things NOT to do), but I'm listing my construction website below in case you get bored and want to browse the progress of our 701. We started this project in April of 2008. The kit is from a builder who started the project in 2003 and passed away shortly thereafter. He was an 80 year old gentleman who lived in Laughlin, NV and Kingman, AZ. Based on what I experienced, if you are buying a kit from an individual, don't include what the builder has finished in your price. We had to re-do most of the wing he started. Plus, inspect all the skins that have been in storage. Thankfully we did. We had to replace all the skins that were stacked together in his garangar. Even though it was a high desert area, the humidity caused serious corrosion where the skins touched after being stored for 3+ years. Anywho, here's the link to our website, hosted by my good friend Rick Roberts, of Suzuki/701 Fame. http://www.n701rr.com/saw/ Regards, Tommy Walker in Alabama Boy, it's hot down here! Do Not Archive -------- Tommy Walker N8701 - Anniston, AL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249257#249257 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:40:37 PM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: 801 accident From: "Tommy Walker" Jeff, I think most 701 builders have added periscope type vent tubes to their caps to both provide positive ventilation to the tanks, and help stop some of the spillage during maneuvers. Before adding the vent tubes, the top of our wings, and the bottom skins too, were stained by the awful yellow autogas we use. If we filled the tanks and went flying, we had to clean the skins several times over the next few days. We did that and it really helped. I don't think this is discussed in the plans, but probably should be in my opinion. Also, if you add the vent tubes, be sure to solder the vents inside the cap closed. Take care, Tommy Walker in Alabama n85ae wrote: > Not that this is even remotely related to why the airplane in the report > crashed, but I'd be seriously looking at the fuel caps. After looking long > and hard at my fuel caps, at least one of mine has the internal metal > stamping done so crudely that the vents are effectively blocked. The > rest are pretty bad as well. > > So I'm reworking mine, similar in fashion to my Kitfox's with with > the little forward facing pitot style tubes. > > Another item, I can't believe Zenith delivers with the kit. > > Regards, > Jeff -------- Tommy Walker N8701 - Anniston, AL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249258#249258 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:04:05 PM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Re: 801 accident For those of you who don't want to weld/braze/solder a vent tube onto your existing caps: Wag Aero sells a "Ram Air Pressure Cap" (SKU: E-481-000, $37.95) that I think fits the 701 factor tank flanges. The vent tube comes unbent (sticks straight up) so you can bend it to face forward. I haven't tried one yet. -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tommy Walker Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 3:40 PM Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: 801 accident Jeff, I think most 701 builders have added periscope type vent tubes to their caps to both provide positive ventilation to the tanks, and help stop some of the spillage during maneuvers. Before adding the vent tubes, the top of our wings, and the bottom skins too, were stained by the awful yellow autogas we use. If we filled the tanks and went flying, we had to clean the skins several times over the next few days. We did that and it really helped. I don't think this is discussed in the plans, but probably should be in my opinion. Also, if you add the vent tubes, be sure to solder the vents inside the cap closed. Take care, Tommy Walker in Alabama n85ae wrote: > Not that this is even remotely related to why the airplane in the report > crashed, but I'd be seriously looking at the fuel caps. After looking long > and hard at my fuel caps, at least one of mine has the internal metal > stamping done so crudely that the vents are effectively blocked. The > rest are pretty bad as well. > > So I'm reworking mine, similar in fashion to my Kitfox's with with > the little forward facing pitot style tubes. > > Another item, I can't believe Zenith delivers with the kit. > > Regards, > Jeff -------- Tommy Walker N8701 - Anniston, AL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249258#249258 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:23:04 PM PST US From: Keith Ashcraft Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: My web site Hey Tommy, Are you polishing as you build? Everything looks like you have taken Nuvite to it. Is this going together faster than your first 701? Are you doing things different on this plane that you had wanted to do but didn't on your first? (my plans still might let me visit during the last week in July) Keith CH701 -- scratch mostly N 38.9940 W 105.1305 Alt. 9,100' ________________________________ From: Tommy Walker Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 3:28:02 PM Subject: Zenith701801-List: My web site 701 builders, I can't think of a reason why anyone could learn from what I'm doing (well, maybe they could learn some things NOT to do), but I'm listing my construction website below in case you get bored and want to browse the progress of our 701. We started this project in April of 2008. The kit is from a builder who started the project in 2003 and passed away shortly thereafter. He was an 80 year old gentleman who lived in Laughlin, NV and Kingman, AZ. Based on what I experienced, if you are buying a kit from an individual, don't include what the builder has finished in your price. We had to re-do most of the wing he started. Plus, inspect all the skins that have been in storage. Thankfully we did. We had to replace all the skins that were stacked together in his garangar. Even though it was a high desert area, the humidity caused serious corrosion where the skins touched after being stored for 3+ years. Anywho, here's the link to our website, hosted by my good friend Rick Roberts, of Suzuki/701 Fame. http://www.n701rr.com/saw/ Regards, Tommy Walker in Alabama Boy, it's hot down here! Do Not Archive -------- Tommy Walker N8701 - Anniston, AL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249257#249257 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:44:32 PM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: 801 accident Craig, That is what I used and like Tommy said, no more venting fuel over the wings. I am very happy with them Bob Spudis In a message dated 6/20/2009 6:04:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, craig@craigandjean.com writes: --> Zenith701801-List message posted by: "Craig Payne" For those of you who don't want to weld/braze/solder a vent tube onto your existing caps: Wag Aero sells a "Ram Air Pressure Cap" (SKU: E-481-000, $37.95) that I think fits the 701 factor tank flanges. The vent tube comes unbent (sticks straight up) so you can bend it to face forward. I haven't tried one yet. -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tommy Walker Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 3:40 PM Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: 801 accident Jeff, I think most 701 builders have added periscope type vent tubes to their caps to both provide positive ventilation to the tanks, and help stop some of the spillage during maneuvers. Before adding the vent tubes, the top of our wings, and the bottom skins too, were stained by the awful yellow autogas we use. If we filled the tanks and went flying, we had to clean the skins several times over the next few days. We did that and it really helped. I don't think this is discussed in the plans, but probably should be in my opinion. Also, if you add the vent tubes, be sure to solder the vents inside the cap closed. Take care, Tommy Walker in Alabama n85ae wrote: > Not that this is even remotely related to why the airplane in the report > crashed, but I'd be seriously looking at the fuel caps. After looking long > and hard at my fuel caps, at least one of mine has the internal metal > stamping done so crudely that the vents are effectively blocked. The > rest are pretty bad as well. > > So I'm reworking mine, similar in fashion to my Kitfox's with with > the little forward facing pitot style tubes. > > Another item, I can't believe Zenith delivers with the kit. > > Regards, > Jeff -------- Tommy Walker N8701 - Anniston, AL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249258#249258 **************Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your fingertips. (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolclassifieds/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000004) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:15:03 PM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Landings at idle. From: "jetboy" I was out flying yesterday so took the opportunity to get some figures including a power off landing from 1000' into a 15 Kts direct crosswind. there was no difficulty with a 50-55kt approach flap 16 although the turn onto base with 15 kts tailwind was 'interesting' at 960 lbs load, the sink rate and calculated glide was 700 fpm @ 60 Kts, glide 8.7:1 600 fpm @ 50 Kts, (55 mph) glide 8.4:1 500 fpm @ 40 Kts approx. glide 8.1:1 The glide calculation was based on distance travelled at the speed indicated and not corrected for flightpath angle so is approximate. What I learned from this is the best way to stretch a glide distance is going to be at the upper end of the speed range. I use not less than 50 Kts (55mph) for most situations, as it feels optimum. I had no time to measure flap 16 figures. Ralph -------- Ralph - CH701 / 2200a Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249277#249277 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:22:17 PM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: My web site From: "Tommy Walker" Keith, Yes. I get every thing drilled and take it apart for deburring and then clamp the sheets to my work table and go over them with the Nuvite. I use F9 for a couple of passes, then put it all back together again. If you do it this way, be sure to clamp the skins to the table.... They can fly away from you if you just leave them loose on the table. Tommy Do Not Archive "...Are you polishing as you build? Everything looks like you have taken Nuvite to it...." -------- Tommy Walker N8701 - Anniston, AL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249279#249279 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:00 PM PST US From: Keith Ashcraft Subject: Zenith701801-List: My Web Site Hey Tommy, Another quick question. Since you polish as you go, can you paint over polished Aluminum without a lot of prep? Do you prep the polished surface like you would (un-polished) surface? Keith (trying my hand at bucking my first solid rivets. Not so good yet) ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:50 PM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: My web site From: "Tommy Walker" Keith, I have no idea. The parts that I plan to paint, I don't polish I would think that if you scratch up a polished surface you can paint it. The polishing makes the surface so smooth that I doubt paint would stick to it. Keep on bucking.... Tommy Walker Definitely Do Not Archive [quote="ch701builder(at)yahoo.com"]Hey Tommy, Another quick question. Since you polish as you go, can you paint over polished Aluminum without a lot of prep? Do you prep the polished surface like you would (un-polished) surface? Keith (trying my hand at bucking my first solid rivets. Not so good yet) > [b] -------- Tommy Walker N8701 - Anniston, AL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249316#249316 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message zenith701801-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Zenith701801-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/zenith701801-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/zenith701801-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.