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1. 01:54 AM - Re: Alaska CH701's (d.shrader)
2. 02:23 AM - Re: Quick Fuel Drains (d.shrader)
3. 06:34 AM - Chat Reminder (George Race)
4. 06:47 AM - Items for sale (george.mueller@aurora.org)
5. 07:35 AM - Re: Items for sale (Larry)
6. 10:23 AM - Re: Re: 801 accident-Fuel caps (Les Goldner)
7. 11:07 AM - Re: Re: 801 accident-Fuel caps (Craig Payne)
8. 03:29 PM - Re: Re: 801 accident-Fuel caps (NYTerminat@aol.com)
9. 10:05 PM - Re: Alaska CH701's (n7hqk)
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| Subject: | Re: Alaska CH701's |
Hi n7
I'm only 20 mi north of the arctic circle....lol Kotzebue here. myself and two
other A&P are building 3 701's. Next time u come through stop bye the Bering
Air shop. Were scratch building and so far the rudder, horizontal, elevator,
and spars are done for all three planes....we started in Oct. and love the building
progress. Ive read about a couple of 701's in anchorage that belong to
the local EAA members but haven't seen them yet. Good luck on the build (I'm
loving it.....even the mistakes) and ill try to answer your Q's if you throw
me slow balls.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Quick Fuel Drains |
Dan
Ive replaced my share of quick drains both the t locking type and the push type,
the t type is a better design but the push type should hold up for better
than a year.....3 to 5 yrs. this has been my experience on A/C running only
100LL, might be the gas. The most common problem Ive seen 9 times out of 10 is
a paint chip no matter how small will get stuck between the "o" ring and the
seat. and its always paint chips too. Every time i find one I'm still amazed
at the odds it would be to catch a small piece like that going past the seat.
I think Ive rotated the sump drains at least 4 times on 10 planes, replacing
the leaker, removing paint chip, and putting it back in stock for next time.
Dave
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I have some items that might be of interest to 701 builders that are
surplus to my needs. I will include shipping with all of the prices
below.
1) New never used 701 control stick from the factory item #7C2-1 (cost
new from Zenith $119): $80.
2) A Woodcomp 3 blade 68" "Klassic" prop (cost new from Woodcomp is
$1532), 30 hours total time since new, Rotax hub, no damage whatsoever,
never run in rain: $700.
3) Spinner for the Klassic prop (cost new from Woodcomp $250): $150.
4) Prop extension for this prop for 701 installation (I think it is a
1.5" extension but I would have to check): $60.
5) An old style turn and bank instrument (with the vertical needle
indicating a bank) to help keep the wings level in low vis conditions:
$150.
Email me off list if you are interested: george.mueller@aurora.org
George in Milwaukee
N701GM
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| Subject: | Re: Items for sale |
What's the bolt pattern and direction of your prop? Larry, N1345L
george.mueller@aurora.org wrote:
> I have some items that might be of interest to 701 builders that are
> surplus to my needs. I will include shipping with all of the prices
> below.
>
> 1) New never used 701 control stick from the factory item #7C2-1 (cost
> new from Zenith $119): $80.
> 2) A Woodcomp 3 blade 68" "Klassic" prop (cost new from Woodcomp is
> $1532), 30 hours total time since new, Rotax hub, no damage whatsoever,
> never run in rain: $700.
> 3) Spinner for the Klassic prop (cost new from Woodcomp $250): $150.
> 4) Prop extension for this prop for 701 installation (I think it is a
> 1.5" extension but I would have to check): $60.
> 5) An old style turn and bank instrument (with the vertical needle
> indicating a bank) to help keep the wings level in low vis conditions:
> $150.
>
> Email me off list if you are interested: george.mueller@aurora.org
>
>
>
> George in Milwaukee
> N701GM
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| Subject: | Re: 801 accident-Fuel caps |
Guys,
I purchased a few of these Wag Aero fuel caps for my 701. Easy to bend and
they fit nice and tight. However I have not used them for two reasons. (1)
They stick up higher and are not as streamlined. I don't want more drag and
flow interference on top of the wing. (2) I don't like fixing things that
aren't broken. The Zenith provided caps with a 1/16th" hole in the middle
seem to work fine.
Les
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
NYTerminat@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: 801 accident
Craig,
That is what I used and like Tommy said, no more venting fuel over the
wings. I am very happy with them
Bob Spudis
In a message dated 6/20/2009 6:04:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
craig@craigandjean.com writes:
<craig@craigandjean.com>
For those of you who don't want to weld/braze/solder a vent tube onto your
existing caps: Wag Aero sells a "Ram Air Pressure Cap" (SKU: E-481-000,
$37.95) that I think fits the 701 factor tank flanges. The vent tube comes
unbent (sticks straight up) so you can bend it to face forward. I haven't
tried one yet.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tommy
Walker
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 3:40 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: 801 accident
<twalker@cableone.net>
Jeff,
I think most 701 builders have added periscope type vent tubes to their caps
to both provide positive ventilation to the tanks, and help stop some of the
spillage during maneuvers. Before adding the vent tubes, the top of our
wings, and the bottom skins too, were stained by the awful yellow autogas we
use. If we filled the tanks and went flying, we had to clean the skins
several times over the next few days.
We did that and it really helped. I don't think this is discussed in the
plans, but probably should be in my opinion.
Also, if you add the vent tubes, be sure to solder the vents inside the cap
closed.
Take care,
Tommy Walker in Alabama
n85ae wrote:
> Not that this is even remotely related to why the airplane in the report
> crashed, but I'd be seriously looking at the fuel caps. After looking long
> and hard at my fuel caps, at least one of mine has the internal metal
> stamping done so crudely that the vents are effectively blocked. The
> rest are pretty bad as well.
>
> So I'm reworking mine, similar in fashion to my Kitfox's with with
> the little forward facing pitot style tubes.
>
> Another item, I can't believe Zenith delivers with the kit.
>
> Regards,
> Jeff
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N8701 - Anniston, AL
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| Subject: | Re: 801 accident-Fuel caps |
I'm just guessing but it may be that different 701 fuel system designs
influence the spillage. It seems everyone does their fuel system internals
differently.
Les: if you still have the Wag Aero caps do you want to sell them? Respond
direct to craig "at" craingandjean.com
-- Craig
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les
Goldner
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 11:23 AM
Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Re: 801 accident-Fuel caps
Guys,
I purchased a few of these Wag Aero fuel caps for my 701. Easy to bend and
they fit nice and tight. However I have not used them for two reasons. (1)
They stick up higher and are not as streamlined. I don't want more drag and
flow interference on top of the wing. (2) I don't like fixing things that
aren't broken. The Zenith provided caps with a 1/16th" hole in the middle
seem to work fine.
Les
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
NYTerminat@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: 801 accident
Craig,
That is what I used and like Tommy said, no more venting fuel over the
wings. I am very happy with them
Bob Spudis
In a message dated 6/20/2009 6:04:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
craig@craigandjean.com writes:
<craig@craigandjean.com>
For those of you who don't want to weld/braze/solder a vent tube onto your
existing caps: Wag Aero sells a "Ram Air Pressure Cap" (SKU: E-481-000,
$37.95) that I think fits the 701 factor tank flanges. The vent tube comes
unbent (sticks straight up) so you can bend it to face forward. I haven't
tried one yet.
-- Craig
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tommy
Walker
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 3:40 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: 801 accident
<twalker@cableone.net>
Jeff,
I think most 701 builders have added periscope type vent tubes to their caps
to both provide positive ventilation to the tanks, and help stop some of the
spillage during maneuvers. Before adding the vent tubes, the top of our
wings, and the bottom skins too, were stained by the awful yellow autogas we
use. If we filled the tanks and went flying, we had to clean the skins
several times over the next few days.
We did that and it really helped. I don't think this is discussed in the
plans, but probably should be in my opinion.
Also, if you add the vent tubes, be sure to solder the vents inside the cap
closed.
Take care,
Tommy Walker in Alabama
n85ae wrote:
> Not that this is even remotely related to why the airplane in the report
> crashed, but I'd be seriously looking at the fuel caps. After looking long
> and hard at my fuel caps, at least one of mine has the internal metal
> stamping done so crudely that the vents are effectively blocked. The
> rest are pretty bad as well.
>
> So I'm reworking mine, similar in fashion to my Kitfox's with with
> the little forward facing pitot style tubes.
>
> Another item, I can't believe Zenith delivers with the kit.
>
> Regards,
> Jeff
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N8701 - Anniston, AL
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| Subject: | Re: 801 accident-Fuel caps |
Les, The Zenith 7-V-11 drawing shows you drilling an additional 1/8" hole
in the cap. Look at 1K at the top left of he drawing. Not sure if everyon
e
has done this or not. A 1/16" hole does not vent much fuel.
Bob Spudis
N701ZX/CH701/912S/175hrs
In a message dated 6/22/2009 1:24:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
lgold@quantum-associates.com writes:
Guys,
I purchased a few of these Wag Aero fuel caps for my 701. Easy to bend an
d
they fit nice and tight. However I have not used them for two reasons. (1
)
They stick up higher and are not as streamlined. I don=99t want mor
e drag
and flow interference on top of the wing. (2) I don=99t like fixing
things that
aren=99t broken. The Zenith provided caps with a 1/16th=9D ho
le in the middle
seem to work fine.
Les
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of NYTerm
inat@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: 801 accident
Craig,
That is what I used and like Tommy said, no more venting fuel over the
wings. I am very happy with them
Bob Spudis
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| Subject: | Re: Alaska CH701's |
Great! I usually fly direct to Anchorage. But maybe I can make a side trip on
one R&R. Right now I'm putting together plans to move my shop tools up to Wasilla
from Cedar City UT. Will be making the trip next month... Renting a U-Haul!
Whew that will make Alcan trip # 15! I Must be nuts... :?
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Ray D. Congdon - N7HQK
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