---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith701801-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 06/22/09: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:54 AM - Re: Alaska CH701's (d.shrader) 2. 02:23 AM - Re: Quick Fuel Drains (d.shrader) 3. 06:34 AM - Chat Reminder (George Race) 4. 06:47 AM - Items for sale (george.mueller@aurora.org) 5. 07:35 AM - Re: Items for sale (Larry) 6. 10:23 AM - Re: Re: 801 accident-Fuel caps (Les Goldner) 7. 11:07 AM - Re: Re: 801 accident-Fuel caps (Craig Payne) 8. 03:29 PM - Re: Re: 801 accident-Fuel caps (NYTerminat@aol.com) 9. 10:05 PM - Re: Alaska CH701's (n7hqk) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:54:17 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Alaska CH701's From: "d.shrader" Hi n7 I'm only 20 mi north of the arctic circle....lol Kotzebue here. myself and two other A&P are building 3 701's. Next time u come through stop bye the Bering Air shop. Were scratch building and so far the rudder, horizontal, elevator, and spars are done for all three planes....we started in Oct. and love the building progress. Ive read about a couple of 701's in anchorage that belong to the local EAA members but haven't seen them yet. Good luck on the build (I'm loving it.....even the mistakes) and ill try to answer your Q's if you throw me slow balls. Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249473#249473 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:23:56 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Quick Fuel Drains From: "d.shrader" Dan Ive replaced my share of quick drains both the t locking type and the push type, the t type is a better design but the push type should hold up for better than a year.....3 to 5 yrs. this has been my experience on A/C running only 100LL, might be the gas. The most common problem Ive seen 9 times out of 10 is a paint chip no matter how small will get stuck between the "o" ring and the seat. and its always paint chips too. Every time i find one I'm still amazed at the odds it would be to catch a small piece like that going past the seat. I think Ive rotated the sump drains at least 4 times on 10 planes, replacing the leaker, removing paint chip, and putting it back in stock for next time. Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249475#249475 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:59 AM PST US From: "George Race" Subject: Zenith701801-List: Chat Reminder Live Chat Room every Monday evening around 8:00 EDT www.mykitairplane.com Click on the Chat Room link on the page. George Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:47:58 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Items for sale From: george.mueller@aurora.org I have some items that might be of interest to 701 builders that are surplus to my needs. I will include shipping with all of the prices below. 1) New never used 701 control stick from the factory item #7C2-1 (cost new from Zenith $119): $80. 2) A Woodcomp 3 blade 68" "Klassic" prop (cost new from Woodcomp is $1532), 30 hours total time since new, Rotax hub, no damage whatsoever, never run in rain: $700. 3) Spinner for the Klassic prop (cost new from Woodcomp $250): $150. 4) Prop extension for this prop for 701 installation (I think it is a 1.5" extension but I would have to check): $60. 5) An old style turn and bank instrument (with the vertical needle indicating a bank) to help keep the wings level in low vis conditions: $150. Email me off list if you are interested: george.mueller@aurora.org George in Milwaukee N701GM ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:26 AM PST US From: Larry Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Items for sale What's the bolt pattern and direction of your prop? Larry, N1345L george.mueller@aurora.org wrote: > I have some items that might be of interest to 701 builders that are > surplus to my needs. I will include shipping with all of the prices > below. > > 1) New never used 701 control stick from the factory item #7C2-1 (cost > new from Zenith $119): $80. > 2) A Woodcomp 3 blade 68" "Klassic" prop (cost new from Woodcomp is > $1532), 30 hours total time since new, Rotax hub, no damage whatsoever, > never run in rain: $700. > 3) Spinner for the Klassic prop (cost new from Woodcomp $250): $150. > 4) Prop extension for this prop for 701 installation (I think it is a > 1.5" extension but I would have to check): $60. > 5) An old style turn and bank instrument (with the vertical needle > indicating a bank) to help keep the wings level in low vis conditions: > $150. > > Email me off list if you are interested: george.mueller@aurora.org > > > > George in Milwaukee > N701GM > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:23:28 AM PST US From: "Les Goldner" Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Re: 801 accident-Fuel caps Guys, I purchased a few of these Wag Aero fuel caps for my 701. Easy to bend and they fit nice and tight. However I have not used them for two reasons. (1) They stick up higher and are not as streamlined. I don't want more drag and flow interference on top of the wing. (2) I don't like fixing things that aren't broken. The Zenith provided caps with a 1/16th" hole in the middle seem to work fine. Les From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of NYTerminat@aol.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 3:44 PM Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: 801 accident Craig, That is what I used and like Tommy said, no more venting fuel over the wings. I am very happy with them Bob Spudis In a message dated 6/20/2009 6:04:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, craig@craigandjean.com writes: For those of you who don't want to weld/braze/solder a vent tube onto your existing caps: Wag Aero sells a "Ram Air Pressure Cap" (SKU: E-481-000, $37.95) that I think fits the 701 factor tank flanges. The vent tube comes unbent (sticks straight up) so you can bend it to face forward. I haven't tried one yet. -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tommy Walker Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 3:40 PM Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: 801 accident Jeff, I think most 701 builders have added periscope type vent tubes to their caps to both provide positive ventilation to the tanks, and help stop some of the spillage during maneuvers. Before adding the vent tubes, the top of our wings, and the bottom skins too, were stained by the awful yellow autogas we use. If we filled the tanks and went flying, we had to clean the skins several times over the next few days. We did that and it really helped. I don't think this is discussed in the plans, but probably should be in my opinion. Also, if you add the vent tubes, be sure to solder the vents inside the cap closed. Take care, Tommy Walker in Alabama n85ae wrote: > Not that this is even remotely related to why the airplane in the report > crashed, but I'd be seriously looking at the fuel caps. After looking long > and hard at my fuel caps, at least one of mine has the internal metal > stamping done so crudely that the vents are effectively blocked. The > rest are pretty bad as well. > > So I'm reworking mine, similar in fashion to my Kitfox's with with > the little forward facing pitot style tubes. > > Another item, I can't believe Zenith delivers with the kit. > > Regards, > Jeff -------- Tommy Walker N8701 - Anniston, AL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249258#249258================== ============================== Use utilities Day ================================================ - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS ================================================ - List Contribution Web Site sp; ================================================== _____ Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your fingertips. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:07:43 AM PST US From: "Craig Payne" Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Re: 801 accident-Fuel caps I'm just guessing but it may be that different 701 fuel system designs influence the spillage. It seems everyone does their fuel system internals differently. Les: if you still have the Wag Aero caps do you want to sell them? Respond direct to craig "at" craingandjean.com -- Craig From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Goldner Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 11:23 AM Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Re: 801 accident-Fuel caps Guys, I purchased a few of these Wag Aero fuel caps for my 701. Easy to bend and they fit nice and tight. However I have not used them for two reasons. (1) They stick up higher and are not as streamlined. I don't want more drag and flow interference on top of the wing. (2) I don't like fixing things that aren't broken. The Zenith provided caps with a 1/16th" hole in the middle seem to work fine. Les From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of NYTerminat@aol.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 3:44 PM Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: 801 accident Craig, That is what I used and like Tommy said, no more venting fuel over the wings. I am very happy with them Bob Spudis In a message dated 6/20/2009 6:04:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, craig@craigandjean.com writes: For those of you who don't want to weld/braze/solder a vent tube onto your existing caps: Wag Aero sells a "Ram Air Pressure Cap" (SKU: E-481-000, $37.95) that I think fits the 701 factor tank flanges. The vent tube comes unbent (sticks straight up) so you can bend it to face forward. I haven't tried one yet. -- Craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tommy Walker Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 3:40 PM Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: 801 accident Jeff, I think most 701 builders have added periscope type vent tubes to their caps to both provide positive ventilation to the tanks, and help stop some of the spillage during maneuvers. Before adding the vent tubes, the top of our wings, and the bottom skins too, were stained by the awful yellow autogas we use. If we filled the tanks and went flying, we had to clean the skins several times over the next few days. We did that and it really helped. I don't think this is discussed in the plans, but probably should be in my opinion. Also, if you add the vent tubes, be sure to solder the vents inside the cap closed. Take care, Tommy Walker in Alabama n85ae wrote: > Not that this is even remotely related to why the airplane in the report > crashed, but I'd be seriously looking at the fuel caps. After looking long > and hard at my fuel caps, at least one of mine has the internal metal > stamping done so crudely that the vents are effectively blocked. The > rest are pretty bad as well. > > So I'm reworking mine, similar in fashion to my Kitfox's with with > the little forward facing pitot style tubes. > > Another item, I can't believe Zenith delivers with the kit. > > Regards, > Jeff -------- Tommy Walker N8701 - Anniston, AL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=249258#249258================== ===== Use utilities Day ======================= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS ======================= - List Contribution Web Site sp; _____ Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your fingertips. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Zenith701801-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:29:54 PM PST US From: NYTerminat@aol.com Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: 801 accident-Fuel caps Les, The Zenith 7-V-11 drawing shows you drilling an additional 1/8" hole in the cap. Look at 1K at the top left of he drawing. Not sure if everyon e has done this or not. A 1/16" hole does not vent much fuel. Bob Spudis N701ZX/CH701/912S/175hrs In a message dated 6/22/2009 1:24:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lgold@quantum-associates.com writes: Guys, I purchased a few of these Wag Aero fuel caps for my 701. Easy to bend an d they fit nice and tight. However I have not used them for two reasons. (1 ) They stick up higher and are not as streamlined. I don=99t want mor e drag and flow interference on top of the wing. (2) I don=99t like fixing things that aren=99t broken. The Zenith provided caps with a 1/16th=9D ho le in the middle seem to work fine. Les From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of NYTerm inat@aol.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 3:44 PM Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: 801 accident Craig, That is what I used and like Tommy said, no more venting fuel over the wings. I am very happy with them Bob Spudis **************Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000004) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:05:53 PM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Alaska CH701's From: "n7hqk" Great! I usually fly direct to Anchorage. But maybe I can make a side trip on one R&R. Right now I'm putting together plans to move my shop tools up to Wasilla from Cedar City UT. Will be making the trip next month... Renting a U-Haul! Whew that will make Alcan trip # 15! I Must be nuts... :? -------- Ray D. 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