---------------------------------------------------------- Zenith701801-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 06/30/09: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:28 AM - Re: Dead Stick takeoff (Carlos Sa) 2. 10:49 AM - a new type of tail-dragger (ejessee) 3. 11:21 AM - Re: a new type of tail-dragger (MacDonald Doug) 4. 02:02 PM - Data Plate (Mike Hoffman) 5. 02:24 PM - Re: Data Plate (Mark Colbeck) 6. 04:35 PM - Re: Dead Stick takeoff (Dan Wilde) 7. 09:33 PM - Re: Alaska CH701's (d.shrader) 8. 09:51 PM - Re: 701 fuel system design (d.shrader) 9. 10:08 PM - Re: Re: 701 fuel system design (Curt Thompson) 10. 10:53 PM - Re: Re: 701 fuel system design (xl) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:28:24 AM PST US Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Dead Stick takeoff From: Carlos Sa There are more by the same author. Was the pilot nominated for the Darwin Awards? :-) http://www.darwinawards.com/ Carlos do not archive 2009/6/29 Dan Wilde > > You need to watch this. It is outrageous! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z985xdXW-3w > > The video is from an EAA member in Kalispell, MT. > > Dan Wilde > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:49:04 AM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: a new type of tail-dragger From: "ejessee" Greetings, I am a student. I have logged ~25 hours in my 701 and >15 in another plane. I plan to take my sport pilot check-ride next week. Last night, I was doing a simulated soft-field take-off. I pulled the stick back too far, and when I went full throttle, the tail touched the runway. I never left the ground and immediately pulled off the runway. My instructor and I did a thorough inspection deemed the damage cosmetic. No bolts touched the ground. No deformation of the rudder structure or mounting holes. The rudder only had a scratch on the bottom edge. Other than that, there was a bent tail tie-down bracket which absorbed the brunt of the force. I have already straightened this bracket with no problem.. Anyone else had this happen. This was not my first soft-field simulation. I am embarrassed. At any rate. I just wanted to share. Any new 701 pilots out there beware. It happened fast. Go easy on the stick back-pressure at take-off when simulating soft-fields on a hard runway. -------- Ernest Jessee Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=250799#250799 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:21:19 AM PST US From: MacDonald Doug Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: a new type of tail-dragger Ernest, don't feel bad, I've noticed grass sticking out of the rudder on the factory demonstrator on a couple of occasions at Oshkosh. Some pilots go so far as to modify the tail tie down ring with a rollerblade wheel . Doug MacDonald CH-701 Scratch Builder NW Ontario, Canada --- On Tue, 6/30/09, ejessee wrote: > From: ejessee > Subject: Zenith701801-List: a new type of tail-dragger > To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com > Received: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 12:48 PM > --> Zenith701801-List message > posted by: "ejessee" > > Greetings, > I am a student. I have logged ~25 hours in my 701 and > >15 in another plane. I plan to take my sport pilot > check-ride next week. Last night, I was doing a > simulated soft-field take-off. I pulled the stick back > too far, and when I went full throttle, the tail touched the > runway. > > I never left the ground and immediately pulled off the > runway. My instructor and I did a thorough inspection > deemed the damage cosmetic. No bolts touched the > ground. No deformation of the rudder structure or > mounting holes. The rudder only had a scratch on the > bottom edge. Other than that, there was a bent tail > tie-down bracket which absorbed the brunt of the > force. I have already straightened this bracket with > no problem.. > > Anyone else had this happen. This was not my first > soft-field simulation. I am embarrassed. > > At any rate. I just wanted to share. Any new > 701 pilots out there beware. It happened fast. > Go easy on the stick back-pressure at take-off when > simulating soft-fields on a hard runway. > > -------- > Ernest Jessee > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=250799#250799 > > > > > > > > Zenith701801-List Email Forum - > FAQ, > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > > > > __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:02:14 PM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Data Plate From: "Mike Hoffman" I just received my new Airframe data plate from George Race (mykitplane@mrrace.com) and he has done a first class job of engraving it. George, thank you for the great data plate and the super fast shipment. Very impressive!! Mike Hoffman Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=250833#250833 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:24:00 PM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Data Plate From: "Mark Colbeck" I have ordered the access/inspection plates from George and was very impressed as well. Quick shipping to Canada and a great finished product. I will be ordering the tie downs here shortly Thanks again George. -------- CH701 70% Complete www.mykitlog.com/mcolbeck Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=250839#250839 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:35:12 PM PST US From: Dan Wilde Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Dead Stick takeoff Carlos Sa wrote: > There are more by the same author. > Was the pilot nominated for the Darwin Awards? :-) > > Did you note the nervous laughter when he took his wife down the cliff? :>) Dan Wilde ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:33:52 PM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: Alaska CH701's From: "d.shrader" Ray i just met Rob Stapleton from the anchorage eaa chapter 42 www.eaa42.org great guy . he says that there are a couple 701's flying in his chapter and a 801 plus a 701 in progress ... check out the site (i would join if i was closer), might be something for you to consider. He said that there is a wasillia chapter too. ribs and nose ribs installed on 3 left wings Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=250903#250903 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0190_167.jpg ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:51:41 PM PST US Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 fuel system design From: "d.shrader" If I has only a single tank in each wing I would use the same setup with an on-off selector switch on each wing root. Simple and safe. Les Les I am installing Aux. tanks also and that is my idea also "selectors at wing root Main/Aux/off" then to the normal gascolator and to a firewall shutoff. My question for you is what selectors did u use and can u share pics of your instlation? Also is there any problem with the selectors at the wing root and removing the wing? Thanks Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=250904#250904 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:08:58 PM PST US From: "Curt Thompson" Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 fuel system design There is one CH701 incident in the NTSB database where the pilot forgot to turn the valve off on one of the lines when he landed. He normally did that. When he got in next time, he turned the valve off instead of on. Engine ran out of fuel shortly after takeoff. BTW, I found a dozen or so incident reports in the database. Only one fatal. Most were engine/fuel related. Curt -----Original Message----- From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of d.shrader Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 9:51 PM Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 fuel system design If I has only a single tank in each wing I would use the same setup with an on-off selector switch on each wing root. Simple and safe. Les ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:53:38 PM PST US From: xl Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Re: 701 fuel system design I have a program that goes through the NTSB database daily looking for Zenith incidents. Last count, 25 701, 6 801, and a few other 701s under the Zenair model. The report is at: NTSB Accident Data for Zenith, Zodiac, Zenair, 801, 701, 601, amd, czech as of 06/30/2009 04:04 GMT-07:00 http://www.cleanh2o.com/633z/ntsb/ Joe E @ BFI N633Z, 585 hours + climbing CH601XL p.s. I'll be working the ramp at the AWO flyin next week, when I can fly in from BFI. My plane will be there if I am. On Tue, 30 Jun 2009, Curt Thompson wrote: > .......snip > BTW, I found a dozen or so incident reports in the database. Only one > fatal. 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