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1. 04:37 AM - Re: Wheel shake (Tommy Walker)
2. 04:42 AM - Re: Aproximate location of the hole for the throttle handle in t (Tommy Walker)
3. 08:42 AM - My definition of the "Bunny Hop" (ricklach)
4. 10:13 AM - Re: My definition of the "Bunny Hop" (Randall Hebert)
5. 10:48 AM - Re: Re: Aproximate location of the hole for the throttle handle in t (John Marzulli)
6. 11:41 AM - Re: My definition of the "Bunny Hop" (Randall Hebert)
7. 12:42 PM - Bunny hop (Joe Spencer)
8. 02:18 PM - Re: Bunny hop (Randall Hebert)
9. 02:33 PM - Re: Bunny hop (Randall Hebert)
10. 08:03 PM - Re: Bunny hop (Roy Szarafinski)
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Mike,
When you are doing your taxi tests, at about 25-30 mph, try to get the nose wheel
to come off the ground and taxi down t he taxiway with just the mains on the
ground. you will be going to slow to get in the the air, but you can taxi
using the rudder to control direction.
That's what we did. My building partner was better at it than me. He could taxi
for almost 1/2 mile with the nose up in the air. It is a delicate balance,
but the more you practice, the better you'll get. Just pull the throttle back
when you think things are getting a little too much....
Good Luck! and
Do Not Archive this or anything I ever post on the internet. :)
Mike Hoffman wrote:
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>
> PS Does anybody have any suggestions or experiences with the bunny / crow hop
thing??
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Tommy Walker
N8701 - Anniston, AL
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| Subject: | Re: Aproximate location of the hole for the throttle |
handle in t
John, I reserved the left 1/5th of the panel on each side for this. I put the
choke on the left, nearest the door and the throttle above that. I put the elevator
trim just above the throttle so I could operate the trim without removing
my hand from the throttle.
On the other side, I put the cabin heat, Hobbs, and other throttle.
I can send pics if you want.
Tommy Walker in Alabama
Do Not Archive this or anything I ever post on the internet. :)
[quote="john.marzulli(at)gmail.co"]
Can someone give me the approximate position? I am laying out my instrument panel
and want to know what area I need to reserve.
?
?
Thanks,
John Marzulli
> [b]
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Tommy Walker
N8701 - Anniston, AL
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| Subject: | My definition of the "Bunny Hop" |
I must say that there were some superb explanations of the Bunny Hop and the Crow
Hop on some other postings but in my experience driving a 701 they didnt have
fur or feathers. On Final Final, that last 20-feet of decent if you allow the
sink rate to get to high for what ever reason, the 701 comes down too fast
on the main gear. After that your almost along for the ride, meaning, since the
main gear is nothing but a BIG SPRING, it launches you right back into the air
around 10-feet or so. Now your still tiring to fly the plane but Im told that
no matter how much up-elevator you put in the airplane still makes a nice ark
and comes down on the nose gear. If youve don it right the plane just flops
back down on its main gear and all is well that ends well. But if youre too aggressive
about the maneuver you can cause all kinds of damage to everything,
including falling over on your back. I know Ive NEVER made this mistake but IVE
BEEN TOLD about it.
Rick
P.S. If you want to know if it ever happened to a plane just feel the engine mount
tubing under the top of the nose gear strut and if its dented from the strut
traveling too far up that plane has been bunny hopped. If its a plane your
thinking about buying you should then check the lower nose gear mount and floorboards
for bending and deformation.
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701Driver
N35 26.700, W118 16.743
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| Subject: | My definition of the "Bunny Hop" |
Rick
Does adding power in a Cessna (porpoise) help
Randall J Hebert
Randall J Hebert & Associates, Inc
Consulting Engineers
Ph 337-261-1976 Fx 337-261-1977
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ricklach
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 10:43 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: My definition of the "Bunny Hop"
I must say that there were some superb explanations of the Bunny Hop and the Crow
Hop on some other postings but in my experience driving a 701 they didnt have
fur or feathers. On Final Final, that last 20-feet of decent if you allow the
sink rate to get to high for what ever reason, the 701 comes down too fast
on the main gear. After that your almost along for the ride, meaning, since the
main gear is nothing but a BIG SPRING, it launches you right back into the air
around 10-feet or so. Now your still tiring to fly the plane but Im told that
no matter how much up-elevator you put in the airplane still makes a nice ark
and comes down on the nose gear. If youve don it right the plane just flops
back down on its main gear and all is well that ends well. But if youre too aggressive
about the maneuver you can cause all kinds of damage to everything,
including falling over on your back. I know Ive NEVER made this mistake but IVE
BEEN TOLD about it.
Rick
P.S. If you want to know if it ever happened to a plane just feel the engine mount
tubing under the top of the nose gear strut and if its dented from the strut
traveling too far up that plane has been bunny hopped. If its a plane your
thinking about buying you should then check the lower nose gear mount and floorboards
for bending and deformation.
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701Driver
N35 26.700, W118 16.743
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| Subject: | Re: Aproximate location of the hole for the throttle |
handle in t
That would be great Tommy.
About how far up from the bottom? I was thinking I would put the headset
plugs on the far right and left sides.
Thanks,
John Marzulli
http://www.GenevieveMarzulli.org/
http://MarzulliPhoto.net/
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 4:41 AM, Tommy Walker <twalker@cableone.net> wrote:
> twalker@cableone.net>
>
> John, I reserved the left 1/5th of the panel on each side for this. I put
> the choke on the left, nearest the door and the throttle above that. I put
> the elevator trim just above the throttle so I could operate the trim
> without removing my hand from the throttle.
>
> On the other side, I put the cabin heat, Hobbs, and other throttle.
>
> I can send pics if you want.
>
> Tommy Walker in Alabama
> Do Not Archive this or anything I ever post on the internet. :)
>
>
> [quote="john.marzulli(at)gmail.co"]
> Can someone give me the approximate position? I am laying out my
> instrument panel and want to know what area I need to reserve.
> ?
> ?
> Thanks,
> John Marzulli
>
> > [b]
>
>
> --------
> Tommy Walker
> N8701 - Anniston, AL
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256623#256623
>
>
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| Subject: | My definition of the "Bunny Hop" |
FUNNY
Left out LIKE
Does adding power like in a Cessna 172 (porpoise) help
Randall J Hebert
Randall J Hebert & Associates, Inc
Consulting Engineers
Ph 337-261-1976 Fx 337-261-1977
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randall Hebert
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 12:13 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: My definition of the "Bunny Hop"
Rick
Does adding power in a Cessna (porpoise) help
Randall J Hebert
Randall J Hebert & Associates, Inc
Consulting Engineers
Ph 337-261-1976 Fx 337-261-1977
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ricklach
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 10:43 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: My definition of the "Bunny Hop"
I must say that there were some superb explanations of the Bunny Hop and the Crow
Hop on some other postings but in my experience driving a 701 they didnt have
fur or feathers. On Final Final, that last 20-feet of decent if you allow the
sink rate to get to high for what ever reason, the 701 comes down too fast
on the main gear. After that your almost along for the ride, meaning, since the
main gear is nothing but a BIG SPRING, it launches you right back into the air
around 10-feet or so. Now your still tiring to fly the plane but Im told that
no matter how much up-elevator you put in the airplane still makes a nice ark
and comes down on the nose gear. If youve don it right the plane just flops
back down on its main gear and all is well that ends well. But if youre too aggressive
about the maneuver you can cause all kinds of damage to everything,
including falling over on your back. I know Ive NEVER made thi!
s mistake but IVE BEEN TOLD about it.
Rick
P.S. If you want to know if it ever happened to a plane just feel the engine mount
tubing under the top of the nose gear strut and if its dented from the strut
traveling too far up that plane has been bunny hopped. If its a plane your
thinking about buying you should then check the lower nose gear mount and floorboards
for bending and deformation.
--------
701Driver
N35 26.700, W118 16.743
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>Does adding power like in a Cessna 172 (porpoise) help
Sure does Randall, as you obviously already know... the power is a
flight control just like the other three, and will avoid the high sink
crunch as previously described, or if not applied before it happens,
will avoid the nosewheel crunch that follows. It's called flying the
thing...or, if not applied... just being along for the ride!!!
Good weekend to all
Joe
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Thanks Joe
So "fly the airplane and don't let it fly you" works for the 701? "Smiley
Face"J
Randall J Hebert
Randall J Hebert & Associates, Inc
Consulting Engineers
Ph 337-261-1976 Fx 337-261-1977
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Joe
Spencer
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 2:40 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Bunny hop
>Does adding power like in a Cessna 172 (porpoise) help
Sure does Randall, as you obviously already know... the power is a flight
control just like the other three, and will avoid the high sink crunch as
previously described, or if not applied before it happens, will avoid the
nosewheel crunch that follows. It's called flying the thing...or, if not
applied... just being along for the ride!!!
Good weekend to all
Joe
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Seriously though
The "hop" may be something that is used in flight training or testing is it
not? Rather than the unintentional "botched landing"
Randall J Hebert
701 plans building
N7701P Reserved
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Randall
Hebert
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 4:12 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Bunny hop
Thanks Joe
So "fly the airplane and don't let it fly you" works for the 701? "Smiley
Face"J
Randall J Hebert
Randall J Hebert & Associates, Inc
Consulting Engineers
Ph 337-261-1976 Fx 337-261-1977
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Joe
Spencer
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 2:40 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Bunny hop
>Does adding power like in a Cessna 172 (porpoise) help
Sure does Randall, as you obviously already know... the power is a flight
control just like the other three, and will avoid the high sink crunch as
previously described, or if not applied before it happens, will avoid the
nosewheel crunch that follows. It's called flying the thing...or, if not
applied... just being along for the ride!!!
Good weekend to all
Joe
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Well I guess I have an opinion? An ultralight guy in our club likes to cro
w hop something he has never flown or has never flown. Its pretty difficult
for him to have a type experienced pilot with him in a single place and he
won't find someone to fly it first. He builds confidence in himself and in
the plane.=0A=0AMy opinion is that if you don't have confidence in the pla
ne, the rigging or how it was built, it shouldn't be flown. If you don't ha
ve confidence in your abilities you shouldn't fly. To me the stakes are too
high, it's either right and you know it's right or you don't and its not.
Either you have or had experience in type or you don't. =0A=0ABeing a new p
ilot with a new plane I will endeavor to get experience in a 701 (not mine)
and be certain everything is as it is supposed to be before anyone flies i
t. I don't think crow, bunny, porpoising or sock hopping is training or tes
ting. But hey, I am somewhat new and don't know anything anyway.=0A=0ARoy S
zarafinski=0A701 plans, corvair etc, getting ready for my x-country and che
ck ride, did one go around yesterday, nasty, gusty cross wind, and rain, di
dn't want to botch up a $130k airplane, throttle and altitude were my frien
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