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1. 06:48 AM - Re: Wheel shake (Paul Tipton)
2. 07:51 AM - Thanks for the throttle advise! (John Marzulli)
3. 08:54 AM - Re: My definition of the "Bunny Hop" (ricklach)
4. 09:56 AM - Re: Wheel shake (ronlee)
5. 10:43 AM - Re: Re: Wheel shake (Curt Thompson)
6. 10:43 AM - Re: Re: My definition of the "Bunny Hop" (BokKat)
7. 12:06 PM - Re: Re: Wheel shake (Robert D. Taylor)
8. 01:17 PM - Chat Room Reminder (George Race)
9. 02:06 PM - Re: Re: Wheel shake (Tom Longo)
10. 05:37 PM - 701 older style cowling (Elwood140@aol.com)
11. 06:52 PM - Re: My definition of the "Bunny Hop" (kmccune)
12. 08:17 PM - Re: 701 older style cowling (MacDonald Doug)
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One thing to do with balancing tires, if the tire seems to need too much
weight, if often helps to turn the tire on the wheel 180 degrees.
Remember it is the wheel/tire combination you are balancing, not just the
tire.
This info. from a "tire buster" many years ago!
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| Subject: | Thanks for the throttle advise! |
Thanks for those who gave me locations for the throttle.
I am planning on sticking with the Zenith "T" handles, so my panel had to be
rearranged a bit.
Here is a pic: http://marzulliphoto.net/photos/615553522_Fby52-M.jpg
Also I ended up using the FlightGrip handles for my stick. I have some
pictures of the grips here:
http://marzulliphoto.net/photos/615554216_mCB8u-M.jpg
Thanks,
John Marzulli
http://www.GenevieveMarzulli.org/
http://MarzulliPhoto.net/
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
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| Subject: | Re: My definition of the "Bunny Hop" |
Hi Randall,
Yes adding power helps or stops the rapid decent. The problem is youre usually
behind the curve by the time you get the power in and then your uncoordinated
with the airplane. Ive done it a couple of times but not to bad. There are so
many ways to land the 701 it takes a while learn them and get proficient. But
thats OK because that means you have to practice more and that means you get to
fly more and thats GOOD.
One other thing, every time Ive made this mistake it was when I was trying to make
a SPOT-Landing. Meaning I was trying to put the mains on a specific spot on
the runway like the numbers. If youre a little high and you pull the power to
slow down and hit your mark your concentrating on the mark and miss the fact
that your airspeed bleeds off so fast in the 701 and as a result your vertical
speed is increasing to much in order to hit the spot. So when you hit the spot
you really hit it and get the bounce. Soooo back to practice, practice, practice
and getting that feel in your butt for that type of landing.
Rick
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701Driver
N35 26.700, W118 16.743
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To make a real neat job of balancing using the least amount of weight try jacking
up the wheel and taping the appropriate amount of weight to the outside of
the tire until it is balanced. When it is in balance transfer the like amount
of weight to the inside. A proper weight vulcanizing patch works perfect. This
is all sort of like putting a boot in a tire as they did years ago.
Another benefit to this method is that it takes much less weight to do the job
as it is much further out on the radius then putting weights on the rim..
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Ron Lee
Tucson, Arizona
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Does anyone know where to get the balancing weights that go on the inside of
the tire?
Curt
Plans building CH701
Redmond, WA, USA
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| Subject: | Re: My definition of the "Bunny Hop" |
Absolutely Rick! Whatever you do, don't get seduced into the "stalls at 28
mph" thing, until you REALLY master landing it. What can happen is that
you flare a bit high, get a bit slow, and get behind the power curve and it
stops flying 10 - 15 feet above the ground! That danged gravity reaches
up and snatches it down - hard, too!!
>From watching the various talks on this website about landing, etc. I think
everyone does this once or twice till you get the hang of it, so be aware of
this and be careful.
Watch the U tube stuff showing spectacular landings, BUT, don't even think
of trying anything like this until you REALLY have landing in all
configurations down pat!
At Oshkosh this year there was an excellent seminar on STOL flying, and one
of the presenters made the point of the design of the main gear being built
to take this sort of abuse, but also to collapse and protect the airplane
and pilot's spine when someone does this very thing!
So as many pointed out, practise, practise, practise! I wish I had read all
these excellent pieces of advice from experienced 701 pilots on this thread
before my first few flights, rather than what I heard from the factory reps
at the previous Oshkosh about "fly it like your Kitfox with a nice slow
approach speed, etc." No Way, at first!!! Fly it like a slow 150 for your
first few landings without flaring too high, then widen the envelope from
there.
A fantastic plane, but after 3000+ flight hours in 30 years flying all kinds
of planes, and only about 75 in the 701, I'm still not completely
comfortable with it landing! Sometimes too fast, other times too slow,
sometimes I don't slip it perfectly, etc.
One of those excellent presenters in Oshkosh, (the fellow from California)
said he felt the same for about the first 300 hours!!!! Like he said, it's
a great airplane and its tough to do something wrong with it, EXCEPT for
landing! So work on those landings in every condition and configurations
and don't be too cocky or try something too far from what you've been
practising, at least for the first 300 hours! Hah!
----- Original Message -----
From: "ricklach" <rick@ravenaviation.us>
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 10:53 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: My definition of the "Bunny Hop"
> <rick@ravenaviation.us>
>
> Hi Randall,
>
> Yes adding power helps or stops the rapid decent. The problem is you?Tre
> usually behind the curve by the time you get the power in and then your
> uncoordinated with the airplane. I?Tve done it a couple of times but not
> to bad. There are so many ways to land the 701 it takes a while learn them
> and get proficient. But that?Ts OK because that means you have to
> practice more and that means you get to fly more and that?Ts GOOD.
>
> One other thing, every time I?Tve made this mistake it was when I was
> trying to make a SPOT-Landing. Meaning I was trying to put the mains on a
> specific spot on the runway like the numbers. If you?Tre a little high
> and you pull the power to slow down and hit your mark your concentrating
> on the mark and miss the fact that your airspeed bleeds off so fast in the
> 701 and as a result your vertical speed is increasing to much in order to
> hit the spot. So when you hit the spot you really hit it and get the
> bounce. Soooo back to practice, practice, practice and getting that feel
> in your butt for that type of landing.
>
> Rick
>
> --------
> 701Driver
> N35 26.700, W118 16.743
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=256953#256953
>
>
>
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I think he meant adding the equivalent weight in tire patching material to
the inside of the tire. I don't think there is a weight especially made for
this application.
Bob Taylor
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curt Thompson" <Curt.Thompson@verizon.net>
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 1:39 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Re: Wheel shake
> <Curt.Thompson@verizon.net>
>
> Does anyone know where to get the balancing weights that go on the inside
> of
> the tire?
>
> Curt
> Plans building CH701
> Redmond, WA, USA
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Chat Room Reminder |
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I use stick on wheel weights that you can purchase from Tower Hobbies
designed for RC airplanes. they come in 1/4 oz sick on strips. I have 5 oz
on one wheel, 4 oz on front wheel and left wheel needed none (Rare) and you
can also get stick on wheel weights from Motorcycle shops, they are used on
all mag style wheels now. They stay on very well if you clean area with Mek,
acetone or lacquer thinner first.
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From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Robert
D. Taylor
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Re: Wheel shake
<FLYDAD57@neo.rr.com>
I think he meant adding the equivalent weight in tire patching material to
the inside of the tire. I don't think there is a weight especially made for
this application.
Bob Taylor
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curt Thompson" <Curt.Thompson@verizon.net>
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 1:39 PM
Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Re: Wheel shake
> <Curt.Thompson@verizon.net>
>
> Does anyone know where to get the balancing weights that go on the inside
> of
> the tire?
>
> Curt
> Plans building CH701
> Redmond, WA, USA
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 701 older style cowling |
Hi all,
I'm working on the cowling install and thought I was about done until I
looked at the front view. With the prop and spinner installed, the cowling
looks off-center. I also find that the right side of the cowling is about
30 mm shorter than the left. I assume that this takes into account the
offset of the mount. Any comments from fellow listers?
Regards,
Larry Wood
(N701LW almost done)
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| Subject: | Re: My definition of the "Bunny Hop" |
Don't say anything about military and the 701, some government idiot will discover
the 702 and find a MISSION for it and the price will quadroupel... onthe the
oterr handI have my plans already and .... [Wink]
dougsnash wrote:
> Naw Kevin, that's just Gus' famous carrier landing in the corvair powered 701.
>
> Seriously though, while Gus recovered excellently from this hard landing, you
can see how things could get scarey in a hurry if you wern't ready to recover
from such an event.
>
> Doug M
> NW Ontario, Canada
> 701 Scratch Builder
>
> Do Not Archive
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> --- On Sun, 8/9/09, kmccune wrote:
>
>
> > From: kmccune
> > Subject: Re: My definition of the "Bunny Hop"
> > To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> > Received: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 5:49 AM
> > --> Zenith701801-List message
> > posted by: "kmccune"
> >
> > This isn't that high but it looks like a bunny hopping to
> > me.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?vKKH_AIXaw
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> __________________________________________________________________
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History is a great teacher if you take time to study it.
Steve Bennett
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| Subject: | Re: 701 older style cowling |
Larry, the cowl should be relatively symmetrical. The engine offset is achieved
by twisting the back of the engine not the front. The prop hub should be approximately
centred in the cowl opening.
Doug MacDonald
CH-701 Scratch Builder
NW Ontario, Canada
Rigging wings
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--- On Mon, 8/10/09, Elwood140@aol.com <Elwood140@aol.com> wrote:
> From: Elwood140@aol.com <Elwood140@aol.com>
> Subject: Zenith701801-List: 701 older style cowling
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> Received: Monday, August 10, 2009, 7:33 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm working on the cowling install and thought I
> was about done until I
> looked at the front view. With the prop and spinner
> installed, the cowling
> looks off-center. I also find that the right side of
> the cowling is about
> 30 mm shorter than the left. I assume that this takes
> into account the
> offset of the mount. Any comments from fellow
> listers?
>
> Regards,
>
> Larry Wood
> (N701LW almost done)
>
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