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1. 08:19 AM - Re: Rudder Skin Question (akskydiver)
2. 02:22 PM - Chat Reminder for Digesters (George Race)
3. 04:12 PM - Re: Rudder Skin Question (Jake Crause)
4. 04:42 PM - Brake for CH701 Matco (Graeme@cole)
5. 05:25 PM - Re: Rudder Skin Question (Bob Percival)
6. 05:52 PM - Re: [Probable Spam] Brake for CH701 Matco (LarryMcFarland)
7. 09:01 PM - Re: [Probable Spam] Brake for CH701 Matco (Graeme@cole)
8. 09:42 PM - Re: [Probable Spam] Brake for CH701 Matco (Mark Sherman)
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Skin Question |
Hi Jake,=0A=0AFor question one, it looks like my rudder skin is the same.
- Your' is not on the rudder yet so I can't tell if it's worse than mine.
- I guess this applies to both questions, but the important thing is the
edge distance of the rivets in the skin.- Some times it might make things
look better to round an edge here and there as long as the pilot holes lin
e up and the edge distance is correct.- =0A=0AThis is my first kit so I'm
not an expert, but that is my two cents.- =0A=0AHave fun building=0A=0AC
hane Burk=0A801 50% done 150% to go=0A928-580-6339=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________
___________________=0AFrom: Jake Crause <jakecrause@yahoo.com>=0ATo: zenith
701801-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 2:04:58 PM=0ASu
bject: Zenith701801-List: Rudder Skin Question=0A=0A=0AHey folks,=0A=0AI've
got two questions concerning-801 rear rudder skin.- Each question has
a photo to go with it.=0A=0AQuestion 1:- If you notice from the photo, th
e edge of the very-forward bottom corner of the skin appears to be uneven
.- What I mean is that when the skin was cut out at the factory it appear
s there was not enough material in the sheet it was cut from to make the sk
in?- It looks like it-runs out of sheet at the bottom.- Is this norma
l?- =0A=0AQuestion 2:- The bottom of-my rudder skin was cut by the bu
ilder assist facility I took delivery of the tail kit from.- Looking at p
hoto two, the very-rear edge near the fold was not cut straight but in an
upward fashion.- The builder manual says cut along the pre-marked line b
ut since it was already cut I don't know where that line was laid out.- I
s this right?=0A=0AThanks guys. -I look forward to hearing from you.=0A
=0AJake Crause=0APooler, GA=0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Skin Question |
Thanks Chane.- I checked the edge distance for the last rivet hole and it
's right at 9.3mm (see photo).- It's not 10mm but it's more than the 2x t
he-diameter which the AC 43.13-dictates.- Interesting that-you had
-a-similar problem.- I may just trim one side to match the other just
for appearances sake.=0A=0ACan anyone else see Phil's response to this que
stion yesterday?- It came as a blank email in my inbox.- I'm wondering
if it's yahoo giving me trouble.- Thanks.=0A=0AJake=0A=0A334-655-7680 (ce
ll)=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: akskydiver <akskydiver
@yahoo.com>=0ATo: zenith701801-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, August 16
, 2009 11:15:39 AM=0ASubject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Rudder Skin Question
=0A=0A=0AHi Jake,=0A=0AFor question one, it looks like my rudder skin is th
e same.- Your' is not on the rudder yet so I can't tell if it's worse tha
n mine.- I guess this applies to both questions, but the important thing
is the edge distance of the rivets in the skin.- Some times it might make
things look better to round an edge here and there as long as the pilot ho
les line up and the edge distance is correct.- =0A=0AThis is my first kit
so I'm not an expert, but that is my two cents.- =0A=0AHave fun building
=0A=0AChane Burk=0A801 50% done 150% to go=0A928-580-6339=0A=0A=0A=0A______
__________________________=0AFrom: Jake Crause <jakecrause@yahoo.com>=0ATo:
zenith701801-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 2:04:58
PM=0ASubject: Zenith701801-List: Rudder Skin Question=0A=0A=0AHey folks,=0A
=0AI've got two questions concerning-801 rear rudder skin.- Each questi
on has a photo to go with it.=0A=0AQuestion 1:- If you notice from the ph
oto, the edge of the very-forward bottom corner of the skin appears to be
uneven.- What I mean is that when the skin was cut out at the factory it
appears there was not enough material in the sheet it was cut from to make
the skin?- It looks like it-runs out of sheet at the bottom.- Is thi
s normal?- =0A=0AQuestion 2:- The bottom of-my rudder skin was cut by
the builder assist facility I took delivery of the tail kit from.- Looki
ng at photo two, the very-rear edge near the fold was not cut straight bu
t in an upward fashion.- The builder manual says cut along the pre-marked
line but since it was already cut I don't know where that line was laid ou
t.- Is this right?=0A=0AThanks guys. -I look forward to hearing from yo
======= =0A=0A=0A
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| From: | "Graeme@cole" <graeme@coletoolcentre.com.au> |
| Subject: | Brake for CH701 Matco |
I have a Ch701 with matco brakes very poor brakes.
I am about to order new wheels and brakes for my scratch built aircraft
keeping in mind price any suggestions for better brakes or have matco
improved.
Graemecns
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| Subject: | Rudder Skin Question |
Jake,
I don't have Yahoo mail and Phil's response was blank for me as well.
Do Not Archive
Bob Percival
Scratch 701/Vair - working on Elevator/Stab - after I recover from my
daughter's wedding
From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jake
Crause
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Rudder Skin Question
Thanks Chane. I checked the edge distance for the last rivet hole and
it's right at 9.3mm (see photo). It's not 10mm but it's more than the
2x the diameter which the AC 43.13 dictates. Interesting that you had a
similar problem. I may just trim one side to match the other just for
appearances sake.
Can anyone else see Phil's response to this question yesterday? It came
as a blank email in my inbox. I'm wondering if it's yahoo giving me
trouble. Thanks.
Jake
334-655-7680 (cell)
________________________________
From: akskydiver <akskydiver@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 11:15:39 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Rudder Skin Question
Hi Jake,
For question one, it looks like my rudder skin is the same. Your' is
not on the rudder yet so I can't tell if it's worse than mine. I guess
this applies to both questions, but the important thing is the edge
distance of the rivets in the skin. Some times it might make things
look better to round an edge here and there as long as the pilot holes
line up and the edge distance is correct.
This is my first kit so I'm not an expert, but that is my two cents.
Have fun building
Chane Burk
801 50% done 150% to go
928-580-6339
________________________________
From: Jake Crause <jakecrause@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 2:04:58 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Rudder Skin Question
Hey folks,
I've got two questions concerning 801 rear rudder skin. Each question
has a photo to go with it.
Question 1: If you notice from the photo, the edge of the very forward
bottom corner of the skin appears to be uneven. What I mean is that
when the skin was cut out at the factory it appears there was not enough
material in the sheet it was cut from to make the skin? It looks like
it runs out of sheet at the bottom. Is this normal?
Question 2: The bottom of my rudder skin was cut by the builder assist
facility I took delivery of the tail kit from. Looking at photo two,
the very rear edge near the fold was not cut straight but in an upward
fashion. The builder manual says cut along the pre-marked line but
since it was already cut I don't know where that line was laid out. Is
this right?
Thanks guys. I look forward to hearing from you.
Jake Crause
Pooler, GA
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08/16/09 06:09:00
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| Subject: | Re: Brake for CH701 Matco |
Matco brakes need the kit that provides better pressure in the masters.
These work very well.
Not hard to install either. Brakes have to be broken in. The first
weeks of taxi testing and static run ups
it was hard to get the brakes to hold, even with the "master kit
improvement" installed. Now that the
brakes are broken in, I can nearly drag the tires if I apply too much
pedal pressure.
The kit is a much lesser cost than new wheels and brakes, so I'd take
another look if I were you.
Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
Graeme@cole wrote:
> I have a Ch701 with matco brakes very poor brakes.
> I am about to order new wheels and brakes for my scratch built aircraft
> keeping in mind price any suggestions for better brakes or have
> matco improved.
>
> Graemecns
>
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| From: | "Graeme@cole" <graeme@coletoolcentre.com.au> |
| Subject: | Re: Brake for CH701 Matco |
Where is the Master kit improvement available from??
Graemecns
----- Original Message -----
From: "LarryMcFarland" <larry@macsmachine.com>
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Probable Spam] Zenith701801-List: Brake for CH701 Matco
> <larry@macsmachine.com>
>
> Matco brakes need the kit that provides better pressure in the masters.
> These work very well.
> Not hard to install either. Brakes have to be broken in. The first
> weeks of taxi testing and static run ups
> it was hard to get the brakes to hold, even with the "master kit
> improvement" installed. Now that the
> brakes are broken in, I can nearly drag the tires if I apply too much
> pedal pressure.
> The kit is a much lesser cost than new wheels and brakes, so I'd take
> another look if I were you.
>
> Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>
> Graeme@cole wrote:
>> I have a Ch701 with matco brakes very poor brakes.
>> I am about to order new wheels and brakes for my scratch built aircraft
>> keeping in mind price any suggestions for better brakes or have
>> matco improved.
>>
>> Graemecns
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Brake for CH701 Matco |
Graemecns.
It is available from Matco, they call it an intensifier kit. It works
great, but you do have to break in the brakes, they don't work very well for
the first few hours.
Mark S.
701/912ULS
48 hours
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graeme@cole" <graeme@coletoolcentre.com.au>
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Probable Spam] Zenith701801-List: Brake for CH701 Matco
> <graeme@coletoolcentre.com.au>
>
> Where is the Master kit improvement available from??
>
> Graemecns
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "LarryMcFarland" <larry@macsmachine.com>
> To: <zenith701801-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 10:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [Probable Spam] Zenith701801-List: Brake for CH701 Matco
>
>
>> <larry@macsmachine.com>
>>
>> Matco brakes need the kit that provides better pressure in the masters.
>> These work very well.
>> Not hard to install either. Brakes have to be broken in. The first
>> weeks of taxi testing and static run ups
>> it was hard to get the brakes to hold, even with the "master kit
>> improvement" installed. Now that the
>> brakes are broken in, I can nearly drag the tires if I apply too much
>> pedal pressure.
>> The kit is a much lesser cost than new wheels and brakes, so I'd take
>> another look if I were you.
>>
>> Larry McFarland 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
>>
>> Graeme@cole wrote:
>>> I have a Ch701 with matco brakes very poor brakes.
>>> I am about to order new wheels and brakes for my scratch built aircraft
>>> keeping in mind price any suggestions for better brakes or have
>>> matco improved.
>>>
>>> Graemecns
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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> 21:46:00
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