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5. 08:11 AM - Re: Dual Stick contraption (Tom Longo)
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7. 09:12 AM - Re: Dual Stick contraption (fritz)
8. 09:27 AM - Re: Dual Stick contraption (mike soucy)
9. 09:40 AM - Dual sticks (Joe Spencer)
10. 10:10 AM - Re: Dual sticks (Dirk Slabbert)
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| Subject: | Re: Dual Stick contraption |
I think you'll regret building this contraption for a control
stick----- recommend flying with the "Y" stick, than if you don't like,
change it afterwards. The contraption mentioned below will take up lot
of room in the cockpit.
The "Y" stick is great------ it is pretty much "out of the way". If
you want something to resemble "dual sticks" than do it right and build
the "2 stick option".
Fritz -------------do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: NYTerminat@aol.com
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Dual Sticks
Why would you want to do two sticks? Have you flown with the " Y"
STICK?
Bob Spudis
In a message dated 8/18/2009 10:38:11 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Joenan1934@aol.com writes:
Iam about ready to put dual sticks in my 701. You cut the Y stick
off at the connecting point, then weld a 24 inch tube from left to
right. Then weld two upright sticks on top of the horizonial tube. I
assume you put the elevator in zero position then weld the upright
sticks. Iam told that the upright sticks should be moved forward about
20 degrees before you weld them. Any suggestions? Joseph
joenan1934@aol.com
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| Subject: | Re: Dual Stick contraption |
When I built it I wasn't too impressed with the Y stick, but now I love
it! Last project (Kitfox) I had two sticks and had to crawl around
them while entering and exiting. I eventually took off the pasenger
side one so passengers could get in and out easier. The Y stick gives
you much more practical usable room and in my opinion, really works
well! Try it and you'll see.
----- Original Message -----
From: fritz
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Dual Stick contraption
I think you'll regret building this contraption for a control
stick----- recommend flying with the "Y" stick, than if you don't like,
change it afterwards. The contraption mentioned below will take up lot
of room in the cockpit.
The "Y" stick is great------ it is pretty much "out of the way". If
you want something to resemble "dual sticks" than do it right and build
the "2 stick option".
Fritz -------------do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: NYTerminat@aol.com
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Dual Sticks
Why would you want to do two sticks? Have you flown with the " Y"
STICK?
Bob Spudis
In a message dated 8/18/2009 10:38:11 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Joenan1934@aol.com writes:
Iam about ready to put dual sticks in my 701. You cut the Y stick
off at the connecting point, then weld a 24 inch tube from left to
right. Then weld two upright sticks on top of the horizonial tube. I
assume you put the elevator in zero position then weld the upright
sticks. Iam told that the upright sticks should be moved forward about
20 degrees before you weld them. Any suggestions? Joseph
joenan1934@aol.com
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| Subject: | Re: Dual Stick contraption |
I agree! I had my doubts about the Y stick, mostly aesthetics and being
located in the center. With over 100 hrs I like it a lot--wouldn't do it
any other way.
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: BokKat
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Dual Stick contraption
When I built it I wasn't too impressed with the Y stick, but now I
love it! Last project (Kitfox) I had two sticks and had to crawl
around them while entering and exiting. I eventually took off the
pasenger side one so passengers could get in and out easier. The Y
stick gives you much more practical usable room and in my opinion,
really works well! Try it and you'll see.
----- Original Message -----
From: fritz
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Dual Stick contraption
I think you'll regret building this contraption for a control
stick----- recommend flying with the "Y" stick, than if you don't like,
change it afterwards. The contraption mentioned below will take up lot
of room in the cockpit.
The "Y" stick is great------ it is pretty much "out of the way".
If you want something to resemble "dual sticks" than do it right and
build the "2 stick option".
Fritz -------------do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: NYTerminat@aol.com
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Dual Sticks
Why would you want to do two sticks? Have you flown with the " Y"
STICK?
Bob Spudis
In a message dated 8/18/2009 10:38:11 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Joenan1934@aol.com writes:
Iam about ready to put dual sticks in my 701. You cut the Y
stick off at the connecting point, then weld a 24 inch tube from left to
right. Then weld two upright sticks on top of the horizonial tube. I
assume you put the elevator in zero position then weld the upright
sticks. Iam told that the upright sticks should be moved forward about
20 degrees before you weld them. Any suggestions? Joseph
joenan1934@aol.com
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| Subject: | Re: Dual Stick contraption |
Well now, it's all about opinion. Personally I didn't like the center
stick for a couple of reasons, and I have flown with it. I couldn't
mount my GPS in the center where I wanted it because it hung down. The
passenger always had to hold his left leg in because the stick your hit
in in a right bank.
My dual sticks work great. It's all about how the stick is bent to
allow easy entry and exit from either side. My passenger stick removes
with two pins if you don't the passenger to have a stick either for
flying or in his/her way.
My sticks are arranged so that you fly in a natural position with your
wrist resting on your leg whereas the "Y" it high and you have to always
be holding your arm up.
I recently added a new picture on my site. www.skyhawg.com, look for
Dual Control Sticks. Larry N1345L
BokKat wrote:
> When I built it I wasn't too impressed with the Y stick, but now I love it!
Last project (Kitfox) I had two sticks and had to crawl around them while entering
and exiting. I eventually took off the pasenger side one so passengers
could get in and out easier. The Y stick gives you much more practical usable
room and in my opinion, really works well! Try it and you'll see.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: fritz
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 7:40 AM
> Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Dual Stick contraption
>
>
> I think you'll regret building this contraption for a control stick----- recommend
flying with the "Y" stick, than if you don't like, change it afterwards.
The contraption mentioned below will take up lot of room in the cockpit.
>
> The "Y" stick is great------ it is pretty much "out of the way". If you want
something to resemble "dual sticks" than do it right and build the "2 stick
option".
> Fritz -------------do not archive
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: NYTerminat@aol.com
> To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 10:57 PM
> Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Dual Sticks
>
>
> Why would you want to do two sticks? Have you flown with the " Y" STICK?
>
> Bob Spudis
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/18/2009 10:38:11 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Joenan1934@aol.com
writes:
> Iam about ready to put dual sticks in my 701. You cut the Y stick off
at the connecting point, then weld a 24 inch tube from left to right. Then weld
two upright sticks on top of the horizonial tube. I assume you put the elevator
in zero position then weld the upright sticks. Iam told that the upright sticks
should be moved forward about 20 degrees before you weld them. Any suggestions?
Joseph joenan1934@aol.com
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| Subject: | Dual Stick contraption |
My last plane was a Kolb MK III with a center stick and I later added the
duel stick kit. I actually liked flying the center stick more and the duel
stick made it very hard to get into and out of the plane. I know I will like
the center stick on the 701, my two cents worth.
Tom
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[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gordon
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 9:50 AM
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Dual Stick contraption
I agree! I had my doubts about the Y stick, mostly aesthetics and being
located in the center. With over 100 hrs I like it a lot--wouldn't do it any
other way.
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: BokKat
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Dual Stick contraption
When I built it I wasn't too impressed with the Y stick, but now I love
it! Last project (Kitfox) I had two sticks and had to crawl around them
while entering and exiting. I eventually took off the pasenger side one so
passengers could get in and out easier. The Y stick gives you much more
practical usable room and in my opinion, really works well! Try it and
you'll see.
----- Original Message -----
From: fritz
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Dual Stick contraption
I think you'll regret building this contraption for a control
stick----- recommend flying with the "Y" stick, than if you don't like,
change it afterwards. The contraption mentioned below will take up lot of
room in the cockpit.
The "Y" stick is great------ it is pretty much "out of the way". If
you want something to resemble "dual sticks" than do it right and build the
"2 stick option".
Fritz -------------do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: NYTerminat@aol.com
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Dual Sticks
Why would you want to do two sticks? Have you flown with the " Y"
STICK?
Bob Spudis
In a message dated 8/18/2009 10:38:11 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Joenan1934@aol.com writes:
Iam about ready to put dual sticks in my 701. You cut the Y stick
off at the connecting point, then weld a 24 inch tube from left to right.
Then weld two upright sticks on top of the horizonial tube. I assume you put
the elevator in zero position then weld the upright sticks. Iam told that
the upright sticks should be moved forward about 20 degrees before you weld
them. Any suggestions? Joseph joenan1934@aol.com
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| Subject: | Re: Dual Stick contraption |
One thing you way want to consider about this sort of dual stick -
You are adding a large amount of mass to the top of the stick. What may
happen is that the weight of the cross bar will cause the stick to list to
one side during flight if you remove your hand from it.
You may also find that the extra weight will make left turns seem harder
than right turns for the pilot, and vice-versa for the passenger.
John Marzulli
http://www.GenevieveMarzulli.org/
http://MarzulliPhoto.net/
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Tom Longo <tclongo@att.net> wrote:
> My last plane was a Kolb MK III with a center stick and I later added the
> duel stick kit. I actually liked flying the center stick more and the duel
> stick made it very hard to get into and out of the plane. I know I will like
> the center stick on the 701, my two cents worth.
> Tom
>
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> owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com]*On Behalf Of *Gordon
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2009 9:50 AM
> *To:* zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Zenith701801-List: Dual Stick contraption
>
> I agree! I had my doubts about the Y stick, mostly aesthetics and being
> located in the center. With over 100 hrs I like it a lot--wouldn't do it any
> other way.
> Gordon
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* BokKat <bobkat@btinet.net>
> *To:* zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2009 9:28 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Zenith701801-List: Dual Stick contraption
>
> When I built it I wasn't too impressed with the Y stick, but now I love
> it! Last project (Kitfox) I had two sticks and had to crawl around them
> while entering and exiting. I eventually took off the pasenger side one so
> passengers could get in and out easier. The Y stick gives you much more
> practical usable room and in my opinion, really works well! Try it and
> you'll see.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* fritz <klondike@megalink.net>
> *To:* zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2009 7:40 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Zenith701801-List: Dual Stick contraption
>
> I think you'll regret building this contraption for a control stick-----
> recommend flying with the "Y" stick, than if you don't like, change it
> afterwards. The contraption mentioned below will take up lot of room
> in the cockpit.
>
> The "Y" stick is great------ it is pretty much "out of the way". If you
> want something to resemble "dual sticks" than do it right and build the "2
> stick option".
> Fritz -------------do not archive
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* NYTerminat@aol.com
> *To:* zenith701801-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 18, 2009 10:57 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Zenith701801-List: Dual Sticks
>
> Why would you want to do two sticks? Have you flown with the " Y" STICK?
>
> Bob Spudis
>
>
> In a message dated 8/18/2009 10:38:11 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> Joenan1934@aol.com writes:
>
> Iam about ready to put dual sticks in my 701. You cut the Y stick off at
> the connecting point, then weld a 24 inch tube from left to right. Then weld
> two upright sticks on top of the horizonial tube. I assume you put the
> elevator in zero position then weld the upright sticks. Iam told that the
> upright sticks should be moved forward about 20 degrees before you weld
> them. Any suggestions? Joseph joenan1934@aol.com
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| Subject: | Re: Dual Stick contraption |
Larry--- "Y" stick or dual stick--- the discussion will go on
forever-------- it is important to point out that the "contraption dual
stick" as discribed is NOTHING like Chris' or your dual stick
installation.----- By the way, your stick looks nice. I think you'll find
most that have flown with the "Y" stick, love it.
Fritz-------do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry" <lrm@skyhawg.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Dual Stick contraption
>
> Well now, it's all about opinion. Personally I didn't like the center
> stick for a couple of reasons, and I have flown with it. I couldn't mount
> my GPS in the center where I wanted it because it hung down. The
> passenger always had to hold his left leg in because the stick your hit in
> in a right bank.
> My dual sticks work great. It's all about how the stick is bent to allow
> easy entry and exit from either side. My passenger stick removes with two
> pins if you don't the passenger to have a stick either for flying or in
> his/her way.
> My sticks are arranged so that you fly in a natural position with your
> wrist resting on your leg whereas the "Y" it high and you have to always
> be holding your arm up.
> I recently added a new picture on my site. www.skyhawg.com, look for Dual
> Control Sticks. Larry N1345L
>
> BokKat wrote:
>> When I built it I wasn't too impressed with the Y stick, but now I love
>> it! Last project (Kitfox) I had two sticks and had to crawl around them
>> while entering and exiting. I eventually took off the pasenger side one
>> so passengers could get in and out easier. The Y stick gives you much
>> more practical usable room and in my opinion, really works well! Try it
>> and you'll see. ----- Original Message -----
>> From: fritz To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August
>> 19, 2009 7:40 AM
>> Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Dual Stick contraption
>>
>>
>> I think you'll regret building this contraption for a control
>> stick----- recommend flying with the "Y" stick, than if you don't like,
>> change it afterwards. The contraption mentioned below will take up lot
>> of room in the cockpit.
>>
>> The "Y" stick is great------ it is pretty much "out of the way". If
>> you want something to resemble "dual sticks" than do it right and build
>> the "2 stick option".
>> Fritz -------------do not archive
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: NYTerminat@aol.com To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com Sent:
>> Tuesday, August 18, 2009 10:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Dual Sticks
>>
>>
>> Why would you want to do two sticks? Have you flown with the " Y"
>> STICK?
>>
>> Bob Spudis
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 8/18/2009 10:38:11 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> Joenan1934@aol.com writes:
>> Iam about ready to put dual sticks in my 701. You cut the Y stick
>> off at the connecting point, then weld a 24 inch tube from left to right.
>> Then weld two upright sticks on top of the horizonial tube. I assume you
>> put the elevator in zero position then weld the upright sticks. Iam told
>> that the upright sticks should be moved forward about 20 degrees before
>> you weld them. Any suggestions? Joseph joenan1934@aol.com
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| Subject: | Re: Dual Stick contraption |
Joeseph,
I would listen to these guys even Fritz
--- On Wed, 8/19/09, John Marzulli <john.marzulli@gmail.com> wrote:
From: John Marzulli <john.marzulli@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Dual Stick contraption
One thing you way want to consider about this sort of dual stick -
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You are adding a large amount of mass to the top of the stick. What may hap
pen is that the weight of the cross bar will cause the stick to list to one
side during flight if you remove your hand from it.
-
You may also find that the extra weight will make left turns seem harder th
an right turns for the pilot, and vice-versa for the passenger.
-
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John Marzulli
http://www.GenevieveMarzulli.org/
http://MarzulliPhoto.net/
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Tom Longo <tclongo@att.net> wrote:
My last plane was a Kolb MK III with a center stick and I later added the d
uel stick kit. I actually liked flying the center stick more and the duel s
tick made it very hard to get into and out of the plane. I know I will like
the center stick on the 701, my two cents worth.
Tom
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01-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Gordon
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Dual Stick contraption
I agree! I had my doubts about the-Y stick, mostly aesthetics and being l
ocated in the center. With over 100 hrs I like it a lot--wouldn't do it any
other way.
Gordon
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From: BokKat
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Dual Stick contraption
When I built it I wasn't too impressed with the Y stick, but now I love it!
-- Last project (Kitfox) I had two sticks and had to crawl around them
while entering and exiting.--I eventually took off the pasenger side on
e so passengers could get in and out easier.- The Y stick gives you much
more practical usable room and in my opinion, really works well!-- Try
it and you'll see.- -
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From: fritz
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Dual Stick contraption
I think you'll regret building this contraption- for a control stick-----
recommend flying with the "Y" stick, than if you don't like, change it aft
erwards.- The contraption mentioned below will take up- lot of room in
-the cockpit.
-
The "Y" stick is great------ it is pretty much "out of the way".-- If y
ou want something to resemble "dual sticks" than do it right and build the
"2 stick option".
Fritz -------------do not archive
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From: NYTerminat@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: Dual Sticks
Why would you want to do two sticks? Have you flown with the "-Y" -STIC
K?
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Bob Spudis
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In a message dated 8/18/2009 10:38:11 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Joenan193
4@aol.com writes:
Iam about ready to put dual sticks in my 701.- You cut the Y stick off at
the connecting point, then weld a 24 inch tube from left to right. Then we
ld two upright sticks on top of the horizonial tube. I assume you put the e
levator in zero position then weld the upright sticks. Iam told that the up
right sticks should be moved forward about 20 degrees before you weld them.
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>Iam about ready to put dual sticks in my 701. You cut the Y stick off
at
>the connecting point, then weld a 24 inch tube from left to right. Then
weld
> two upright sticks on top of the horizonial tube. I assume you put the
>elevator in zero position then weld the upright sticks. Iam told that
the
>upright sticks should be moved forward about 20 degrees before you
weld them.
The thing that bothers me about this arrangement, if I understand it
correctly(and I haven't seen a drawing) is that the grip is offset from
the pivot...so when moving it left to right you get a bunch of vertical
travel too. Maybe in practice it isn't noticeable, but I don't like the
idea of it...kinda weird seeming, like the rest of the plane. Certainly
not for the purists. I'm sticking with the Y
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Joe, have a look at this one, nothing wrong with the Y.
This is just preference, I'm a south paw, grew up on this config.
Thought to make a slow flying plane fit my habits.
All the best,
Dirk in Africa
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From: Joe Spencer
To: Zenith701801-List@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 6:34 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Dual sticks
>Iam about ready to put dual sticks in my 701. You cut the Y stick
off at
>the connecting point, then weld a 24 inch tube from left to right.
Then weld
> two upright sticks on top of the horizonial tube. I assume you put
the
>elevator in zero position then weld the upright sticks. Iam told
that the
>upright sticks should be moved forward about 20 degrees before you
weld them.
The thing that bothers me about this arrangement, if I understand it
correctly(and I haven't seen a drawing) is that the grip is offset from
the pivot...so when moving it left to right you get a bunch of vertical
travel too. Maybe in practice it isn't noticeable, but I don't like the
idea of it...kinda weird seeming, like the rest of the plane. Certainly
not for the purists. I'm sticking with the Y
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| Subject: | Re: My definition of the "Bunny Hop" |
Too late for me :-(
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Saludos
Gary Gower
Flying from Chapala, Mexico (5,029 ft ASL)
701 912S-- 255 hrs- (all landings and take offs with 15=BA flaps)
--- On Tue, 8/11/09, Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com> wrote:
From: Craig Payne <craig@craigandjean.com>
Subject: RE: Zenith701801-List: Re: My definition of the "Bunny Hop"
com>
Michael Heintz's advice: don't use the flaps at all for the first 50 hours.
-- Craig
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From: owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-zenith701801-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Hoffman
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 5:10 AM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Re: My definition of the "Bunny Hop"
<mhoffman9@tampabay.rr.com>
A lot of very good info here. How about a little first flight advice?
First landing, flaps or no flaps.
First landing speed. (I know I want to be on the fast side).
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=257105#257105
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: My definition of the "Bunny Hop" |
VGs, no slats make the 701 much easier to land!
--------
Ron Lee
Tucson, Arizona
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=258728#258728
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| Subject: | Rudder Spacer - The search for a straight edge |
Hey folks,=0A=0A99% of this list is probably further along than I am in the
build but I just wanted to pass along a tip to the other 1%.- The rudder
of my 801 has been slow going and hit a few speed bumps along the way.-
Some self inflicted, some as a result of the curve balls life can throw at
you.- Anyway, as I drew closer to skinning the rudder I got to thinking a
bout what I was going to use for straight edges to jig the rudder skeleton
in place as you prep for the skin.- The plans call for the use of 2x4s wi
th a 32mm spacer under the board at the outer portion of the-bottom rib.
- This keeps the skeleton true and square.- Having worked with lumber a
bit I really didn't like the idea of using a 2x4 because you can never fin
d a truly straight perfectly dimensioned board, let alone two.- So I head
ed down to the local home improvement store to take a look at what I could
find.- I looked at engineered lumber, I looked at gutter material, I look
ed at aluminum and
steel square tubing, I looked at trim material.- Everything was either w
arped or too flimsy.- I really didn't want to impart a wave into the rudd
er.- So, I started calling around to some steel outlets looking for some
heavy wall steel tubing.- No real luck because it was either not straight
or the guy didn't want to sell it in small quantities.- I knew if I kept
scrounging I'd find something affordable and straight, but I was losing pa
tience.- =0A=0AAnyway, what I ended up with was two cheap 6' aluminum-l
evels from Harbor Freight.- They were about 10 bucks each and, although t
hey are cheap levels, they were perfectly straight and ridgid.- No flex a
nd no curve.- The addes bonus is I have two extra tools around the shop.
--I've added a picture-for your veiwing pleasure.- If you look clos
ley you will see some of-the speed bumps I was talking about ealier where
the ribs meet the spar.-=0A=0AJake Crause=0APooler, GA-- =0A=0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Rudder Spacer - The search for a straight edge |
Nice solution!
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Jake Crause <jakecrause@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hey folks,
>
> 99% of this list is probably further along than I am in the build but I
> just wanted to pass along a tip to the other 1%. The rudder of my 801 has
> been slow going and hit a few speed bumps along the way. Some self
> inflicted, some as a result of the curve balls life can throw at you.
> Anyway, as I drew closer to skinning the rudder I got to thinking about what
> I was going to use for straight edges to jig the rudder skeleton in place as
> you prep for the skin. The plans call for the use of 2x4s with a 32mm
> spacer under the board at the outer portion of the bottom rib. This keeps
> the skeleton true and square. Having worked with lumber a bit I really
> didn't like the idea of using a 2x4 because you can never find a truly
> straight perfectly dimensioned board, let alone two. So I headed down to
> the local home improvement store to take a look at what I could find. I
> looked at engineered lumber, I looked at gutter material, I looked at
> aluminum and steel square tubing, I looked at trim material. Everything was
> either warped or too flimsy. I really didn't want to impart a wave into the
> rudder. So, I started calling around to some steel outlets looking for some
> heavy wall steel tubing. No real luck because it was either not straight or
> the guy didn't want to sell it in small quantities. I knew if I kept
> scrounging I'd find something affordable and straight, but I was losing
> patience.
>
> Anyway, what I ended up with was two cheap 6' aluminum levels from Harbor
> Freight. They were about 10 bucks each and, although they are cheap levels,
> they were perfectly straight and ridgid. No flex and no curve. The addes
> bonus is I have two extra tools around the shop. I've added a picture for
> your veiwing pleasure. If you look closley you will see some of the speed
> bumps I was talking about ealier where the ribs meet the spar.
>
> Jake Crause
> Pooler, GA
>
>
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