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1. 01:46 AM - Re: correction to Larry's post (Ken Arnold)
2. 10:37 AM - correction to Larry's post (Joe Spencer)
3. 12:44 PM - Re: correction to Larry's post (Gordon)
4. 01:10 PM - Re: correction to Larry's post (Ken Arnold)
5. 02:08 PM - correction to Larry's post (Joe Spencer)
6. 03:24 PM - New Forum (George Race)
7. 07:10 PM - Re: A good reason to own a 701 (Benjamin Q)
8. 07:31 PM - Re: correction to Larry's post (Larry)
9. 10:16 PM - Re: New Forum (JohnDRead@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: correction to Larry's post |
Listers,
Larry has a very well designed dual stick installation. I have looked at
his web site many times for inspiration and engineering. He also is always
very helpful to those of us ignorant or inexperienced.
I suggest you take a look at his web site and peruse the various links. His
701 is awesome.
Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry" <lrm@skyhawg.com>
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: correction to Larry's post
>
> I didn't indicate you wrote anything. It was meant to be instructions
> using "you" meaning the person doing the work, not any one individual
> person. It was to instruct how one could have both types of sticks with
> out much effort to help them decide which they like the most.
>
> Those who don't like the dual sticks don't like them because they make
> their sticks straight and it is very difficult to get in and out if one
> doesn't put a large curve or "C" in them. That's the big secret. It allows
> one to get their entry foot past the stick without much effort.
> The vertical travel is not even noticeable, not an issue.
>
> The dual stick system in my plane wasn't my idea. I didn't invent it. It
> is a very well proven system in lots of gyroplanes that has been in use
> and flying for many years, mainly RAFs. I just copied it. Every one I ever
> flew had the dual stick arrangement it them. They are extremely efficient
> and very comfortable to use. You have a natural rest for which ever hand
> you wish to use and change up at any time. The first "Y" I ever flew was
> in a 701, and I did not like it. It wears your arm out by having to hold
> it up in an unnatural position for extended periods of time and you are
> forced to fly only right handed for the pilot or left handed for the
> co-pilot. The only positive logic I can think of for the "Y" is that it
> is easier to build and somewhat lighter. The bottom line is that the dual
> system offers much more flexibility and ease of use than the "Y" does.
>
> If you took offense, I meant none. We don't need to be picking peoples
> words apart, none of us write perfectly, especially me. If we start
> picking posts apart, people will just quit posting.
>
> Take care, Larry N1345L
>
> Joe Spencer wrote:
>> Don't cut the "Y" off. If you can weld then it is not difficult to
>> duplicate the bottom part and make a complete dual system. That way you
>> have both. All I have to do to replace the duals with the "Y" is remove
>> two bolts and unplug the wiring. Then you can switch back and forth. Let
>> us know which you like best.
>> Remember when building the sticks, to put a large "C" in them (see my
>> pictures). If you make straight sticks then you will have difficultly
>> getting in and out. With the "C" it real easy to get in and out.
>>
>> Take care, Larry N1345L
>>
>> Joe Spencer wrote:
>>>> Iam about ready to put dual sticks in my 701. You cut the Y stick off
>>>> at the connecting point, then weld a 24 inch tube from left to right.
>>>> Then weld
>>
>>>> two upright sticks on top of the horizonial tube. I assume you put the
>>>> elevator in zero position then weld the upright sticks. Iam told that
>>>> the upright sticks should be moved forward about 20 degrees before you
>>>> weld them.
>>> The thing that bothers me about this arrangement, if I understand it
>>> correctly(and
>> I haven't seen a drawing) is that the grip is offset from the pivot...so
>> when moving it left to right you get a bunch of vertical travel too.
>> Maybe in
>> practice it isn't noticeable, but I don't like the idea of it...kinda
>> weird seeming,
>> like the rest of the plane. Certainly not for the purists. I'm sticking
>> with the Y
>>
>> Larry
>> I didn't write what you indicated I did...I wrote the last paragraph; no
>> way am I about ready to put dual sticks in my 701. Please be more careful
>> about what you indicate that others said...well, in my case anyway.
>> Thanks
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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>
>
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| Subject: | correction to Larry's post |
I beg your pardon Larry, but if you look at your post you will see "Joe
Spencer wrote:" right above what I didn't write...obviously indicating
that I wrote it. That's what I object to. Put "Joe Spencer wrote:" above
exactly what I wrote and you won't hear a peep out of me.I don't give a
damn about all that other business about what you do to your plane and
all. Just don't quote me in error. Read your post man...
Joe
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| Subject: | Re: correction to Larry's post |
starting to sound like the 601 list
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Spencer
To: Zenith701801-List@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 1:31 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: correction to Larry's post
I beg your pardon Larry, but if you look at your post you will see
"Joe Spencer wrote:" right above what I didn't write...obviously
indicating that I wrote it. That's what I object to. Put "Joe Spencer
wrote:" above exactly what I wrote and you won't hear a peep out of me.I
don't give a damn about all that other business about what you do to
your plane and all. Just don't quote me in error. Read your post man...
Joe
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| Subject: | Re: correction to Larry's post |
sure is. May be time to meet behind the wood shed for a little chat.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Gordon
To: zenith701801-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: Zenith701801-List: correction to Larry's post
starting to sound like the 601 list
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Spencer
To: Zenith701801-List@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 1:31 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: correction to Larry's post
I beg your pardon Larry, but if you look at your post you will see
"Joe Spencer wrote:" right above what I didn't write...obviously
indicating that I wrote it. That's what I object to. Put "Joe Spencer
wrote:" above exactly what I wrote and you won't hear a peep out of me.I
don't give a damn about all that other business about what you do to
your plane and all. Just don't quote me in error. Read your post man...
Joe
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| Subject: | correction to Larry's post |
>sure is. May be time to meet behind the wood shed for a little chat.
Yeah, suits me. I have been there before...sometimes it worked out,
sometimes it didn't.
The thing that burned me was when Larry defended misquoting fellow
listers. That's about as fundamentally wrong as it gets...I would never
do that. And if I did and was called on it I would respond something
like "whoops, sorry for that. it was an oversight and won't happen
again". Not defend my screwup and accuse the violated one of nit picking
the posts or whatever it was Larry said. If there had been a response
something like that, it would have been the end of it. I carefully
review everything I post, in an effort to not make that kind of mistake,
and cause unintended heartburn for others. See, I am real careful about
what I put on here and I don't want anybody doing my posts for me, or
saying I said something I didn't...
It's just common sense and plain ol good manners
Now back to our regularly scheduled programming
Joe Spencer
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WANTED - QUESTIONS and ANSWERS
Want to take you discussions to a different level?
Check out my new style Forum located at:
www.mykitairplane.com/forum
George
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: A good reason to own a 701 |
Just a few years ago at my old airport you could keep a smaller plane in the big
hanger for $25 per month. They also sold 100LL practically at cost, so we were
paying $2 a gallon while everyone else around us was paying at least $4.
I'm not sure how they made their money.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259149#259149
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| Subject: | Re: correction to Larry's post |
Joe, I already told you I meant no offense. Why didn't you just accept
that and let it go. I did not put the "Joe Spencer wrote" on the post
that I know of. Have no idea how it got there, I just did a reply to
the last post made on the subject. And, so what? What difference did
it make if I did accidentally get it there anyway? Why is there always
someone like you that get bent out of shape over nothing? It's not
necessary, serves no purpose and is counter to what this list is all about.
Sorry guys, but this Joe guy seems to have an attitude problem that just
struck me wrong. And there will be no more comments from me about it.
Take care, Larry
Joe Spencer wrote:
> I beg your pardon Larry, but if you look at your post you will see "Joe Spencer
wrote:" right above what I didn't write...obviously indicating that I wrote
it. That's what I object to. Put "Joe Spencer wrote:" above exactly what I wrote
and you won't hear a peep out of me.I don't give a damn about all that other
business about what you do to your plane and all. Just don't quote me in error.
Read your post man...
>
> Joe
>
>
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>
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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Hi George;
Not my cup of tea so to speak. It looks to much like a
blog. Please remove me from the distribution.
John Read
CH701 - Elbert CO - Jabiru 3300
Phone: 303-648-3261
Fax: 303-648-3262
Cell: 719-494-4567
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