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1. 05:12 AM - Re: A65 cont (Carl)
2. 05:13 AM - Re: A65 cont (Mark Sherman)
3. 05:43 AM - Re: A65 cont (Gordon)
4. 09:38 AM - 701 folding wing retrofit (ejessee)
5. 10:14 AM - Re: 701 folding wing retrofit (Ken Arnold)
6. 10:17 AM - Re: 701 folding wing retrofit (Ken Ryan)
7. 11:09 AM - Dual Sticks (Larry)
8. 01:31 PM - Re: 701 folding wing retrofit (Bob Collins)
9. 03:12 PM - Re: 701 folding wing retrofit (Ken Ryan)
10. 06:14 PM - Re: A65 cont (kmccune)
11. 06:24 PM - Re: Re: A65 cont (John Marzulli)
12. 07:14 PM - Weight and balance 701 (ruruny@aol.com)
13. 07:21 PM - Joe Spencer Wrote (Larry)
14. 07:48 PM - Re: Joe Spencer Wrote (John Bolding)
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Mike.
I've seen one and read about a couple more. Generally I was left with the
idea that the engine is a bit heavy for the power and does not exploit all
the potential performance of the 701. Have no personal experience.
Carl
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From: <mksoucy@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 7:31 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: A65 cont
> <mksoucy@yahoo.com>
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> Is anyone flying or been around a 701 powered by a A 65 cont.
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
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> Sent from my iPod
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Mike
A 701 in Placerville, CA has one. He says he wouldn't do it again. To
heavy for the power, but it was cheep to buy and rebuild. His son is an
A&P.
Mark S.
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From: <mksoucy@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 4:31 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: A65 cont
> <mksoucy@yahoo.com>
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> Is anyone flying or been around a 701 powered by a A 65 cont.
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPod
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Flew one that was at our local field to get a feel for the plane before I
launched my freshly built 701 / 912ULS. It was the first one I ever flew and
I had a CFI with me. The two of us and 5 gal. of fuel had us over gross
(950). The performance was marginal at best and dreadful if you compare it
to a 701SP with 100 hp Rotax and it had to be hand propped. Not a combo I
would recommend.
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: <mksoucy@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 7:31 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: A65 cont
> y@yahoo.com>
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> Is anyone flying or been around a 701 powered by a A 65 cont.
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
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> Sent from my iPod
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| Subject: | 701 folding wing retrofit |
Hello all,
I am considering letting my hangar go. I know it is a shame to park any airplane
outside, but sometimes you have to do what you can to keep the dream alive.
I am paying a huge amount of money for a hangar and I don't have the option
of landing in my yard. If anyone knows of a club etc. in the North Raleigh area
with shed space, please let me know. I am currently at KLHZ.
That said, how involved is the folding wing retrofit. I ask because I would like
to trailer the plane home when I have maintenance work to do or when a hurricane
is headed for NC. Do the struts need to be replaced to retrofit? Is there
any sheet metal work? Anyone ever done the retrofit?
I have seen a couple of pictures here on the list. I can't discern the answers
to my questions by looking at them.
Thanks for your help.
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Ernest Jessee
N4931M
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| Subject: | Re: 701 folding wing retrofit |
Ernest,
Suggest you call Zenith at Mexico. I was dissuaded from the folding wing
option by Zenith. Reasons:
- adds weight
- regular wings can be removed in about 30 minutes
- adds cost
- enclosed trailer barely wide enough to fit
Good luck,
Ken
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "ejessee" <eejessee@us.ibm.com>
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:38 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: 701 folding wing retrofit
>
> Hello all,
> I am considering letting my hangar go. I know it is a shame to park any
> airplane outside, but sometimes you have to do what you can to keep the
> dream alive. I am paying a huge amount of money for a hangar and I don't
> have the option of landing in my yard. If anyone knows of a club etc. in
> the North Raleigh area with shed space, please let me know. I am
> currently at KLHZ.
>
> That said, how involved is the folding wing retrofit. I ask because I
> would like to trailer the plane home when I have maintenance work to do or
> when a hurricane is headed for NC. Do the struts need to be replaced to
> retrofit? Is there any sheet metal work? Anyone ever done the retrofit?
>
>
> I have seen a couple of pictures here on the list. I can't discern the
> answers to my questions by looking at them.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> --------
> Ernest Jessee
> N4931M
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259301#259301
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>
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| Subject: | Re: 701 folding wing retrofit |
For what it's worth, here in the harsh Alaskan climate, where there are
thousands and thousands of airplanes, nearly all of them are parked outside
all year round. Rain, snow, sleet, wind, near constant sun in the summer,
20-40 below in the winter ... you name it. Most people up here never even
think about hangaring their plane.
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 8:38 AM, ejessee <eejessee@us.ibm.com> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
> I am considering letting my hangar go. I know it is a shame to park any
> airplane outside, but sometimes you have to do what you can to keep the
> dream alive. I am paying a huge amount of money for a hangar and I don't
> have the option of landing in my yard. If anyone knows of a club etc. in
> the North Raleigh area with shed space, please let me know. I am currently
> at KLHZ.
>
> That said, how involved is the folding wing retrofit. I ask because I
> would like to trailer the plane home when I have maintenance work to do or
> when a hurricane is headed for NC. Do the struts need to be replaced to
> retrofit? Is there any sheet metal work? Anyone ever done the retrofit?
>
>
> I have seen a couple of pictures here on the list. I can't discern the
> answers to my questions by looking at them.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> --------
> Ernest Jessee
> N4931M
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259301#259301
>
>
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To the guy who originally posted the following:
"Iam about ready to put dual sticks in my 701. You cut the Y stick off
at the connecting point, then weld a 24 inch tube from left to right.
Then weld two upright sticks on top of the horizonial tube. I assume you
put the elevator in zero position then weld the upright sticks. Iam
told that the upright sticks should be moved forward about 20 degrees
before you weld them."
During that crap with Joe Spencer I realized that no one really answered
you questions. So I will give you my opinion.
First use bent sticks not straight ones. Straight sticks make it very
difficult to get in and out. The bend should be in the shape of a "C"
with a straight tail on the top end to allow for the grips.
Put your elevator in the maximum down position with the stick in the as
far as you can reach position. Mine ended up directly under the
instrument panel. You will never use it that far anyway unless you are
dive bombing. Weld it there. You have cables to make fine adjustments.
The other advantage in having it so forward is that it really makes it
easy to get in and out and it's out of the way when not in use.
Don't worry about vertical movement, it is a non issue and actually is
an advantage because you have a little less horizontal movement. It
does not interfere with the other guy. And if you pin the co-pilot side
that's another advantage over the "Y".
I also suggest you try and fabricate an entire new setup rather than
cutting up your "Y". Then you can try both and make up your own mind.
Or sell the "Y" to one of the die hard purist.
I have quite a few hours with this dual stick arrangement and wouldn't
consider a "Y". I've flown with the "Y" also and there is no comparison
to the dual for convenience and ease of use.
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| Subject: | Re: 701 folding wing retrofit |
Ken,
Does this include fabric-covered planes such as Cubs? If so, I guess
that they just replace the covering more often.
Bob Collins
Sunnyvale CA USA
Ken Ryan wrote:
> For what it's worth, here in the harsh Alaskan climate, where there
> are thousands and thousands of airplanes, nearly all of them are
> parked outside all year round. Rain, snow, sleet, wind, near constant
> sun in the summer, 20-40 below in the winter ... you name it. Most
> people up here never even think about hangaring their plane.
>
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| Subject: | Re: 701 folding wing retrofit |
The Cub is the most popular plane up here. Many of those who can't afford a
PA-18 have Pacers, Tri-pacers, PA-12s and even Colts. The rag and tube
Pipers are everywhere, and 99% of of them sit outside all of the time. I
can't tell you exactly how long the modern fabrics last, but a good fabric
job definitely lasts a long time. My guess would be 20-30 years would be
quite common.
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Bob Collins <bobcollins42@gmail.com>wrote:
> bobcollins42@gmail.com>
>
> Ken,
> Does this include fabric-covered planes such as Cubs? If so, I guess that
> they just replace the covering more often.
>
> Bob Collins
> Sunnyvale CA USA
>
>
> Ken Ryan wrote:
>
>> For what it's worth, here in the harsh Alaskan climate, where there are
>> thousands and thousands of airplanes, nearly all of them are parked outside
>> all year round. Rain, snow, sleet, wind, near constant sun in the summer,
>> 20-40 below in the winter ... you name it. Most people up here never even
>> think about hangaring their plane.
>>
>>
>
>
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So:
950-30(gas)-185(slightly,large FAA Guy)- 185 (another slightly large FAA guy) =
550 empty with oil? And this from an engine that pulls around a J3, that's interesting,
I'm not criticizing here just amazed.
Kevin
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History is a great teacher if you take time to study it.
Steve Bennett
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This makes me wonder about the differences between a J-3 and the 701.
They have different airfoils, builds, ect... but both were designed around
similar HP.
Does anyone know what the coeffiecient of drag is for the J-3 and for the
701?
And between that what the difference in induced drag is? I would expect the
wing loadings to be pretty similar.
John Marzulli
http://www.GenevieveMarzulli.org/
http://MarzulliPhoto.net/
http://701Builder.blogspot.com/
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 6:13 PM, kmccune <kmccune@somtel.net> wrote:
>
> So:
> 950-30(gas)-185(slightly,large FAA Guy)- 185 (another slightly large FAA
> guy) = 550 empty with oil? And this from an engine that pulls around a J3,
> that's interesting, I'm not criticizing here just amazed.
>
> Kevin
>
> --------
> History is a great teacher if you take time to study it.
>
> Steve Bennett
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=259395#259395
>
>
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| Subject: | Weight and balance 701 |
A friend and I are working on a spreadsheet for W&B for my 701. It is attached
for your enjoyment
Zenith, on their weight and balance form says the baggage area arm is 1050mm? and
the weight is 40 lbs.
Does this include the extended baggage area? My baggage area is separated by a
cargo net.
Do I measure to the center of each area?
Just finished my oil access panel on the cowl completing construction.
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| Subject: | Joe Spencer Wrote |
I know I said I wouldn't say any thing else, but I need to set the
record straight. I did a little research to find out how that "Joe
Spencer Wrote" got on my e-mail. And here is how it happened.
On 8/18/2009 at 11:34am Joe Spencer wrote the e-mail below at the bottom
of the page. I tried to attach a copy of it but it was rejected as an
unapproved attachment, twice.
In his e-mail the first paragraph was quoted from a previous lister and
the second paragraph are Joe's words. I used the reply function to add
my thoughts. I use Thunderbird. When the reply function is used
Thunderbird AUTOMATICALLY adds the name of the sender of the previous
e-mail was with the words "Sender Wrote" at the beginning of what is
being responded too. In that case it was "Joe Spencer Wrote". It does it
every time regardless of who the previous sender was. I performed
several tests. Unfortunately, it didn't recognize that the first part
of Joe's e-mail was actually a quote from another sender and assumed it
was all from Joe. And that's how it happened.
Joe, I don't understand why you let it bother you so bad and raised such
a stink about it. There was actually nothing wrong with what you were
accidentally quoted on. In fact the guy had so good questions that
really haven't been answer yet. It wasn't like you were quoted on saying
you were for "Obama Health Care" or something similar. Now that would
have pissed me off. You jumped to the conclusion I purposely and
deliberately mis-quoted you. You could not have been wronger. Then you
said things to and about me you really shouldn't have. Basically in so
many words you called me a lier and stupid. You really took the low
road. You should be ashamed, you don't know me. If you did you would
know I would never do anything like that. I feel like you owe me an
apology.
I've been posting on this list for several years attempting to share my
experience and knowledge. Those of you who know me know I never say
anything negative or put down any one's ideas or thoughts. I certainly
have not called people lairs or stupid. I prefer to make friends not
enemies. It's a shame we have to always be so careful what we write
because some people like Joe get bent out of shape for the simplest
reasons. I really try to chose my words very carefully. I read and
re-read my posts before I send them. I only re-read what I write. We
all need to realize that none of us are professional word smiths and we
do screw up and things just don't come out like you want them to. And,
if it hits you wrong, just let it pass and move on. So Joe, like I said
before even though I didn't intentionally quote you, I meant no offense
and if you can't accept that, then there is nothing else I can say to
you. I do believe it time for both of us to let it rest.
Take care, Larry N1345L
COPY OF JOE'S E-MAIL OF 08/18/2009
"Iam about ready to put dual sticks in my 701. You cut the Y stick off
at the connecting point, then weld a 24 inch tube from left to right.
Then weld two upright sticks on top of the horizonial tube. I assume you
put the elevator in zero position then weld the upright sticks. Iam
told that the upright sticks should be moved forward about 20 degrees
before you weld them."
The thing that bothers me about this arrangement, if I understand it
correctly(and I haven't seen a drawing) is that the grip is offset from
the pivot...so when moving it left to right you get a bunch of vertical
travel too. Maybe in practice it isn't noticeable, but I don't like the
idea of it...kinda weird seeming, like the rest of the plane. Certainly
not for the purists. I'm sticking with the Y
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
08/19/09 06:03:00
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| Subject: | Re: Joe Spencer Wrote |
The reason Joe got p****d is that HE chooses his words carefully TOO, and
because you were negligent in deleting extraneous stuff from the post, he
got quoted as saying stuff he didn't agree with , much less SAY. I would
have said the same thing, pay attention and you're the one that needs to
apologize.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry" <lrm@skyhawg.com>
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 9:20 PM
Subject: Zenith701801-List: Joe Spencer Wrote
I really try to chose my words very carefully. I read and
> re-read my posts before I send them. I only re-read what I write.> Take
> care, Larry N1345L
>
> >
>
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